The bizarro world of Trumpian National Socialism

[jmdrake]

Yeah. I coined a brand new term. I started to say "neo national socialism" but I'm not saying what I'm seeing are new skinheads. I mean something very specific. People who can be okay with Trump implementing ACTUAL communism / socialism in the form of the state taking an equity stake in major coporations but somehow think that private companies deciding "Hey. Maybe we can recruit from untapped talent pools to fill critical rolls in our company." like United Airlines did with its move to recruit more minority and women pilots is somehow "communism."

If the "libertarian philosopohy" is really about keeping government out of private business, then the Trump administration simultaneously taking equity stakes in private companies while at the same time telling private companies that they cannot specifically recruit untapped talent pools is asinine. I hear the counter argument "Well what about Asians in the NBA?"

Asian Nba Player

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Asian nba player' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

If an NBA team decided to go on a scouting mission to China to find more players like Yao Ming, so what? (It's not like Trump trying to bring in 600,000 Chinese students. But maybe some of them will be NBA players?)

You can't have it both ways. You can't say "The government shouldn't be dictating this" and then bitch and moan when diversity programs aren't being implemented by the government while at the same time giving a pass to actually socialism being implemented by President Trump in the name of...well whatever lame excuse he's using, and expect anybody to take you seriously.

 

[PAF]

I can sum it up quickly: the Left and the Right are useful idiots. That's why this country keeps getting deeper into the shitter rather than out of it.

And if some Skinhead like @Anti Federalist [or other] tries to push brainwashing shit on me that R's are somehow better than D's [or vice versa], well, he's the perfect example of my first sentence. Nationalists are in fact Communists when you get right down to it. North Korea is already that way, why not just go over there and leave me TF alone.

In my first sentence where I said "useful idiot" I forgot to include "hypocrite", so here's the addendum, and I quote; "Freedom absolutely for me but not for anybody fucking else."

 

[acptulsa]

In my first sentence where I said "useful idiot" I forgot to include "hypocrite"...

It gets forgotten because it goes without saying. The hypocrisy is what makes the idiots useful. Even an idiot can fight the corruption if he's wise enough to stay principled. I've seen it done.

 

[nikcers]

Its not national socialism its just democracy.

Democracy means the demos have the power in the country.

Its the system where common people rule.

Our country under previous governments was more and more becoming a corporatocracy.

Thats where the corporations rule.

So no Trump isn't giving corporations free money anymore he is buying stakes and he is stopping the corporations from censoring the common people or the "demos"

Some "libertarians" seem to be useful idiots for a corporatocracy or they are just role playing as libertarians.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[Working Poor]

I guess we should have voted in Kamala cause Trump is so terrible hind sight is 20/20

 

[acptulsa]

I guess we should have voted in Kamala cause Trump is so terrible hind sight is 20/20

I am so God damned sick of living in a country of 333,000,000 and being told there are only two citizens who could possibly run it and they're both completely crooked morons.

 

[jmdrake]

I guess we should have voted in Kamala cause Trump is so terrible hind sight is 20/20

I wonder what it will take before you let go of your false choice fallacy? Do you or one of your loved ones need to be grabbed up off the street by one of Trump's masked goons and physically abused first? For the black people who have been in the U.S. since slavery who got their doors kicked in and were illegally detained in their underwear, including children, because, supposedly, there were some Venezuelan gang members in the building, if any of them voted for Trump I'm sure they're rethinking their decision. It's ^this kind of abject stupidity that has been dragging this country down for generations. DONALD TRUMP CAMPAIGNED FOR HILLARY CLINTON IN 2008!!!! So why am I supposed to think he's somehow different from the Clintons?

I am so God damned sick of living in a country of 333,000,000 and being told there are only two citizens who could possibly run it and they're both completely crooked morons.

^This

 

[TheTexan]

I am so God damned sick of living in a country of 333,000,000 and being told there are only two citizens who could possibly run it and they're both completely crooked morons.

I ran for President in the last election so you had at least 3 choices

I may be crooked but I'm not a moron

 

[Snowball]

What's happening today has nothing to do with the -isms of the former White Christian European nations.

Let me present to you the current definitions.

Capitalism = Jewish gangsters take over the economy, then the government.
Communism = Jewish gangsters take over the government, then the economy.
Fascism = Result of either path above. Jewish gangsters take over the government and the economy, join them together.
Socialism = Jewish gangsters take over the government and economy, join them, but toss out some free doritos.

 

[nikcers]

former White Christian European nations.

Let that sink in.

 

[otherone]

"Hey. Maybe we can recruit from untapped talent pools to fill critical rolls in our company." like United Airlines did with its move to recruit more minority and women pilots is somehow "communism."

If the "libertarian philosopohy" is really about keeping government out of private business, then the Trump administration simultaneously taking equity stakes in private companies while at the same time telling private companies that they cannot specifically recruit untapped talent pools is asinine. I hear the counter argument "Well what about Asians in the NBA?"

You've missed the same point in two different threads.
As an employer, your job is to hire the BEST candidates, regardless of skin color, be they black, white, or orange. Reaching out to under represented demographics is great, providing they are the BEST candidates. "Leveling the playing field", in the name of "equity" is flat out communism.
The NBA is not racially motivated. Professional sports DEMANDS the best athletes compete. Business used to be the same. It made America great.
I'll just drop this here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...g-answers-air-traffic-control-entry-exam.html

 

[jmdrake]

You've missed the same point in two different threads.
As an employer, your job is to hire the BEST candidates, regardless of skin color, be they black, white, or orange. Reaching out to under represented demographics is great, providing they are the BEST candidates. "Leveling the playing field", in the name of "equity" is flat out communism.
The NBA is not racially motivated. Professional sports DEMANDS the best athletes compete. Business used to be the same. It made America great.
I'll just drop this here:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...g-answers-air-traffic-control-entry-exam.html

LOL. Dude you're proof that there is a sucker born every minute.

 

[acptulsa]

 

[Madison320]

Yeah. I coined a brand new term. I started to say "neo national socialism" but I'm not saying what I'm seeing are new skinheads. I mean something very specific. People who can be okay with Trump implementing ACTUAL communism / socialism in the form of the state taking an equity stake in major coporations but somehow think that private companies deciding "Hey. Maybe we can recruit from untapped talent pools to fill critical rolls in our company." like United Airlines did with its move to recruit more minority and women pilots is somehow "communism."

If the "libertarian philosopohy" is really about keeping government out of private business, then the Trump administration simultaneously taking equity stakes in private companies while at the same time telling private companies that they cannot specifically recruit untapped talent pools is asinine. I hear the counter argument "Well what about Asians in the NBA?"

Asian Nba Player

For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Asian nba player' themselves.

letmegooglethat.com

If an NBA team decided to go on a scouting mission to China to find more players like Yao Ming, so what? (It's not like Trump trying to bring in 600,000 Chinese students. But maybe some of them will be NBA players?)

You can't have it both ways. You can't say "The government shouldn't be dictating this" and then bitch and moan when diversity programs aren't being implemented by the government while at the same time giving a pass to actually socialism being implemented by President Trump in the name of...well whatever lame excuse he's using, and expect anybody to take you seriously.

I would think by definition any hiring diversity program means you are not hiring the best candidates.

 

[TheTexan]

I would think by definition any hiring diversity program means you are not hiring the best candidates.

JM likes to imagine that blacks is some untapped source of highly qualified candidates but if that were true they wouldn't need to set diversity targets and they would instead just send representatives to these HBCU's to hire them if they are good and not hire them if they aren't.

 

[jmdrake]

I would think by definition any hiring diversity program means you are not hiring the best candidates.

Well you would think wrong. I have explained this ad nauseam but there are no people so blind as those who refuse to see the truth. First you would have to believe that anti black racism no longer exists and that people are simply hiring "the best candidates" already. And yet black people who put simply put a white face and white sounding name on their Linked-In profile get more interviews with the exact same qualifications.



Also to believe your false narrative, you have to attack United Airlines for doing what conservative commentator Mike Rowe encouraged people to do over a decade ago. Mike Rowe was saying that rather than telling everyone to go to college, people should be encouraged to go after skilled trades that don't require a college degree. Becoming an airline pilot doesn't require a college degree. @Matt Collins, who I believe had a college degree in education, is now an airline pilot and he didn't get a college degree for it. He went to flight school. United Airlines, facing a pilot shortage, went to HBCUs and encouraged people to attend. But the candidates had to face the exact same testing and flight time requirements as anybody else. There is no intelligent way for you to make your argument with that backdrop except for circular reasoning. "Diversity programs must mean lowering standards so I'm going to pretend that's whats happening with any diversity program even if it doesn't lower standards." That's what you're really saying.

 

[TheTexan]

First you would have to believe that anti black racism no longer exists

Considering that I take pride in having a great deal of racism and I still hire black candidates if they are the best candidate for the role -- and I have indeed done that -- I would say that racism is not a significant factor impacting the success of blacks in professional environments.

I have not ever however hired a female candidate as they have never been the best candidate for the role. I was once provided an entire slate of female candidates (how does that happen? hmm. DEI.) and I rejected all of them. The HR team was not happy with me but they found actually qualified candidates and I did hire them.

 

[Madison320]

Well you would think wrong. I have explained this ad nauseam but there are no people so blind as those who refuse to see the truth. First you would have to believe that anti black racism no longer exists and that people are simply hiring "the best candidates" already. And yet black people who put simply put a white face and white sounding name on their Linked-In profile get more interviews with the exact same qualifications.

Either way the only thing I care about is that the hiring process is voluntary. And it's not voluntary because of the existence of anti-discrimination laws mainly from the civil rights act and also because of government funds for high DEI scores. And if Trump is using force that's wrong as well.

That being said I'm not buying that most these DEI programs are voluntary. Where I work I have to sit thru hours of videos every year on how not to micro-aggress against my co-workers. They've got to be spending millions on these videos plus there's a loss of productivity because it takes up employee's time. I don't believe for a second they are doing this voluntarily. It's either fear of lawsuits or some sort of DEI scoring to get government funds.

 

[jmdrake]

Either way the only thing I care about is that the hiring process is voluntary. And it's not voluntary because of the existence of anti-discrimination laws mainly from the civil rights act and also because of government funds for high DEI scores. And if Trump is using force that's wrong as well.

I've never seen any actual documentation of the federal DEI score myth that you and others throw around. But thank you for admitting that you don't really care about whether or not DEI actually leads to lower quality employees. United Airlines program was voluntary. The CEO, who was trans at the time, believed diversity was a good thing and he didn't need pressure from the government to promote it. On the other hand Trump has used government force to attack voluntary DEI.

That being said I'm not buying that most these DEI programs are voluntary.

So? I could care less about your personal beliefs.

Where I work I have to sit thru hours of videos every year on how not to micro-aggress against my co-workers.

Okay. Your company has the right to implement whatever training program it decides it wants to. That doesn't mean there was some phantom "government DEI score" behind it. But you only believe in private business having the right to do what it wants when it benefits you. I get it. Integrity is easy to talk about and difficult to live by.

They've got to be spending millions on these videos plus there's a loss of productivity because it takes up employee's time. I don't believe for a second they are doing this voluntarily. It's either fear of lawsuits or some sort of DEI scoring to get government funds.

....Or they faced a voluntary boycott like Target did once it gave into Trump forced anti DEI mandates and found out that a lot of its customers don't support Trump's BS. There have also been voluntary shareholder pushes for diversity.

Disney investors reject a proposal to withdraw from HRC's diversity index

Disney shareholders rejected an investor proposal to withdraw participation in the Human Rights Campaign's corporate equity index, which rates workplaces on lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender and queer equality.

www.reuters.com

Again, that's all free market. The question to ask yourself i, do you really believe in the free market?