The Black Panthers are coming to the RNC convention.

[jmdrake]

Drake, he just asked when the pertinent info was in the hour long video? Donnay's response would have ticked me off too.

LE. I officially give up. If you aren't going to be straight forward enough to admit that Gunny's initial request was rude in the way he made it then what's the point in the conversation? Gunny did not "just ask when the pertinent info was". If that's all he asked than Donnay's response would have been inappropriate. Gunny added to the request the comment that he didn't "really want to listen to an hour of AJ to get to the meat." Now did Donnay misunderstand Gunny? Apparently not. When Donnay apologized and said "Maybe I misunderstood you", Gunny proved that she didn't misunderstand by launching a tirade. He could have just left it with "Yeah, you misunderstood me" and been done with it.

Him asking for a timestamp is a super secret government psyop to keep us divided? What the heck? Don't you think this is a bit insulting?

Is that what you got from "Don't let the government divide us"? What the heck? I think you are insulting my intelligence! Nowhere in her remark did she say or imply that Gunny was involved in a psyop.

And then she finishes off the post by blaming him for "why so many of us are divided". Seriously? This doesn't seem a little nuts to you, Drake?

I think it's "nuts" that you can't realize that prejudice divides. Just look at this thread. Neither you, nor Gunny, nor r3volution, nor anyone else has had anything negative to say about the video. It's all "Well I hate other crap that Alex Jones does so I'm going to yank your chain while you attempt to share information since it came from him."

Again LE, you refuse to answer 1 simple question. Could not Gunny have asked the same question without the neg reference to AJ? And sure, Gunny has a right to say whatever the hell he wants to say about Alex Jones. And Donnay has a right to respond. And both can go on infinitum. And r3volution can throw his 1/2 cent in just for good measure. And the whole thing can spin out of control. And we can all lose sight of pertinent information that was being discussed earlier in this thread but is now being ignored.

I agree wholeheartedly with what Gunny said. He hit the nail right on the head.

And I wholeheartedly disagree. And so far I haven't seen you honestly address what Gunny actually said. Sorry, but I haven't.

People need to stop trying to shove Alex Jones down everyone's throats and insult them if they don't take it. It's great that some of you love him. But, there shouldn't be any necessity for others to. His name isn't on the top of this forum; nor is he running for office. I accept you liking him. Please accept me, not. And those who do not love him, need to leave those who do alone, too.

And please be honest about what's really going on here. Nobody said Gunny or you or anyone else had to like AJ or agree with him. Really, this is getting stupid. I post Michael Savage sometimes. Do I like Michael Savage? Hell no! But it never fails that when I post something from Michael Savage that some jackass has to point out how much of a jackass Michael Savage is. Does my objection to their thread derail mean that I'm "pushing" Michael Savage on them? How can I push someone on someone else that I don't like myself? Sometime sharing information is just sharing information.

 

[jmdrake]

So instead of me dividing the liberty movement because I asked for a timestamp, I am dividing the liberty movement because I didn't want to listen to a whole hour of Alex Jones, and I'm supposed to be happy and that ends the argument?

What in the world has this Jones fellow done to you guys?

Oh stop with the dramatics. This isn't about whether or not you like Alex Jones. I will repeat to you what I just told LE.

And please be honest about what's really going on here. Nobody said Gunny or you or anyone else had to like AJ or agree with him. Really, this is getting stupid. I post Michael Savage sometimes. Do I like Michael Savage? Hell no! But it never fails that when I post something from Michael Savage that some jackass has to point out how much of a jackass Michael Savage is. Does my objection to their thread derail mean that I'm "pushing" Michael Savage on them? How can I push someone on someone else that I don't like myself? Sometimes sharing information is just sharing information.

Again, there's nothing wrong with you asking for a timestamp. The way you asked seemed rude. Donnay apologized when you seem offended and you just became more offended. Really Gunny, WTF?

 

[RickyJ]

If I have learned anything in the last 5 years it's that people do not change their minds through debate. I mean, I do but apparently I am some kind of freak.

Just to let you know, you aren't the only "freak" here, I too have changed my mind through debate.

 

[Revolution9]

Don't really want to listen to an hour of AJ to get to the meat. Do you have a time target in mind?

I watched the whole thing and usually don't.

Rev9

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Gunny, we see what we're saying. But you are not honestly seeing what you are saying. Gunny, nobody told you to worship anyone and you know it.

I do not know it, in fact, I'm more convinced than ever that's exactly what's going on.

I didn't care one way or the other about Alex Jones, but because I did not want to watch a whole hour of Alex Jones for what amounts to a peripheral point in a larger discussion, I'm dividing the liberty movement?

Y'all have plumb lost your minds.

The logic clearly boils down to "worship Alex Jones or you are an enemy of liberty."

Anybody that has THAT kind of effect on people is not to be trusted, even if his name is Alex Jones.

You asked Donnay to do you a favor but included a smart ass comment in your request. Do you really think that was necessary? This time think before you reply. If you can honestly say that you really believe that you would not have gotten an answer quicker by simply saying Can you please give me the time stamp for when the Black Panther says X....well I don't think you can honestly say that.

I can honestly say that I was asking for a timestamp because I did not want to listen to a straight hour of Alex Jones, but I wanted to see the information being referred to.

It's called 'being honest.' You can call that a 'smart ass comment' all you like, but it won't make it so.

On the other hand, you defend this notion that I'm an enemy of liberty because I don't want to listen to an hour long video of Alex Jones.

That worries me, a lot. I was dead honest when I said that this whole episode has pushed me from "Don't Care" to "Do Not Like." Anybody who has this weird hypnotizing like effect on people is already suspicious. Are you and Donnay really prepared to label anybody who doesn't care about or doesn't care for Alex Jones and enemy of liberty?

How about the rest of the AJ Posse? If this is the effect that AJ has on you guys, then you should be suspicious of him too.

And since you can't honestly say that you have to play the straw man game and falsely claim others were trying to get you to "worship Alex Jones" and falsely claim that people have called you an "enemy of the liberty movement".

No, this is where you are clearly blinded by the bias.

I didn't care about AJ at all not for good or ill, BUT THAT WASN'T GOOD ENOUGH. I have to LIKE him or I'm dividing the liberty movement, which is something that an enemy of liberty does.

That's not a strawman, that's the distillation of what is being thrown at me, and the reason why I'm pissed.

Nobody called you that and deep down in your inner core you know that.

Um, no. Why the f do you think I'm so pissed off?

But you were being needlessly divisive. In this thread you started the divisiveness.

Bullshit.

Donnay tried to back away from the bring of a flamewar by saying she might have misunderstood you.

Double bullshit. Donnay wasn't bringing an olive branch, she was twisting the fkng dagger. It wasn't enough that I was dividing the liberty movement, now I'm stupid to boot.

But you persisted in the flamewar. That doesn't make you a bad person, or an enemy of liberty, or whatever. I'll admit I've pushed the edge when I should have backed off. But this time you pushed the edge and for no good reason.

Call me an enemy of liberty and it's going to set me off. Call me an enemy of liberty because I refuse to worship a random blowhard, and I will begin to see how that random blowhard is really hurting us and I will call it out as I see it.

Hell, I don't worship Alex Jones either. I'm still miffed at him for the way he treated Catherine Bleish. And you know what? I don't worship Ron Paul either. I'm not mad at Catherine Bleish for calling Ron Paul a traitor for endorsing a neocon candidate in Texas. I disagree with Catherine on that, but I respect her right to make up her own mind based on the evidence.

You seem pretty eager to defend someone calling me an enemy of liberty just because I don't want to listen to an hour straight of Alex Jones.

Like I said, if this is the effect that AJ has on people, then maybe I was wrong to think he was irrelevant. Maybe he really is some kind of agent provocateur here to destroy us. That would certainly explain this...frankly bizarre reaction to asking for a simple time stamp.

 

[Revolution9]

You are right that I can't be bothered to listen to AJ. However I have been utterly silent on that point since the start of all this in 2007 when I first heard of Alex Jones.

So your position (taking your earlier post) would be that my being silent about AJ is somehow dividing the movement. You would rather I be open and vocal about how much I think he is harming the liberty movement? You would rather I do like you and force people to pick sides and divide themselves around something (someone) so irrelevant?

Seems to me that you, sir, are the one dividing the movement by forcing people to take sides around some random blowhard that you happen to like. I will continue to seek common ground to unite the movement towards our common goal of restoring liberty, and you, sir, can keep calling out people based on their personal take on Alex Jones and splitting us up between "reals" and "fakes," and when it's all done and said we will discover if my "uniting" strategy or your "dividing" strategy has been more divisive to the movement.

As for your earlier post, especially when you consider that I have avoided any discussions on AJ like the plague for the last 5 years, are you really trying to say that anybody who doesn't love and adore Alex Jones is automatically an enemy of the liberty movement? Because that's what it looks like from here, and if so that would tell me that your priorities are not centered on liberty, but on some Bill O'Reilly wannabe out of Austin Texas.

You continue to focus on Alex Jones if you like, I will continue to focus on liberty and ignore him altogether. If you think I am the one being divisive, then I suggest you invest in a mirror, sir.

Dude.. Yer outta line with this blowhard diatribe. It was an entirely respectful interview with no bombasticity. Apparently her first assumption was correct..and then you go through a series of machinations and admit it anyways.

Rev9

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Oh stop with the dramatics. This isn't about whether or not you like Alex Jones. I will repeat to you what I just told LE.

And please be honest about what's really going on here. Nobody said Gunny or you or anyone else had to like AJ or agree with him. Really, this is getting stupid. I post Michael Savage sometimes. Do I like Michael Savage? Hell no! But it never fails that when I post something from Michael Savage that some jackass has to point out how much of a jackass Michael Savage is. Does my objection to their thread derail mean that I'm "pushing" Michael Savage on them? How can I push someone on someone else that I don't like myself? Sometimes sharing information is just sharing information.

Again, there's nothing wrong with you asking for a timestamp. The way you asked seemed rude. Donnay apologized when you seem offended and you just became more offended. Really Gunny, WTF?

Bullshit Drake. I was called an enemy of liberty because I did not want to watch an hour video fo Alex Jones and yes I took offense to that. If you think I'm the one being rude here, then I have no idea what to tell you because we are clearly on different planets.

 

[jmdrake]

Nothing worth replying to

I will repeat this until it sinks in. This isn't about whether or not you like Alex Jones. I will repeat to you what I just told LE.

And please be honest about what's really going on here. Nobody said Gunny or you or anyone else had to like AJ or agree with him. Really, this is getting stupid. I post Michael Savage sometimes. Do I like Michael Savage? Hell no! But it never fails that when I post something from Michael Savage that some jackass has to point out how much of a jackass Michael Savage is. Does my objection to their thread derail mean that I'm "pushing" Michael Savage on them? How can I push someone on someone else that I don't like myself? Sometimes sharing information is just sharing information.

Again, there's nothing wrong with you asking for a timestamp. The way you asked seemed rude. Donnay apologized when you seem offended and you just became more offended. Really Gunny, WTF?

 

[jmdrake]

Bullshit Drake. I was called an enemy of liberty because I did not want to watch an hour video fo Alex Jones and yes I took offense to that. If you think I'm the one being rude here, then I have no idea what to tell you because we are clearly on different planets.

Gunny. Either show me the quote were you were the words "enemy of liberty" was used against you or admit you are lying and shut up.

Edit: In fact, don't bother. I did a search on the thread and you called YOURSELF an enemy of liberty. Nobody else called you one. That's the way you chose to interpret what Donnay said while she was apologizing to you. Go back and read the thread for yourself.

 

[donnay]

LE. I officially give up. If you aren't going to be straight forward enough to admit that Gunny's initial request was rude in the way he made it then what's the point in the conversation? Gunny did not "just ask when the pertinent info was". If that's all he asked than Donnay's response would have been inappropriate. Gunny added to the request the comment that he didn't "really want to listen to an hour of AJ to get to the meat." Now did Donnay misunderstand Gunny? Apparently not. When Donnay apologized and said "Maybe I misunderstood you", Gunny proved that she didn't misunderstand by launching a tirade. He could have just left it with "Yeah, you misunderstood me" and been done with it.



Is that what you got from "Don't let the government divide us"? What the heck? I think you are insulting my intelligence! Nowhere in her remark did she say or imply that Gunny was involved in a psyop.



I think it's "nuts" that you can't realize that prejudice divides. Just look at this thread. Neither you, nor Gunny, nor r3volution, nor anyone else has had anything negative to say about the video. It's all "Well I hate other crap that Alex Jones does so I'm going to yank your chain while you attempt to share information since it came from him."

Again LE, you refuse to answer 1 simple question. Could not Gunny have asked the same question without the neg reference to AJ? And sure, Gunny has a right to say whatever the hell he wants to say about Alex Jones. And Donnay has a right to respond. And both can go on infinitum. And r3volution can throw his 1/2 cent in just for good measure. And the whole thing can spin out of control. And we can all lose sight of pertinent information that was being discussed earlier in this thread but is now being ignored.



And I wholeheartedly disagree. And so far I haven't seen you honestly address what Gunny actually said. Sorry, but I haven't.



And please be honest about what's really going on here. Nobody said Gunny or you or anyone else had to like AJ or agree with him. Really, this is getting stupid. I post Michael Savage sometimes. Do I like Michael Savage? Hell no! But it never fails that when I post something from Michael Savage that some jackass has to point out how much of a jackass Michael Savage is. Does my objection to their thread derail mean that I'm "pushing" Michael Savage on them? How can I push someone on someone else that I don't like myself? Sometime sharing information is just sharing information.

You said it better than I. Thank you.

"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jmdrake again."

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Dude.. Yer outta line with this blowhard diatribe. It was an entirely respectful interview with no bombasticity. Apparently her first assumption was correct..and then you go through a series of machinations and admit it anyways.

Rev9

Fine. "Ron Paul Forums" is becoming the "worship Alex Jones or you are an enemy of liberty forums."

I guess I am now an enemy of liberty and no longer welcome here.

Hope some of you guys survive the collapse.

I bet ya'll are real proud of running off all these 'enemies of liberty.'

 

[cajuncocoa]

Wow, Black Panthers and now Code Pink are headed to the RNC, Tampa, FL...
<snip>

Now people will get mixed up and think they see the Pink Panther.

 

[Aratus]

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-...t-Be-Tolerated-Our-Feet-Will-Be-On-Your-Necks



Sorry I can't really give a rundown of the video. All I heard was evil white people, evil RNC, I couldn't listen to
all of it. The best I can get out of it is they are saying that the black people are being oppressed by the RNC.

if this thread began with a breitbart.com link... why are pro and con comments
on good ole alex jones swamping it right now? i am listening to the interview in
the link and yes... i feel the spokeswoman for the new black panther party sounds
exactly like the older hardcore activists i remember from the 1960s and 1970s!!!!

 

[jmdrake]

Fine. "Ron Paul Forums" is becoming the "worship Alex Jones or you are an enemy of liberty forums."

I guess I am now an enemy of liberty and no longer welcome here.

Hope some of you guys survive the collapse.

I bet ya'll are real proud of running off all these 'enemies of liberty.'

You realize that you're the only one in this thread that used the "enemy of liberty" moniker? No, guess not.

 

[TheGrinch]

Don't know if this has been posted already, but Code Pink bringing their vaginas should go nicely with the Johnson fest going on.

Wow, Black Panthers and now Code Pink are headed to the RNC, Tampa, FL...

Should be fun and interesting to watch... BRING YOUR VAGINA TO TAMPA

http://www.codepink4peace.org/article.php?id=6178

 

[Revolution9]

Call me an enemy of liberty and it's going to set me off. Call me an enemy of liberty because I refuse to worship a random blowhard, and I will begin to see how that random blowhard is really hurting us and I will call it out as I see it.



You seem pretty eager to defend someone calling me an enemy of liberty just because I don't want to listen to an hour straight of Alex Jones.

Like I said, if this is the effect that AJ has on people, then maybe I was wrong to think he was irrelevant. Maybe he really is some kind of agent provocateur here to destroy us. That would certainly explain this...frankly bizarre reaction to asking for a simple time stamp.

Well.. What i see is that AJ is a part of the liberty coalition and you are trashing him hard. And from a political catbird seat set up for you by the likes of Jones and his viewers..I said likes of..to be sure.. He has done more than you will ever do to get folks lightbulbs switched on. Note. I am not an AJ fan but i do see who and what people are and what they are up to fairly quickly. He is a God fearing, pissed off, big man Texan. AF with a radio station and enormously popular websites. Not what you portray him as.. Your version of him is slanderous IMO, ergo as a man I think yer a frikkin' pussy for claiming to be a liberty defender, dodging this way and that to defend the BS YOU started.. and then trashing one who has been in the trenches far longer than you and has 1000 times the impact. Because he is bombastic. Well I ain't no frikkin' petunia either. Guess you wouldn't like my hyper-adrenalated ass in person either.

Rev9

 

[Aratus]

if the police in tampa are more tense as the RNC looms, then the activist has a point about how the quality of life is being impacted.

 

[Revolution9]

Fine. "Ron Paul Forums" is becoming the "worship Alex Jones or you are an enemy of liberty forums."

I guess I am now an enemy of liberty and no longer welcome here.

Hope some of you guys survive the collapse.

I bet ya'll are real proud of running off all these 'enemies of liberty.'

Now yer vying for the Dept if Agroculture hogwashing of the week award. Give it a break dude. Yer burying yerself hard. We will still luv ya tomorry.

Rev9

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

FFS you guys need to lay off of him already. Because he doesn't like AJ he's now a pussy, an enemy of liberty, and dividing us all? Who's really dividing us: the person who ran for office and did a damn good job in office for the liberty movement or the conspiracy theorist who causes people who agree on so much to argue about him on the internet?

Your version of him is slanderous IMO, ergo as a man I think yer a frikkin' pussy for claiming to be a liberty defender

 

[RickyJ]

Fine. "Ron Paul Forums" is becoming the "worship Alex Jones or you are an enemy of liberty forums."

I guess I am now an enemy of liberty and no longer welcome here.

Hope some of you guys survive the collapse.

I bet ya'll are real proud of running off all these 'enemies of liberty.'

Don't let a few taken the wrong way posts drive you away, plenty of people here appreciate your posts. I know I do.

I don't think anyone here really thinks you are an "enemy of liberty" either, and if they do then they don't know you that well.