The Alleged Ron Paul / Romney Silent agreement.

Cshelton21

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Seeing so much speculation around the possibility of a Romney / Paul alliance led me into some critical thinking. I'd like to share my thoughts and speculations on whats happening here. Mostly because I think this can spiral out of control in a heartbeat. My biggest fear is that Ron has a surge in the polls and the media uses a "Ron Paul is surging because he's backing Romney, and still not a serious candidate for the Nomination" meme to quell his surge and detour voters to another candidate like they did in the week prior to Iowa.

What we know:

Ron Paul has only attacked Romney in passing or as a package slam against the establishment choices. On many occasion Ron tosses Romney a bone on his work as a business man and Governor. This plays very well into the states rights and the message that states should be granted these kinds of powers so long as no funding or federal intervention is needed in enforcing the policies. Massachusetts health care package or "Romneycare" is often used as a bludgeon against Mitt. Despite the fact that he was exercising the will of his state. The states right's argument is why I believe Dr. Paul gives Mitt a pass on this one.

Romney has never gone after Paul. Point blank Romney needs us. this movement is a political phenomenon considering our candidate and his message. It's more than likely that Romney thinks he can somehow win us over. What I don't understand his how he plans to do that. He has been given many chances and openings on topics like the NDAA and Federal Reserve system. Both topics hold little concern to the republican base, so pursing those Paul votes would have been an easy way to score points with the R3volution and not hurt his primary poling. Yet he declined. I attribute this to his campaigns oversight. More than likely he'll pivot on one or both of the issues for the general if he's the nominee.

Romney thinks Paul isn't a threat. What I think Romney is trying to do is keep Ron right where he is until its too late for Paul to become the anti-Romney. It's possible that Romney isn't part of what we consider to be the evil part of the establishment. He just looks and smells the part of a corrupt politician because he flips and flops for every voting block placed in front of him. It's entirely possible that Romney doesn't believe in a single thing he's talked about this entire election season. And the establishment KNOWS that. And that's why they haven't fallen in "rank and file" behind him. This could possibly also explain why Dr. Paul hasn't gone for Romney's throat "Yet".

What I hope happens: The post 2008 Dow-Jones like spikes continues in the republican field polling. leaving Conservatives voters sea-sick from the front runner roller-coaster, Ron holds onto a strong second place in delegates right up until the convention amassing a good deal of speculation around his roll in the party. But a few weeks before the convention he condemns what the party has became, Drops out and picks up a 3rd Party Americans Elect, libertarian, or other 3rd party ticket. Ron charging into the general with a completely broken and disgusted GOP will pick up disfranchised dem's, a large majority of Indy's and the most important vote left. the "Anti-Obama" vote.

I'll end with this: Ron Paul is not working ANY kind of backroom deal with Romney, its simply just not in either of their interest to attack one another. And its certainly not in Paul's interest to make a deal after decades of fighting against them. While Romney may contemplate giving Ron or Rand something like chairman of the Federal Reserve or Secretary of the Treasury. Romney will inevitably awake to the cold hard hard fact that its...

No One But Paul
 
Although I suspect the two (Romney + Paul) have mutual respect towards each other, it seems to me that this whole theory is just lies by Santorum.
 
I'm sure there is no deal. It's always been about Paul trying to become the anti-Romney, or failing that to attempt a gambit for a majority of delegates. In the former case we want to knock out the other guys first, in the latter case have an at least three way race. He'll attack Romney when he needs to.
 
Although I suspect the two (Romney + Paul) have mutual respect towards each other, it seems to me that this whole theory is just lies by Santorum.

Santorum didn't cook up this media phenomenon. Someone smarter and with more influence, I think.
 
Santorum didn't cook up this media phenomenon. Someone smarter and with more influence, I think.


THIS

And it's going to get bad again when we start polling positively before super Tuesday.

Headline:

"Ron Paul has probably made a deal with the Romney Campaign, don't bother voting for him"
 
Rand and Ron Paul confirmed there's no back room deal today.

That confirmation may only serve to deflect the MSM from pressing on about the issue in an attempt to try to sabotage Ron Paul's campaign. While Rand and Ron could very well be correct, in politics I've learned to take some official statements with a grain of salt. But the Romney/Paul alliance I don't take as a mere "coincidence" ---YET!
 
they don't want him to poll well to begin with. They have even TAKEN HIM OUT of polls so he won't even be discussed. This is just their latest way of ignoring 'the thirteenth floor of the hotel'.
 
Do you think Romney is on board with this "conspiracy"? Even if the conspiracy is not true, I would think that Romney would capitalize on this to kick Ron out of the race.
 
they don't want him to poll well to begin with. They have even TAKEN HIM OUT of polls so he won't even be discussed. This is just their latest way of ignoring 'the thirteenth floor of the hotel'.

This is completely unrelated. I was staying with a friend in Toronto in a large apartment tower built in an Asian community. My friend being of Asian decent as well. When I asked about why the 13th floor was missing. He looked me dead in the eye's and said "We don't talk about the 13 floor, especially while on the elevator" with a 100% genuine look on his face. I had to Google it to figure things out.
 
how many goddamn romney/paul threads does there really need to be?

It's important to try and get out ahead of things before they become distraction on the main stage. This forum contribute to that effort.

So to answer your question. As many as it takes.
 
how many goddamn romney/paul threads does there really need to be?
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they don't want him to poll well to begin with. They have even TAKEN HIM OUT of polls so he won't even be discussed. This is just their latest way of ignoring 'the thirteenth floor of the hotel'.
^This

If this man believes there is a Paul/Romney alliance how could anyone think differently? :rolleyes: Of course all Paul supporters should agree with the Santorum push that this alliance is real. :p

me from the thread Tyler mentioned said:
Radio Interviewer asks Rand about the Rumor. Rand says it's misrepresented. His 1st choice is obviously Ron Paul and Paul Presidency, with Rand as an advisory role. He said when asked by a reporter, he replied it would be an "honor" if nominated as Romney VP, the same as if someone is honored to be nominated for an academy award. That story has now been overblown.

The Paul strategy is to acquire delegates. Paul may have won Iowa and Maine delegates. This is the unwritten story. He doesn't like the misrepresented story of the Romney alliance.

Based on the comments I see on facebook, Rand pretty much put clarified that it's not going to happen. The top comment so far (44 likes):

This will be the 4th time I'm posting this...

Ron Paul doesn't make deals with neoCons.
Ron has stated that being a vice would be pointless because there is no real power in that position.
Of all the GOP candidate Ron is so different then Mitt this idea is laughable.
To be someones vice you at least have to endorse them. To endorse them you have to agree with their positions. If Ron endorse Mitt he would loose his consistency and his integrity.

If you know anything about Ron Paul you would not even humor this notion. The Same Goes For Rand!
21 minutes ago

No surprise there but nice to see that the Pauls as well as the Official PCC (via Doug Wead) are moving proactively to quell this ludicrous "Romney buddy movie" tripe. Hopefully the whole grassroots will get back to supporting Rons bid for the whitehouse now rather than speculating on this media shell game.


Ron Paul doesn't make deals with neoCons. <--- this says it all, and it's something that anyone who's read Dr. Pauls voting record knows to be factual.

Or take it from the man himself
 
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It's important to try and get out ahead of things before they become distraction on the main stage. This forum contribute to that effort.

So to answer your question. As many as it takes.


let this be the end of all of this damn romney/paul speculation

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/2012/02/24/vp-rand-paul-and-the-imaginary-romneypaul-connection/

“VP” RAND PAUL AND THE IMAGINARY ROMNEY/PAUL CONNECTION
The media speculation about some supposed cooperation between the Ron Paul campaign and Mitt Romney has gotten completely out of hand. Ron Paul is running for President of the United States. His son, Sen. Rand Paul, is supporting his father’s run for President of the United States. That’s all that’s going on here. There is no secret “conspiracy.” During a radio interview this morning in Chicago, Sen. Paul said:

“If there’s a secret deal they’re keeping it secret from me, I think that’s mostly internet chatter and fun for people to speculate on…”

Speculative fun is exactly right. Sen. Paul explained his own views on the supposed Romney/Paul connection this morning, including his comments about being “honored” if he were to be considered as the GOP vice presidential nominee:

I think the story kind of got misrepresented, because you know when I was asked, every time I’m asked these kind of questions, these are hypothetical questions, I always say you know what? I still have my first choice in the race and that’s Ron Paul. My first choice would be a Ron Paul presidency and my first choice for a position would be an unofficial adviser to a Ron Paul presidency…

But when they push and push and push, and say ‘What about Romney? Would you do it?’ I mentioned that it would be an honor, and what I meant by that is sort of like if you were nominated for an academy award, what’s your response? You’d say “It’s be an honor to be nominated’ and so I think it would be silly for me not to say that if anybody considered me that I’d be honored by it, but I think it was somewhat overblown, it sort of fits into this sort of cabal that people write about…

That there’s this big strategy between Ron Paul and Romney, really the Ron Paul strategy as far as I’m aware of it is to gather delegates and to try to win, and one of the unwritten stories really is that Ron Paul may have already won a couple of states but people haven’t realized it because the delegates haven’t been allotted in Iowa yet, and we still think there’s an reasonable chance we can win Iowa we they count the delegates, we think there’s a reasonable chance we can win Maine when they count the delegates, and this is sort of an unwritten story that’s out there, and also why I don’t like the story out there that somebody’s trying to angle for some other position other than I’m just trying to help my dad at this point…


We have an election to win and we're up against the establishment, let's cut the speculative chit chat.
 
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It really annoys me that this is even coming up in speculation. Anyone who has followed Ron for even a short amount of time knows that there is NO WAY he would ever make some sort of deal like this. It would be completely out of character and I hate that it's detracting focus from the important things.
 
THIS

And it's going to get bad again when we start polling positively before super Tuesday.

Headline:

"Ron Paul has probably made a deal with the Romney Campaign, don't bother voting for him"

This.

It taints Ron Paul & takes away the legitimacy of his candidacy.

They are hoping Paul supporters will give up, go away OR fall in line and vote for Romney (cause since they've said Ron Paul is his bud, Romney "can't be that bad".)
 
Being Romney's VP is endorsing Romney.

Which would mean endorsing the immoral, illegal covert wars, torture, assaults on liberty and the unconstitutional murders of Americans and Foreigners Romney supports.

Won't happen.
 
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