The bourgeoisie define labor unions; the proletariat get blamed for their corruption

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I know that there has been talk of Marxism lately, beloved forum members, I guess in regards to how that particular political philosophy fits in with the Ron Paul revolution. For all the young Marxists out there, I have a question:

People tend to think that Unions were created as institutions of the proletariat when, because they own the means of production, the bourgeoisie stepped in to to appease the movement. It is the appeasement that establishes the Union, not the protests of the proletariat; yet, the proletariat get blamed for its corruption.

Please comment.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I know that there has been talk of Marxism lately, beloved forum members, I guess in regards to how that particular political philosophy fits in with the Ron Paul revolution. For all the young Marxists out there, I have a question:

People tend to think that Unions were created as institutions of the proletariat when, because they own the means of production, the bourgeoisie stepped in to to appease the movement. It is the appeasement that establishes the Union, not the protests of the proletariat; yet, the proletariat get blamed for its corruption.

Please comment.

"Democracy is the road to socialism." -- Karl Marx

"Socialism in America will come through the ballot box."
by: Gus Hall
[Arvo Gustav Halberg ] (1910-2000) leader of the Communist Party USA and its four-time U.S. presidential candidate

Source: in an interview with the Cleveland Plain-Dealer (1996)



"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -- Groucho Marx

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Harpo was funnier.

"Democracy is the road to socialism." -- Karl Marx

"Socialism in America will come through the ballot box."
by: Gus Hall
[Arvo Gustav Halberg ] (1910-2000) leader of the Communist Party USA and its four-time U.S. presidential candidate

Source: in an interview with the Cleveland Plain-Dealer (1996)



"Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." -- Groucho Marx

I ask for a young Marxist and I get Truth Warrior. You failed to address the question. The structure of the Union was not designed by the proletariet because they didn't own the means of production. The structure of the Union was derived from the U.S. government stepping in and appeasing the movement. Yet, people blame Union corruption on the proletariet.

Please try to comment again, young Groucho Marxist.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I ask for a young Marxist and I get Truth Warrior. You failed to address the question. The structure of the Union was not designed by the proletariet because they didn't own the means of production. The structure of the Union was derived from the U.S. government stepping in and appeasing the movement. Yet, people blame Union corruption on the proletariet.

Please try to comment again, young Groucho Marxist.

Just responding to "please comment", and holding a place open for YOUR young Marxists. The question was not addressed to me, as you said.

"POLITICS is the OTHER opiate of the masses." -- Groucho Marx

(OK, I just made that one up, with apologies to both Karl and Groucho)

 

[angelatc]

I ask for a young Marxist and I get Truth Warrior. You failed to address the question. The structure of the Union was not designed by the proletariet because they didn't own the means of production. The structure of the Union was derived from the U.S. government stepping in and appeasing the movement. Yet, people blame Union corruption on the proletariet.

Please try to comment again, young Groucho Marxist.

I blame union corruption on the same thing I blame all organized crime. Power corrupts.

 

[amy31416]

I like the word "bourgeoisie." I say it a lot when I want to sound smart.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Indeed, but you are missing a small point.

I like the word "bourgeoisie." I say it a lot when I want to sound smart.

I can't pronounce the word while I have to look it up to spell it.
Anyway, we had a union movement in this nation. The great aspect about the unions were how they won public land for people to utilize for peaceful assemblies. Or else, MoFos! This public property went from being at one time owned 100% by the king to being own by the people. Still, the structure of what became a union was determined by the government at that point when it stepped in to stimey the movement by appeasment and compromise. The union movement itself did not have the resources to determine what its structure would look like because it did not own the means of production. So, why do people blame the workers for union corruption?

 

[Truth Warrior]

I can't pronounce the word while I have to look it up to spell it.
Anyway, we had a union movement in this nation. The great aspect about the unions were how they won public land for people to utilize for peaceful assemblies. Or else, MoFos! This public property went from being at one time owned 100% by the king to being own by the people. Still, the structure of what became a union was determined by the government at that point when it stepped in to stimey the movement by appeasment and compromise. The union movement itself did not have the resources to determine what its structure would look like because it did not own the means of production. So, why do people blame the workers for union corruption?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bourgeoisie

bourgeoisie [(boor-zhwah-zee)] AKA Middle class

For me, it's usually just, one of several, red flag signal "code words" of some adolescent minded overblown pretentious phony pseudo intellectual fake Marxist wannabe TWIT, just BEGGING to be deflated, knocked around some and taken down a few levels. Several here on the RPF, past and present, spring to mind.

And I'm often more than happy to oblige them, if I'm bored enough, needing another "fun fix" or perhaps think that they just may be worth the reality check correction efforts.

 

[amy31416]

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bourgeoisie

bourgeoisie [(boor-zhwah-zee)] AKA Middle class

For me, it's usually just, one of several, red flag signal "code words" of some adolescent minded overblown pretentious phony pseudo intellectual fake Marxist wannabe TWIT, just BEGGING to be deflated, knocked around some and taken down a few levels. Several here on the RPF, past and present, spring to mind.

And I'm often more than happy to oblige them, if I'm bored enough, needing another "fun fix" or perhaps think that they just may be worth the reality check correction efforts.

Damn, and I've been saying "burr-gee-oyy-see" fer years! What a maroon! Seriously though, it's a word relegated to complete sarcasm given it's inherent snootiness, in my highly-esteemed opinion <IMHEO>.

Well, have fun kids!

 

[Truth Warrior]

Damn, and I've been saying "burr-gee-oyy-see" fer years! What a maroon! Seriously though, it's a word relegated to complete sarcasm given it's inherent snootiness, in my highly-esteemed opinion <IMHEO>.

Well, have fun kids!

Wanna play?

 

[amy31416]

Wanna play?

I have to ask my mommy first.

me: "MOMMY! Can I go play at the national dinner table?"

mom: "What the hell is that?"

me: "I dunno, but we're having catfish and peanut butter."

mom: "Haven't I told you to stay away from those Europeans?"

me: "Yes mom. *sigh*"

 

[Truth Warrior]

I have to ask my mommy first.

me: "MOMMY! Can I go play at the national dinner table?"

mom: "What the hell is that?"

me: "I dunno, but we're having catfish and peanut butter."

mom: "Haven't I told you to stay away from those Europeans?"

me: "Yes mom. *sigh*"

< LMAO! >

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I have to ask my mommy first.

me: "MOMMY! Can I go play at the national dinner table?"

mom: "What the hell is that?"

me: "I dunno, but we're having catfish and peanut butter."

mom: "Haven't I told you to stay away from those Europeans?"

me: "Yes mom. *sigh*"

And the question goes unanswered. I think this is the problem with partisan politics. While we pretend to have the kinds of minds necessary to grapple with complexity, the best we can hope from our thinking is reactionary responses. We can't prevent the tragedy, the cataclysm or the catastrophe. The best we can do is react to it afterwards as if we are in charge. Die in a head-on collision? Fasten your safety belt. Run over and kill a whole family while intoxicated? Don't drink or drive.

 

[Truth Warrior]

And the question goes unanswered. I think this is the problem with partisan politics. While we pretend to have the kinds of minds necessary to grapple with complexity, the best we can hope from our thinking is reactionary responses. We can't prevent the tragedy, the cataclysm or the catastrophe. The best we can do is react to it afterwards as if we are in charge. Die in a head-on collision? Fasten your safety belt. Run over and kill a whole family while intoxicated? Don't drink or drive.

Still waiting for your young Marxists? Hey, how about asking your question on the KMF? It might just improve your odds of getting SOME answers.

Just a thought. < shrug >

"Complexity is the essence of the con and the hustle."

 

[Conza88]

I like the word "bourgeoisie." I say it a lot when I want to sound smart.

I hate the word "bourgeoisie." I never say it, since I don't want to sound dumb.

And the question goes unanswered.

The problem is you're looking for young socialists on a Ron Paul forum. Hahaha...

Seriously though; go ask Kade or mtmedlin.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

Still waiting for your young Marxists? Hey, how about asking your question on the KMF? It might just improve your odds of getting SOME answers.

Just a thought. < shrug >

"Complexity is the essence of the con and the hustle."

As an American sitting at the national dinner table, I appreciate the Marxist attempt to balance mind with heart. While America has grown fat and out of balance while the nation suffers from heart disease, Marxism lops off whole body parts to acheive its goal. Still, the question hasn't been addressed. Still.

 

[Uncle Emanuel Watkins]

I hate the word "bourgeoisie." I never say it, since I don't want to sound dumb.



The problem is you're looking for young socialists on a Ron Paul forum. Hahaha...

Seriously though; go ask Kade or mtmedlin.

I'm not looking for young Marxists. I'm looking for someone to answer my question still. Unfortunately, Marxist terminology has to be used at times when confronting the traditional legal precedence of tyranny. The Union movement was a movement until it was appeased by United States tyranny. The blame for Union corruption can only be placed on the shoulders of the government because the people did not have the resources to determine Union Structure. Such a compromise was established by those in charge of the means of production.

 

[Truth Warrior]

As an American sitting at the national dinner table, I appreciate the Marxist attempt to balance mind with heart. While America has grown fat and out of balance while the nation suffers from heart disease, Marxism lops off whole body parts to acheive its goal. Still, the question hasn't been addressed. Still.

Hint: Does the acronym BSQ have any meaning for you, AT ALL?

 

[Kade]

I hate the word "bourgeoisie." I never say it, since I don't want to sound dumb.



The problem is you're looking for young socialists on a Ron Paul forum. Hahaha...

Seriously though; go ask Kade or mtmedlin.

Get over assclown. If I'm a socialist, wtf are you?

 

[Conza88]

I'm not looking for young Marxists. I'm looking for someone to answer my question still. Unfortunately, Marxist terminology has to be used at times when confronting the traditional legal precedence of tyranny. The Union movement was a movement until it was appeased by United States tyranny. The blame for Union corruption can only be placed on the shoulders of the government because the people did not have the resources to determine Union Structure. Such a compromise was established by those in charge of the means of production.

For all the young Marxists out there, I have a question:

People tend to think that Unions were created as institutions of the proletariat when, because they own the means of production, the bourgeoisie stepped in to to appease the movement. It is the appeasement that establishes the Union, not the protests of the proletariat; yet, the proletariat get blamed for its corruption..

I didn't see a question asked... That's probably why you're still waiting on an answer.

As far as the union movement goes... they shouldn't be blamed for contributing to inflation pressures (they come after the fact, asking for wage increases). They are fine if they are voluntary and there is competition from other union movements within industries.

Get over assclown. If I'm a socialist, wtf are you?

Hahaha! Aww Kade I was just messin wit j00. ->

To answer your question though; depending on the day, I'm an anarcho-capitalist, minarchist or libertarian. I guess that makes me a "minarcho-capliterarian."