Ted Cruz: GOP could face 'bloodbath of Watergate proportions' on Election Day

[RJB]

Is it possible, in your view, for Trump to lose fairly, or will it necessarily be a matter of fraud if Trump loses?

What's very dangerous about this era is that the media that Democrats follow, broadcast that Trump can only win by cheating and that Trump is very active in that pursuit.

The media outlets that Republicans follow tells them the same about Biden.

I have seen contentious politics in the past, but I have never witnessed such mutual distrust in the system.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

What's very dangerous about this era is that the media that Democrats follow, broadcast that Trump can only win by cheating and that Trump is very active in that pursuit.

The media outlets that Republicans follow tells them the same about Biden.

I have seen contentious politics in the past, but I have never witnessed such mutual distrust in the system.

Likewise

The (important) differences between the parties have never been less, while the partisanship has never been greater.

It's just pure tribal hatred now; they live in different universes.

 

[Dary]

Michigan, a new public opinion poll released by EPIC/MRA indicated Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden leading Trump 48%-39%

No. I think not. Not in my hood.

 

[TheCount]

If Trump loses, all hell's going to break loose within the party; but, till then, everyone's going to play nice for lack of any viable alternative.

I think that all hell's going to break loose either way, tbh.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I think that all hell's going to break loose either way, tbh.

In terms of rioting and so forth, yes.

I meant the unity of the GOP. It'll survive if Trump wins. If not, it'll collapse (largely, I expect, because Trump will blame the party for his loss).

The people who have been loyally licking his boots for four years will become Deep State™ overnight.

See Chris Wallace.

 

[eleganz]

On another note, I have a question for you, if you'll indulge my curiosity.

Is it possible, in your view, for Trump to lose fairly, or will it necessarily be a matter of fraud if Trump loses?

Its very possible and imo the race is a toss up but leans in Trump's favor. And why would I say otherwise?

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Its very possible and imo the race is a toss up but leans in Trump's favor. And why would I say otherwise?

You being unable to read the tea leaves in an unbiased manner has little to do with how fair I think this is all going to shake out.

I'm looking at the polls, which, contrary to popular belief, were pretty accurate last time. They show an overwhelming Trump loss. If the election were held today, I have zero doubt that Trump would lose and lose badly. NOW, the election isn't today, of course, and the polls may well tighten or even reverse in the next couple weeks; who knows? I do think he'll lose, because I don't see an obvious catalyst for changing the narrative in his favor, and that's how I'd bet if I were forced to bet, but we'll see.

In any event, why I ask you this is that an awful lot of pro-Trump people, Trump himself par excellence, are taking the position that he can only lose because of fraud, which is insane. As [MENTION=962]RJB[/MENTION] points out, it's exactly the same in the Biden camp (but maybe a little less vocal, at the moment, since it looks like their guy's going to win). Back in 2016, I actually cared about who would win, because I thought Trump would destroy the GOP as a platform for small government activism (check). Now, I really and truly don't care who wins. I'd like to see whatever outcome involves the least rioting and so on. That probably means a Trump win, actually, at least in the short-run, since the radical elements of the GOP aren't as organized as the radical elements of the Democrat Party and aren't prepared to start wrecking shit on November 4th. But I'll take a Biden landslide, big enough to stifle any plausible challenge, just as well.

 

[AngryCanadian]

I'm looking at the polls, which, contrary to popular belief, were pretty accurate last time. They show an overwhelming Trump loss. If the election were held today, I have zero doubt that Trump would lose and lose badly. NOW, the election isn't today, of course, and the polls may well tighten or even reverse in the next couple weeks; who knows? I do think he'll lose, because I don't see an obvious catalyst for changing the narrative in his favor, and that's how I'd bet if I were forced to bet, but we'll see.

In any event, why I ask you this is that an awful lot of pro-Trump people, Trump himself par excellence, are taking the position that he can only lose because of fraud, which is insane. As [MENTION=962]RJB[/MENTION] points out, it's exactly the same in the Biden camp (but maybe a little less vocal, at the moment, since it looks like their guy's going to win). Back in 2016, I actually cared about who would win, because I thought Trump would destroy the GOP as a platform for small government activism (check). Now, I really and truly don't care who wins. I'd like to see whatever outcome involves the least rioting and so on. That probably means a Trump win, actually, at least in the short-run, since the radical elements of the GOP aren't as organized as the radical elements of the Democrat Party and aren't prepared to start wrecking $#@! on November 4th. But I'll take a Biden landslide, big enough to stifle any plausible challenge, just as well.

It actually matters alot who wins this year if Trump losses and Democrats regain both houses in America, the GOP will take years of recovery.

But I'll take a Biden landslide, big enough to stifle any plausible challenge

A biden landslide how so? because on what polls were claiming? these same pollsters of 2016 were saying the same thing about Hillary.

 

[AngryCanadian]

duckies... Hillary thought she was surfing in on a "blue wave" but maybe THIS is the "BLUE WAVE"... that got hyped.

We shall see what happens on Nov. I do think these things about a blue wave could be nothing but another a hype do you honestly believe that people in blue states like NY who have the worst lockdowns would prefer Biden? and more control for the democrats over reopening of their economy? people are also leaving Calif.

 

[TheCount]

It actually matters alot who wins this year if Trump losses and Democrats regain both houses in America, the GOP will take years of recovery.

It might not ever recover, because the party would first have to agree on what, exactly, caused it to lose in the first place.


If Trump loses, if the GOP loses, will that be because they need to be more Trumpian, or less Trumpian?

 

[AngryCanadian]

Electoral College might be won by Trump but wins the popular vote.

 

[AngryCanadian]

It might not ever recover, because the party would first have to agree on what, exactly, caused it to lose in the first place.


If Trump loses, if the GOP loses, will that be because they need to be more Trumpian, or less Trumpian?

Lets not forget majority of these so called polls never call or contact the silent majority which have given the Trump win in 2016. They have made admitted that a silent majority does exist.

If Trump losses China will be very happy.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

It actually matters alot who wins this year if Trump losses and Democrats regain both houses in America, the GOP will take years of recovery.

Why would I care about the fate of the GOP?

A biden landslide how so? because on what polls were claiming? these same pollsters of 2016 were saying the same thing about Hillary.

The polls now don't just show Biden up, they show him above 50% in a great many states.

There's a big difference between 47-41 and 52-46.

 

[eleganz]

I'm looking at the polls, which, contrary to popular belief, were pretty accurate last time. They show an overwhelming Trump loss. If the election were held today, I have zero doubt that Trump would lose and lose badly. NOW, the election isn't today, of course, and the polls may well tighten or even reverse in the next couple weeks; who knows? I do think he'll lose, because I don't see an obvious catalyst for changing the narrative in his favor, and that's how I'd bet if I were forced to bet, but we'll see.

I do believe you're looking at polls. Merely looking at 53-46 doesn't mean anything. Go look at the party sampling. They're over sampling democrats +13 assuming there is going to be a record amount of democrat voters while not realizing shutting down the country will destroy their college voter base.

If you want to think Biden is leading anywhere from +10-17, go ahead, your brain, your delusion.

Like I said earlier, if that were true, he'd be flipping Texas and targeting new red states that democrats never dreamed of even a year ago. Don't be a sucker to your own biases.

 

[AngryCanadian]

Why would I care about the fate of the GOP?



The polls now don't just show Biden up, they show him above 50% in a great many states.

There's a big difference between 47-41 and 52-46.

The polls now don't just show Biden up, they show him above 50% in a great many states.

Yeah like NYTimes had Hillary with 95 or 70% chance of winning the election in every state to. Many of these pollsters arent honest. And how many of those so called pollsters who call the pollster will actually vote the same as they claim or if they are honest?

Why would I care about the fate of the GOP?

Riots wont stop, the left will allow BLM to be pushed everywhere, SJW issues will be pushed.
It wont stop. The democrats will never criticize rogue countries whatever be China or not. America wont survive economically for four years with Biden as if his another FDR who ruined America.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

I do believe you're looking at polls. Merely looking at 53-46 doesn't mean anything. Go look at the party sampling. They're over sampling democrats +13 assuming there is going to be a record amount of democrat voters while not realizing shutting down the country will destroy their college voter base.

If you want to think Biden is leading anywhere from +10-17, go ahead, your brain, your delusion.

Like I said earlier, if that were true, he'd be flipping Texas and targeting new red states that democrats never dreamed of even a year ago. Don't be a sucker to your own biases.

He's not winning +10, let alone +17, in any of the swing states, so I don't know what strawman you're attacking.

Here are the current RCP averages:

MI +7.2
PA +7
WI +6.3
AZ +3
FL +2.7

He only needs to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to win the election.

North Carolina, Ohio, and Iowa are also very much in play.

Trump has a very narrow path.

 

[AngryCanadian]

He's not winning +10, let alone +17, in any of the swing states, so I don't know what strawman you're attacking.

Here are the current RCP averages:

MI +7.2
PA +7
WI +6.3
AZ +3
FL +2.7

He only needs to win Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin to win the election.

North Carolina, Ohio, and Iowa are also very much in play.

Trump has a very narrow path.

Again i do believe Trump voters or possible voters would be afraid to show up on the polls without being exposed by the pollsters "Hey we got a trump supporter here"

I remember on social media in 2016 one person who said they lied to a pollster that he was going to vote for Hillary but he went and voted the other way around.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I think that all hell's going to break loose either way, tbh.

Nah, never happen.

The right does nothing but talk.

An honest win or clear bullshit by the Marxist left does not matter, they, "we", won't do shit but grumble and complain.

A Trump win, especially a narrow Trump win, that's another story...watch the whole country explode in that case.

The Marxist left knows violence in the streets, physical intimidation and guerilla warfare works, especially when waged against a weak, enstupidated, demoralized and befuddled opponent that lacks the courage of its convictions, like us.

Look for that violence to increase tenfold.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Again i do believe Trump voters or possible voters would be afraid to show up on the polls without being exposed by the pollsters "Hey we got a trump supporter here"

I remember on social media in 2016 one person who said they lied to a pollster that he was going to vote for Hillary but he went and voted the other way around.

There's probably some of that, but less than last time, with Trump support having been normalized.

Here's the real difference:

Last time, a lot of people took a chance on Trump because he was new (ooh, shiny new object); now, he's not new.

Last time, people (including some Dems) really hated Hillary; now, while no one really likes Biden, few hate him.

Add those together and it's very easy for Trump to lose those couple tens of thousands of votes by which he won last time.

He could pull it out, with a better debate performance, or whatever, but it's unlikely.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Last time, people (including some Dems) really hated Hillary; now, while no one really likes Biden, few hate him.

Biden's a can of Spam® in a suit to these people.

To many, it's a just a vehicle for Orange Man Bad.

To the remainder, it's a once in a lifetime chance to enact Marxist policy, either through Biden as empty vessel, or, more likely, removing him even before the inauguration.