Ted Cruz ally: Team Rand raising questions in Iowa about Cruz’s eligibility

this doesn't sound too far-fetched.

a rand paul supporter who doesn't think ted cruz is eligible to be president? maybe that's not common? but it's certainly not rare.

is that big a deal? no. it's his freaking opinion.
 
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Divide and conquer tactics. Note the story is provided without a shred of evidence.

And how does the Christie camp feel about Ted Cruz? No headlines on that?
 
There will be a few Cruz birthers among Rand voters just like there were a few Obama birthers among Ron voters. There's not a whole lot we can do about it. Hopefully the damage is minimal.
 
If Cruz is also canadian, he is ineligible.
if you read the arguments of the founders, they didn't want someone with dual-loyalties to be commander of the military.
 
If Cruz is also canadian, he is ineligible.
i'm pretty damn sure most canadians wouldn't want to stake any claim on this guy. but if they thought he had a chance-in-hell, they might accept certain blame for their own good.
 
just looked it up.
he is dual citizen.
ineligible.
of course, that doesn't really matter anymore.
people just do whatever the fuck they want regardless of the rule of law.
 
just looked it up.
he is dual citizen.
ineligible.
of course, that doesn't really matter anymore.
people just do whatever the fuck they want regardless of the rule of law.

I live in Texas and it was on our news last night that Cruz is giving up his Canadian citizenship.
 
The Constitution contains the term "natural born" for a US president. This term was used to prevent anyone with the possibility of having a foreign allegiance from becoming commander-in-chief of US forces, for obvious reasons (super fifth column, anyone?) A person with dual citizenship owes allegiance to both the US and the foreign government. They are required to obey the laws of both countries, which of course for a sitting US President would be disastrous to the US nation.

The term "natural born" is used to mean a singular allegiance to one and only one nation. Dual citizenship contradicts this.

(Note that it is unique that the US president is also the commander-in-chief, which entrusts the office of president with great power, so a concern of allegiance was on the minds of the framers of the Constitution. Senators and Representatives can be naturalized; the President cannot, because of the Commander-In-Chief power.)

All NATURALIZED citizens have to take an oath of ALLEGIANCE, to confirm they only have allegiance to the US and no other country. But this is not enough to fully repudiate possible allegiances to other countries.

So "allegiance" is the key here -- at the time of the writing of the US Constitution, "natural born" was a term carefully chosen to define that allegiance - it means having a singular allegiance that derives from one's having been born of the soil of the nation - in this case, the US nation. This results in a kind of "super-allegiance".
That is what the framers meant, and Constitutional lawyers have always recognized this to be the meaning.

So according to the Constitution, which explicitly and unambiguously uses with the term "natural born" when referring to qualifications for someone to be the US president, no, a US president cannot have dual citizenship. They must have that singular allegiance that can only be derived from having been born of US soil - "born here".
 
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I live in Texas and it was on our news last night that Cruz is giving up his Canadian citizenship.

that doesn't matter.
that is not what is required.
an agent of another state seeking to take control of our military, could easily do the same- without really renouncing that allegiance.
that is why the terms are so strict.
singular allegiance, from birth- in one of these states. owing no allegiance to any other country.
that person is eligible for president.
 
Santorum is much more likely to run than Cruz.

Here he says he wants to run as a "compassionate conservative" next time instead of pretending to be a fiscal conservative:
http://swampland.time.com/2013/08/12/santorum-eyes-repeat-run-in-2016/


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Of course a dual citizen isn't eligible to be President of the US. This is the US, not Canada. Someone should tell Cruz. My guess is he already knows but doesn't care about the rules at all. For him, it might just come down to controlling other people :(
 
just looked it up.
he is dual citizen.
ineligible.
of course, that doesn't really matter anymore.
people just do whatever the fuck they want regardless of the rule of law.
law only applies to mundanes. Mundanes do not enforce laws on their masters and they are too cowardly to even think this thought. My signature about the constitution applies here.
 
that doesn't matter.
that is not what is required.
an agent of another state seeking to take control of our military, could easily do the same- without really renouncing that allegiance.
that is why the terms are so strict.
singular allegiance, from birth- in one of these states. owing no allegiance to any other country.
that person is eligible for president.

Dude, you can cherry pick whatever facts you want to back up your assertions, the truth is, the founders weren't explicitly clear when they defined what a "Natural Born" citizen was.

Mike Church devoted an hour to this yesterday, backed up with some great research (as always) and as long as he renounces his Canadian citizenship, I find him completely eligible to be President of the United States.

The most cited law guide of the time the Constitution was ratified was Vattel's Law of Nature.
Read More...http://www.mikechurch.com/liberty-institute/the-constitution/how-the-founding-fathers-defined-natural-born-citizen/
 
Of course a dual citizen isn't eligible to be President of the US. This is the US, not Canada. Someone should tell Cruz. My guess is he already knows but doesn't care about the rules at all. For him, it might just come down to controlling other people :(

I don't get what the hostility towards Sen. Cruz is all about? I volunteered for his campaign in Texas, he has stood with Rand on every issue I can think of, he is a genius and is capable of delivering the freedom message to the older, religious types. He is without a doubt the 2nd or 3rd best Senator we've had in the last 20 years, yet you people continue to attack him like he's Lindsey Graham or Dick Cheney.
 
I'm more worried about Cruz's foreign policy than where he was born.

He has said he would never support a war without a congressional declaration, he opposed sending arms to Syrian rebels, he opposed our action in Libya, he has stood with Rand on Drone Policy & Domestic Spying, and he voted to cease aid to Egypt...

Seems like a pretty stellar record to me.
 
He has said he would never support a war without a congressional declaration, he opposed sending arms to Syrian rebels, he opposed our action in Libya, he has stood with Rand on Drone Policy & Domestic Spying, and he voted to cease aid to Egypt...

Seems like a pretty stellar record to me.

I agree he's good, and I give him much higher marks than many do here. But still, I could care less about the birther stuff. Hopefully our people stay away from playing up this crap. We can beat Cruz on merit.
 
I don't get what the hostility towards Sen. Cruz is all about? I volunteered for his campaign in Texas, he has stood with Rand on every issue I can think of, he is a genius and is capable of delivering the freedom message to the older, religious types. He is without a doubt the 2nd or 3rd best Senator we've had in the last 20 years, yet you people continue to attack him like he's Lindsey Graham or Dick Cheney.

I am not attacking him, but he isn't anything close to the best or second best US Senator. He doesn't agree on Rand on everything but is pretty decent for a US Senator.
 
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I don't get what the hostility towards Sen. Cruz is all about? I volunteered for his campaign in Texas, he has stood with Rand on every issue I can think of, he is a genius and is capable of delivering the freedom message to the older, religious types. He is without a doubt the 2nd or 3rd best Senator we've had in the last 20 years, yet you people continue to attack him like he's Lindsey Graham or Dick Cheney.

He's been a good Senator so far but his personal background is troubling to me and it's not even related to his citizenship status. I have serious issues with putting a Goldman Sachs executive in the WH.

The 2016 general election is well over 3 years away and this stuff is already getting coverage. The media loves that campaigns are practically 4 year endeavors now and they're going out of their way to start things like this. Clicks and views mean $$$.
 
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