Thanks Anti-Vaxxers. You Just Brought The Measles Back to NYC.

[heavenlyboy34]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...ers-you-just-brought-back-measles-in-nyc.html







[mod delete] The GOP would like to thank to everybody who consistently attaches this nonsense to the liberty movement.

Is that better or worse than "9/11 troofers" and Alex Jones?

 

[heavenlyboy34]

So, the Pro-Vaxxer's position is "for the children". Sounds like an argument the O administration might make.

Or the anti-war movement. Or the anti-FED movement. Or a number of others. So?

 

[TaftFan]

It could be due more to un-vaccinated immigrants. Although, still the same basic issues.

 

[donnay]

"How does polio spread?

Poliovirus is very contagious. The virus lives in an infected person’s throat and intestines. It spreads through contact with the feces (stool) of an infected person and through droplets from a sneeze or cough. You can get infected with polio if you have stool on your hands and you touch your mouth. Also, if you put objects, like toys, that have stool on them into your mouth, you/your baby can get infected.

An infected person may spread the virus to others immediately before and usually 1 to 2 weeks after developing symptoms.*The virus may live in an infected person’s feces for many weeks. It can contaminate food and water when people do not wash their hands."


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/fs-parents.html



It seems to me, the best way to avoid polio is to stay away from other peoples feces.

Now if I could just find the graph of polio infection going down for years, cut off that part, insert an arrow of the polio vaccine being introduced, and fail to mention the definition being changed at the same time, I could probably convince many that the magic shot saved the world.

http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html

 

[donnay]

Not just you. You need everybody not to touch their own or other feces too since once they touch it, they can be a carrier and deposit the virus on surfaces they touch. Desks, doorknobs, stair rails, everything.

Oh yeah - don't breath air near anybody either. From your own post:


That can linger in the air for a long time after the person passes so just don't go where any people have gone, don't touch anything anybody else has touched- including food, breath any air, and don't touch your own poop (even accidentally)-and may be you will be safe. Or get vaccinated.

A healthy immune system will also fight it off. Vaccine suppress your immune system--it leaves people vulnerable for a lot of things.

Vaccines and Immune Suppression
http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mercola.html

Vaccines and Immune Suppression
http://vran.org/about-vaccines/general-issues/doctors-speak/vaccines-and-immune-suppression/

Report: Vaccines and Immune Suppression
http://preventdisease.com/news/articles/vaccines_and_immune_suppresion.shtml

Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

Vaccines and the immune system
http://www.vaccineinjury.info/vaccinations-in-general/immune-system.html

 

[Zippyjuan]

The usual counter to that chart- India's vaccination program. In two years, they went from the largest number of cases in the world to virtually zero. 750 MILLION vaccinated a year (which is more than twice the entire population of the US). That was not due to hand washing and clean water- the only change was the vaccines. They still have problems with those (water and sanitation). They had a similar success rate with their measles vaccination program as well. Ron Paul has called the polio vaccine "a blessing" because he saw first- hand what polio can do to people. He had childhood friends die or be paralyzed by it.

It is easy to say we don't need vaccines anymore when we don't see what those diseases used to do when they were much more common- we don't see cases of them except extremely rarely- due to vaccination.

 

[donnay]

The usual counter to that chart- India's vaccination program. In two years, they went from the largest number of cases in the world to virtually zero. That was not due to hand washing and clean water. They still have problems with those. They had a similar success rate with their measles vaccination program as well.

Yes because they keep on changing the name--same symptoms different name.

Bill Gates’ Polio Vaccine Program Caused 47,500 Cases of Paralysis Death
http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/08/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47500-cases-of-paralysis-death/

47,500 paralysis cases after polio vaccine
http://avn.org.au/2012/05/47500-paralysis-cases-after-polio-vaccine/

 

[MelissaWV]

"How does polio spread?

Poliovirus is very contagious. The virus lives in an infected person’s throat and intestines. It spreads through contact with the feces (stool) of an infected person and through droplets from a sneeze or cough. You can get infected with polio if you have stool on your hands and you touch your mouth. Also, if you put objects, like toys, that have stool on them into your mouth, you/your baby can get infected.

An infected person may spread the virus to others immediately before and usually 1 to 2 weeks after developing symptoms.*The virus may live in an infected person’s feces for many weeks. It can contaminate food and water when people do not wash their hands."


http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/fs-parents.html



It seems to me, the best way to avoid polio is to stay away from other peoples feces.

Now if I could just find the graph of polio infection going down for years, cut off that part, insert an arrow of the polio vaccine being introduced, and fail to mention the definition being changed at the same time, I could probably convince many that the magic shot saved the world.

How far is your toothbrush from your toilet and your sink?

 

[IBleedNavyAndOrange]

How far is your toothbrush from your toilet and your sink?

Arms length.

Are you suggesting I should have it covered and put away as to avoid possible contamination?
Good. Because its covered and put away.

Also, I don't let strangers deuce in my house.

 

[angelatc]

"

It seems to me, the best way to avoid polio is to stay away from other peoples feces. .

Actually, the best way to avoid polio is to get the vaccine.

Now if I could just find the graph of polio infection going down for years, cut off that part, insert an arrow of the polio vaccine being introduced, and fail to mention the definition being changed at the same time, I could probably convince many that the magic shot saved the world.

India alone proves that theory - that it goes away all by itself - is pure bullshit.

 

[angelatc]

Is that better or worse than "9/11 troofers" and Alex Jones?

They're the same people, so it is sort of a moot point.

 

[angelatc]

I disagree. Emphatically.

Well then, vaccines are good because God gave us the power to rule over all creatures, including bacteria and viruses.

 

[angelatc]

In pure numbers, the count of people who got the vaccine but were not effectively vaccinated as a result dwarf the number of people who didn't get the vaccine at all.

So... if you're casting blame, cast it at the vaccine makers and those who administer them, because they've done a shit job.

I'd love to address that, but since you didn't actually provide a source, I'm going to assume it's just more bullshit.

 

[angelatc]

A much bigger problem than people getting vaccines or not, is the problem that people think they can or should be able to force others to do what they want.

Sure, but this intentional lying about vaccines is what eventually gives the government the support to just up and mandate them. They're crying wolf which weakens the freedom position.

 

[Deborah K]

Well, the arm-to-arm method spreads syphilis, so I'm not sure how you think they should be produced.

I think that's what we call cognitive dissonance then. http://www.scientificamerican.com/a...g-in-heels-even-after-receiving-medical-info/

LOL, that's funny, although I never suggested the arm to arm method. I'd be happy if they weren't creating vaccines using diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines and not putting crap in the vaccines, it's not just the mercury I'm worried about. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm

You call it cognitive dissonance, I call it a healthy suspicion of all things concerning big pharma/FDA/revolving door. (Btw Angie, I know you're okay with all that, but I just ain't. )

Which is why herd immunity is important. Because we don't have mandatory vaccines, you were able to stop the series without special permission from the government. Those days are rapidly coming to an end, I'm afraid.

I'm not convinced that it is due to "herd immunity". My youngest daughter's children's pediatrician supports a parent's choice not to vaccinate. I suspect there are many in the medical field who feel the same, and that may have an influence on policy.

The fact that the anti-vaxxers are tying themselves to the freedom movement, you mean? What evidence would you accept?

You mean because some of us, who have been here from the beginning, are wary of big pharma and rightly so?
I would accept one article from a credible source where the GOP are tying anti-vaxxers to the freedom movement. Otherwise, this is just a straw man.

Yeah, me neither, and because so many people complained, and rightly so, it's my understanding that they no longer use thimerosal as a preservative in the majority of vaccines. Even with pets you have a choice. You can pay more for the vaccine and get one without thimerosal.

But then the question becomes: why was it in the vaccine in the first place, if it didn't need to be?

I guess it's just like any other agenda that is tied to the liberty movement. Whether that be 9-11 Trutherism, Constitution-hating, flag burning, America-hating, etc. To the extent that those types of things get stuck to the liberty movement, you have to know it reflects on it. Now, you will have to decide whether that is a good thing or a bad thing. I know what I think.

Surely you don't think we should walk in lock-step on everything. Is it really so bad if a small population w/in the movement believes something the majority doesn't? How can we call ourselves the "liberty" movement if we're trying to silence those we feel make a bad impression on the movement as a whole? And, since our movement has already been through this, it seems we need to find a better way to deal with it. Trying to belittle and silence those we see as an embarrassment is not the answer, in my flea-bitten opinion.

 

[Cleaner44]

Humans should have the freedom to choose to inject chemicals into their veins or not do so. The state should not be forcing people to inject vaccines or heroin or anything else. It is a personal decision and that is all that matters. People should have the liberty to make mistakes, whether that is means vaccinating or not vaccinating.

If the "vaxers" are mad at the "anti-vaxers" then I guess they just need to get over it, because the alternative is state force and that is not acceptable. There is no right to be inject others with chemicals. Freedom comes with risk and measles are a risk of a free society. I suggest the "vaxers" come to grips with freedom and liberty because the alternative of the state forcing vaccines is a much more dangerous alternative than any measles outbreak.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

Well then, vaccines are good because God gave us the power to rule over all creatures, including bacteria and viruses.

"Dominion" (the word used in Genesis) is not the same as "rule". For example, the God prohibits bestiality, but permits just about every other form of control over animals ("beasts" if you prefer). If we really "ruled" the animals, that qualification on "ruling" wouldn't be there. /end rant

 

[dannno]

India alone proves that theory - that it goes away all by itself - is pure bullshit.

Apparently they just changed the name of the disease.

 

[brandon]

I just got the TDAP vaccine last week. Apparently it's a newer one and they recommend it to protect babies from whooping cough. Glad to do my part.

On another note, my friends dog was just hospitalized with parvovirus. Hate to say it but it would have been totally preventable if he vaccinated his dog properly.

 

[donnay]

Educate before you vaccinate. Veterinarians love to push dewormers too. I use diatomaceous earth to naturally keep my dog healthy and worm free. Your dog's nutrition also plays a key role in having a healthy dog. Raw and organic diets with good vitamins, minerals and fats with clean filtered water and probiotics are also what their gut needs to stay healthy as well.

Pet Vaccine Myths
http://vran.org/about-vaccines/specific-vaccines/pet-vaccines-section/pet-vaccine-myths/

Vaccinating Dogs: What Your Vet Hasn't Told You
http://www.dogs4dogs.com/shots

Vaccinosis: Health Hazard of Routine Vaccination
http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/AnimalWellness/PetVacc.aspx

How to know the signs your dog's had a bad reaction to vaccines
http://www.katu.com/news/local/How-...had-a-bad-reaction-to-vaccines-192423741.html

Pet Vaccination Dangers
http://www.stoptheshots.com/

Vaccinations
http://www.holistic-pet-vet.com/vaccinations/