The Black Panthers are coming to the RNC convention.

[jkr]

it *is* a good interview btw...

 

[bolil]

Well, who wants to bet Stormfront shows up too. What a freaking mess.

 

[jmdrake]

I disagree. The "you couldn't be bothered to listen to an interview hosted by Alex Jones" was more than condescending.

The entire quote is:

Excuse me if I misunderstood your post. But the way I took it was; you couldn't be bothered to listen to an interview hosted by Alex Jones.

Really, it seems I'm belaboring the obvious, but for your sake I'll be patient. If someone prefaces a statement with "Excuse me if I misunderstood you", what follows can not honestly be called "condescending". There are only two possibilities. Either Donnay did initially understand Gunny, in which case an honest assessment of what Gunny is saying was not condescending, or Donnay didn't understand Gunny, in which case Donnay's apology should have been enough.

Really, Gunny could have avoided the whole argument just by asking for the timestamp without the extra comment. That Gunny later tried to shift the blame to Donnay is kind of sad.

I can only speak for myself, but to me it's a combination of some of the antics I have watched Alex pull, along with some of the brow-beating I have seen on here of anyone who doesn't kneel before Alex Jones and his theories. After a period of time, it builds up and causes the exact opposite reaction that those involved are trying to create.

Well speaking only for myself I've seen the exact opposite happen here at RPF with the brow beating coming from the anti-AJ crowd. This thread is a case in point IMO. No "theory" was even up for debate. Typically I've seen the "brow beating" start way after the anti-AJ crowd begins with the "Yall are a bunch of loons" snips.

I might later. Right now, I have no interest in it and that was largely caused by the behavior in this thread.

Just let some time pass. I'll try to watch it later. Since you requested it...

Fair enough.

 

[LibertyEagle]

We will have to agree to disagree on that, JmDrake. It won't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

EDIT: I wanted to come back and remark on this, though.

Well speaking only for myself I've seen the exact opposite happen here at RPF with the brow beating coming from the anti-AJ crowd. This thread is a case in point IMO. No "theory" was even up for debate. Typically I've seen the "brow beating" start way after the anti-AJ crowd begins with the "Yall are a bunch of loons" snips.

It's gone both ways. That's for sure. I definitely acknowledge that.

But, I do not agree with you on this latest thing.

 

[DerailingDaTrain]

Why is it so hard for people to distinguish between the Black Panthers and the New Black Panther Party? One was a leftist group who worked with different races and the other is a racist commie hate group who advocate murder and violence if you don't share the same skin color as them.

 

[donnay]

On Keeping The People Divided, Distracted, And Controlled

By Larry Pinkney

opednews.com

by Larry Pinkney, Republished from The Black Commentator, April 26, 2012

On Keeping The People Divided, Distracted, And Controlled

"And in the framework of the collectivity there were the differentiations, the stratification, and the bloodthirsty tensions fed by classes; and finally, on the immense scale of humanity, there were racial hatreds, slavery, exploitation, and above all the bloodless genocide which consisted in the setting aside of fifteen thousand millions of men...For Europe, for ourselves, and for humanity, comrades, we must turn over a new leaf, we must work out new concepts, and try to set afoot a New Man."

-- Frantz Fanon

"Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters."

-- Rosa Luxemburg

The United States government was brought into existence as a direct of its murderous genocide of the Indigenous Native peoples, the brutal slavery of Black people, and the shameless exploitation and indentured servitude of many poor White people and others. To this very day, the U.S. corporate government continues to be singularly, at home and abroad, the most hypocritical, manipulative, and concomitantly violent one on this precious planet of Mother Earth.

Changing the pigmentation of the presidential occupant in the White House has demostratively served to strengthen, give cover for, and perpetuate the systemic exploitation and hypocrisy in and of this government; not weaken it. To deny this is to be in denial of reality. Unfortunately, though people in this nation are increasingly beginning to awaken, a considerable amount of everyday Black, White, Brown, Red, and Yellow people remain enslaved on the mental and political plantations of the corporate owned and controlled Democrat and Republican parties. This must be systemically addressed for what it actually is.

The role of the U.S. coporate-stream - so-called 'news' and information media - is an insidious and debilitating one, particularly as it pertains to crippling and manipulating the masses of everyday ordinary people, and keeping them on the mental and political plantations of the corporate Democrat and Republican party foxes and wolves. The job of the media is to distract, omit, and disinform the people. Thus, ordinary people are mercilessly bombarded with distractions that serve to keep them/us manipulated, divided and controlled. The corporate-stream media is nothing more than the mouth piece of and for the corporate Democrat and Republican politicians, who in turn, are the political servants of the corporate elite. The people in this nation are not stupid, but they are kept ignorant of in-depth pertinent details regarding the pressing national and international issues that directly affect their welfare and best economic and political interests. Like the U.S. corporate elite and their Republicrat [i.e. Democrat and Republican party] stooges, the mission of the U.S. 'news' media is to keep the people distracted, divided, and controlled. This cannot be over emphasized.

The U.S. corporate elite, its politicians, and the U.S. 'news' and information media all work together to maintain the fake left/right paradigm embodied in the symbiotically-joined Democrat and Republican parties. For example, the Wall Street "crises" was irrefutably manufactured and created by the insatiable greed of the corporate elite itself. Yet, the leadership of both the Democrat and Republican parties jointly agreed to the trillion dollar criminal 'bail out' of and for that very same Wall Street corporate elite against the wishes of the vast majority of people in this nation. And of course the corporate-stream media parroted the insipid nonsense of the Democrat and Republican parties regarding this criminal 'bail out.' Moreover, the Republican Party has, in large measure co-opted and neutralized the 'Tea Party' (regardless to what one might think of them), which is precisely what the Democratic Party is feverishly attempting to do in the case of the 'Occupy Movement' - co-opt and neutralize. Both of these political parties, which are in actuality one symbiotically-joined corporate political party with differing rhetoric, are about the business of ensuring that they - and only they - continue as the power brokers over the people of this nation. The game is rigged. Think about it. Both George Soros and the infamous Koch Brothers, et al, are demonstrative of how money and power are effectively used to subvert a people's 'democracy' in the United States, even as the spurious systemic left/right paradigm is perpetuated by the corporate Democrat and Republican parties.

The time has come for an end to corporate hegemony and glut inside this nation and around the world. The time has come for an end to economic austerity against the ordinary people of this nation. The time has come for an end to the U.S. rank and file military being used as the cannon fodder of the U.S. corporate/military elite. The time has come for an end to the missiles, bombings, shootings, and maiming by the U.S. corporate military machine in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Africa, and elsewhere. The time has come for an end to the de facto legalized police state (NDAA-style) inside the United States. The time has come for an end to U.S. international war mongering. The time of color and ethnic fear and rage that is in fact perpetuated by the politicos of the corporate Democrat and Republican parties must be brought to a resounding close. And yes, the time has come for an end to the sadistic imprisonment of political prisoners throughout this nation itself. Enough already! These outrages do not represent the wishes of the majority of people in this nation. Moreover, these outrages serve to incite internal and external fear and hatred even as the greedy corporate elite becomes even more bloated from the pain, misery, division, and suffering of ordinary everyday people in this nation and around the world. These outrages carried out in the fallacious name of the people of this nation by the Democrat and Republican parties must be made to cease. Only we the people - ordinary everyday people - can and will do this through a long, hard, and determined protracted struggle to take back our critical thinking abilities and our humanity from these systemic bloodsuckers.

As challenging as it certainly is and will continue to be, we must learn, and quickly, the art of communicating with one another as we collectively go about the revolutionary task of, in the words of Frantz Fanon, "turn[ing] over a new leaf," "work[ing] out new concepts," and "try[ing] to set afoot a New Man [and Woman]."

Let each one teach one, and each one reach one. Organize, agitate, educate, and then organize some more. Our humanity belongs to each of us individually and collectively, not to the bloodsuckers of humanity and the despoilers of Mother Earth!

Remember the words of Rosa Luxemburg: "Freedom is always the freedom of dissenters." Onward, then, my sisters and brothers! Onward!

 

[jmdrake]

We will have to agree to disagree on that, JmDrake. It won't be the first time and I am sure it won't be the last.

Group hug!

EDIT: I wanted to come back and remark on this, though.


It's gone both ways. That's for sure. I definitely acknowledge that.

But, I do not agree with you on this latest thing.

And that's where we disagree. For the life of me I don't see why you think Gunny's initial comment was warranted. I don't see why you think any subsequent comments from Donnay excused Gunny's initial comment. And I don't see why you don't think Gunny should have just accepted Donnay's apology and moved on. I don't mind agreeing to disagree. I just find this particular disagreement most puzzling. In fact I find this comment from Gunny puzzling.

And you could have ended all of this over six hours ago simply by giving me a timestamp in the video.

So....Gunny takes zero responsibility on himself for the way he made the request?

 

[shane77m]

Mods please change the title to "New Black Panthers"

 

[Dr.3D]

Mods please change the title to "New Black Panthers"

See what happens when you put Code Pink together with the New Black Panthers?

 

[r3volution]

Ahem. You directly accused me of dividing the liberty movement. I'm not the one being melodramatic.



I don't care if Alex Jones is on the side of liberty or if he is on the side of Big Macs with special sauce lettuce and cheese. Alex Jones has demonstrated far too often for me that AJ is about AJ period, and if it were to come down to a single decision to save America and cast AJ into obscurity or push America on towards destruction but make AJ a famous hero, AJ would choose the famous hero.

As far as I can see, AJ is in it for AJ alone.

Why are you doing this? I thought you didn't want to divide the liberty movement and yet here you are hacking away with a machete because you don't like the fact that i consider Alex Jones a selfish self centered self aggrandizing charlatan?

Just look at all this angst boiling up behind...your...action.

I'm not the one dividing the movement, Donnay, you are. You who would split us into the greater ones that like AJ and then the lesser ones that don't, that is by definition divisive.

I am sure that you still think that I am the one splitting and destroying the liberty movement. If I have learned anything in the last 5 years it's that people do not change their minds through debate. I mean, I do but apparently I am some kind of freak.

When you divide members of the liberty movement around whether they adore, like, don't care, dislike, or despise Alex Jones, then I'm sorry to say it is not me but you doing the dividing.

Me, I don't care about Alex Jones, at all. One way or the other. Your claim to knowledge that I hate him is a false one. I don't like him, I don't dislike him, I consider him self-absorbed and irrelevant. What I hate, is when people use AJ as a wedge to divide the liberty movement.

And yes, I am extremely annoyed that you accused me of dividing the liberty movement simply because I don't worship at the alter of Alex Jones. To me, that alone tells me more than I need to know about his role in the movement. Your line of posts here is the very thing that will push me from "don't care" to "don't like" as through your agency he is becoming an agent of division.



My apologies to the honorable gentlelady from New Hampshire.

 

[r3volution]

Group hug!



And that's where we disagree. For the life of me I don't see why you think Gunny's initial comment was warranted. I don't see why you think any subsequent comments from Donnay excused Gunny's initial comment. And I don't see why you don't think Gunny should have just accepted Donnay's apology and moved on. I don't mind agreeing to disagree. I just find this particular disagreement most puzzling. In fact I find this comment from Gunny puzzling.

And you could have ended all of this over six hours ago simply by giving me a timestamp in the video.

So....Gunny takes zero responsibility on himself for the way he made the request?

you are 10x more guilty of what gunny rightfully accused donnay of doing .

p.s. in before sgt150 rides drakes coat tail to insult people with petty name calling .

 

[jmdrake]

you are 10x more guilty of what gunny rightfully accused donnay of doing .

p.s. in before sgt150 rides drakes coat tail to insult people with petty name calling .

Enjoy your little bit of spotlight drama queen. You started with the petty name calling long ago.

 

[LibertyEagle]

Group hug!



And that's where we disagree. For the life of me I don't see why you think Gunny's initial comment was warranted. I don't see why you think any subsequent comments from Donnay excused Gunny's initial comment. And I don't see why you don't think Gunny should have just accepted Donnay's apology and moved on. I don't mind agreeing to disagree. I just find this particular disagreement most puzzling. In fact I find this comment from Gunny puzzling.

And you could have ended all of this over six hours ago simply by giving me a timestamp in the video.

So....Gunny takes zero responsibility on himself for the way he made the request?

Drake, he just asked when the pertinent info was in the hour long video? Donnay's response would have ticked me off too.

Just look at what she said.

The meat of the video is uniting together and rise above it. Stop allowing the government to keep us divided.

Him asking for a timestamp is a super secret government psyop to keep us divided? What the heck? Don't you think this is a bit insulting?

It's easier to set up a group of people by putting out narrative like the OP is hyping. And with all due respect, your own prejudice of Alex Jones is why so many of us stay divided.

And then she finishes off the post by blaming him for "why so many of us are divided". Seriously? This doesn't seem a little nuts to you, Drake?

I agree wholeheartedly with what Gunny said. He hit the nail right on the head.

People need to stop trying to shove Alex Jones down everyone's throats and insult them if they don't take it. It's great that some of you love him. But, there shouldn't be any necessity for others to. His name isn't on the top of this forum; nor is he running for office. I accept you liking him. Please accept me, not. And those who do not love him, need to leave those who do alone, too.

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...-convention.&p=4582493&viewfull=1#post4582493

 

[r3volution]

Enjoy your little bit of spotlight drama queen. You started with the petty name calling long ago.

its called blow-back drake . what do you expect from people when jones blowhards have been calling them names for years on end and pretending they are the only ones "in the know" .

and you can say i started calling names "long ago" but it is simply not true . i bit my tongue for years just like gunny and may others until recently . i never said shit until your supreme leader questioned RON's loyalty and started spouting that he was the sole creator of "the liberty movement" and made the Paul's , then you and the usual suspects echoed that here . which was only a few months ago and if you have not noticed i have been here as long as you .

 

[GunnyFreedom]

Group hug!



And that's where we disagree. For the life of me I don't see why you think Gunny's initial comment was warranted. I don't see why you think any subsequent comments from Donnay excused Gunny's initial comment. And I don't see why you don't think Gunny should have just accepted Donnay's apology and moved on. I don't mind agreeing to disagree. I just find this particular disagreement most puzzling. In fact I find this comment from Gunny puzzling.

And you could have ended all of this over six hours ago simply by giving me a timestamp in the video.

So....Gunny takes zero responsibility on himself for the way he made the request?

Seriously, I'm starting to see why some people really do not like AJ. If this is his effect on you guys, that antipathy is warranted. If I had asked for a timestamp in an hour long Ron Paul video so I wouldn't have to watch the whole hour nobody would have blinked an eye, but I ask for a timestamp in an AJ video so I don't have to watch the whole hour and WHAM I'm an enemy of the liberty movement.

This is not 'the Alex Jones Movement.' Hell, it's not even 'the Ron Paul Movement.' It's 'the Liberty Movement.'

I don't worship ANY man but the man Jesus, but if I don't worship Alex Jones I'm an enemy of the liberty movement? Are you guys even seeing what y'all are saying? I'll say it again, if that's the effect that AJ has on people, then the distrust of him is more than warranted.

 

[jmdrake]

its called blow-back drake . what do you expect from people when jones blowhards have been calling them names for years on end and pretending they are the only ones "in the know" .

and you can say i started calling names "long ago" but it is simply not true . i bit my tongue for years just like gunny and may others until recently . i never said shit until your supreme leader questioned RON's loyalty and started spouting that he was the sole creator of "the liberty movement" and made the Paul's , then you and the usual suspects echoed that here . which was only a few months ago and if you have not noticed i have been here as long as you .

I'd not had any words towards you. And I bit my own tongue years ago when the AJ bashers first started with their nonsense. I only started being open about questioning 9/11 on forums after people like you began the bashing. And you started this round. You can stop it. Hell, I would have let you have the last word in this thread with your "clapping" gif, but you wanted another last word on top of your last word. That's the essence of a drama queen.

 

[donnay]

Drake, he just asked when the pertinent info was in the hour long video? Donnay's response would have ticked me off too.

Just look at what she said.


Him asking for a timestamp is a super secret government psyop to keep us divided? What the heck? Don't you think this is a bit insulting!

Dear Forum Nanny (AKA: LibertyEagle),

It was how Gunny phrased his question: "Don't really want to listen to an hour of AJ to get to the meat. Do you have a time target in mind?"

My response was justified--[the whole quote]:

"The meat of the video is uniting together and rise above it. Stop allowing the government to keep us divided. It's easier to set up a group of people by putting out narrative like the OP is hyping. And with all due respect, your own prejudice of Alex Jones is why so many of us stay divided."

It's sad that the word prejudice has so many people brainwashed into thinking it has a negative connotation. Which is why I said in post #33:

"In order for us to stop this tyranny we must be vocal NOW! We have a small window of opportunity still available. Everyone has their opinions, prejudices and bugaboos about someone or something. We have to learn to put our differences aside, and realize the common goal is to unite for liberty. That is all!"

 

[jmdrake]

Seriously, I'm starting to see why some people really do not like AJ. If this is his effect on you guys, that antipathy is warranted. If I had asked for a timestamp in an hour long Ron Paul video so I wouldn't have to watch the whole hour nobody would have blinked an eye, but I ask for a timestamp in an AJ video so I don't have to watch the whole hour and WHAM I'm an enemy of the liberty movement.

This is not 'the Alex Jones Movement.' Hell, it's not even 'the Ron Paul Movement.' It's 'the Liberty Movement.'

I don't worship ANY man but the man Jesus, but if I don't worship Alex Jones I'm an enemy of the liberty movement? Are you guys even seeing what y'all are saying? I'll say it again, if that's the effect that AJ has on people, then the distrust of him is more than warranted.

Gunny, we see what we're saying. But you are not honestly seeing what you are saying. Gunny, nobody told you to worship anyone and you know it. You asked Donnay to do you a favor but included a smart ass comment in your request. Do you really think that was necessary? This time think before you reply. If you can honestly say that you really believe that you would not have gotten an answer quicker by simply saying Can you please give me the time stamp for when the Black Panther says X....well I don't think you can honestly say that. And since you can't honestly say that you have to play the straw man game and falsely claim others were trying to get you to "worship Alex Jones" and falsely claim that people have called you an "enemy of the liberty movement". Nobody called you that and deep down in your inner core you know that. But you were being needlessly divisive. In this thread you started the divisiveness. Donnay tried to back away from the bring of a flamewar by saying she might have misunderstood you. But you persisted in the flamewar. That doesn't make you a bad person, or an enemy of liberty, or whatever. I'll admit I've pushed the edge when I should have backed off. But this time you pushed the edge and for no good reason. Hell, I don't worship Alex Jones either. I'm still miffed at him for the way he treated Catherine Bleish. And you know what? I don't worship Ron Paul either. I'm not mad at Catherine Bleish for calling Ron Paul a traitor for endorsing a neocon candidate in Texas. I disagree with Catherine on that, but I respect her right to make up her own mind based on the evidence.

 

[GunnyFreedom]

You don't agree with what exactly? Sorry, but you haven't stated a point of disagreement. I tell you want. Take an hour to actually watch the video. It won't kill you. Tell me if you disagree with anything in that video. Tell me if you honestly disagree with my assertion that the entire 1 hour video contains a plethora of important information that can't be boiled down to a single time stamp.

Edit: Further Donnay offered an olive branch to Gunny and Gunny rudely smacked it down.

This:


Should have been the end of the bickering.



9/11 isn't even mentioned in the video! I've noticed that some people are reactionary in the other direction to where any time something is posted from Infowars.com they willfully close their minds down to the information because of the source. I don't consider that healthy. Maybe you do.



Sure we're on the same side. But here's where I think you can grow. Take the time to watch the entire video. Forget for a moment that Alex Jones is in it. Tell me what you think of this video. Listen to it in the background while you do something else. Sure you don't have to do that to be "on my side", but you may find yourself enlightened on some things if you do. And none of those things have anything to do with 9/11.

So instead of me dividing the liberty movement because I asked for a timestamp, I am dividing the liberty movement because I didn't want to listen to a whole hour of Alex Jones, and I'm supposed to be happy and that ends the argument?

What in the world has this Jones fellow done to you guys?

With every post on this line of debate, it is becoming more and more clear that the primary divisive agent here is none other than Alex Jones himself.

You and others can continue to judge who is worthy of being in the liberty movement based around how much they worship AJ, and I will continue discerning people's fitness according to, you know, their stance on liberty, leaving people alone, philosophical position on aggression, NAFTA, CAFTA, PATRIOT, NDAA and the like.

I understand that I am not worthy of being a member of your liberty movement because I do not bow and scrape before Alex Jones. I understand that it is 'not good enough' that I simply never bothered to comment on Alex Jones, I can't just not care about him and still be a member of your liberty movement, if I don't fall to my knees in religious ecstasy at the sound of AJ's voice then I am an enemy of liberty. Got it.

SMH, I understand that you can't see the biases that you produce, that's the nature of a bias, if it were visible to you then it wouldn't be a bias. I do so wish you could see this one though, because it's hilighting a very serious problem here.

Do you really think that anybody who doesn't like Alex Jones is an enemy of the liberty movement? Because that is what you are defending Drake.

 

[RickyJ]

The Black Panthers are coming to the RNC convention.

All 12 of them? Who cares? More media propaganda for the masses, nothing more.