Tea Party Anger at Michele Bachmann Explodes over Patriot Act Votes

[Bergie Bergeron]

The really inexplicable one was voting against the motion to recommit which would have required the Patriot Act be implemented in accordance with the Constitution and would have fast tracked Constitutional challenges for review. How can you say you stand for the Constitution and vote against that? But then, I have the same question for Amash.

Ask him on Facebook, he'll answer.

 

[sailingaway]

he's a fiscal conservative except when it comes to overseas stimulus spending.

lol!

That's a pretty big hole in the bucket.

 

[Sola_Fide]

It is encouraging to see those comments guys...you have to admit!

 

[rp08orbust]

As has been stated before, Republicans are expected to vote with their party on procedural votes. Her actual vote in favor of the Patriot Act is all that matters.

Surely there are boundaries to his party loyalty on procedural votes. What if he could have prevented the Federal Reserve Act from passing by bucking his party and supporting a motion to recommit? It seems to me that killing the Patriot Act just wasn't a high enough priority for him.

 

[Brett85]

Surely there are boundaries to his party loyalty on procedural votes. What if he could have prevented the Federal Reserve Act from passing by bucking his party and supporting a motion to recommit? It seems to me that killing the Patriot Act just wasn't a high enough priority for him.

They didn't have the votes to stop it anyway. If he actually had the power to kill the Patriot Act through some procedural move he would probably do it. But as it is, I don't think he wants to lose committee assignments in order to please hardcore libertarians.

 

[low preference guy]

They didn't have the votes to stop it anyway. If he actually had the power to kill the Patriot Act through some procedural move he would probably do it. But as it is, I don't think he wants to lose committee assignments in order to please hardcore libertarians.

So if someone supports the Fourth Amendment he is a hardcore libertarian? Geez.

 

[Live_Free_Or_Die]

Why are the political cheerleaders upset? Did they actually expect elected rulers to do what they say? ROFLOL. Shame on they... Yes shame on they because it is only shame on you the first time and this ain't the first time...

Stop moaning and go clean up your pom pom's for the next election so you can elect another ruler who won't do what they say....

 

[sailingaway]

Why are the political cheerleaders upset? Did they actually expect elected rulers to do what they say? ROFLOL. Shame on they... Yes shame on they because it is only shame on you the first time and this ain't the first time...

Stop moaning and go clean up your pom pom's for the next election so you can elect another ruler who won't do what they say....

Ron does. And if Ron can, they all can.

And should.

 

[Brett85]

So if someone supports the Fourth Amendment he is a hardcore libertarian? Geez.

No, I support the 4th amendment and oppose the Patriot Act. I was talking about people who want Justin to vote "no" on every one of these procedural votes just for the heck of it.

 

[low preference guy]

No, I support the 4th amendment and oppose the Patriot Act. I was talking about people who want Justin to vote "no" on every one of these procedural votes just for the heck of it.

They don't want him to vote "for the heck of it". That's like saying that it doesn't matter if some senator voted for the bailout because it was going to pass anyway. Voting against it would've been just "for the heck of it".

 

[Brett85]

They don't want him to vote "for the heck of it". That's like saying that it doesn't matter if some senator voted for the bailout because it was going to pass anyway. Voting against it would've been just "for the heck of it".

Maybe you should convince Justin to vote against his party on procedural votes so that he'll lose all of his committee spots. This whole conversation is ridiculous when Justin voted against the actual bill TWICE. That is the vote that actually counts!

 

[low preference guy]

Maybe you should convince Justin to vote against his party on procedural votes so that he'll lose all of his committee spots. This whole conversation is ridiculous when Justin voted against the actual bill TWICE. That is the vote that actually counts!

You're changing the topic. I'm disputing your characterization that anyone who criticizes Justin is a hardcore libertarian. Any person, even someone who isn't a hardcore libertarian, could rightly ask him to use all his votes to protect at least the entire Bill of Rights. Asking him to defend the Constitution he swore to defend doesn't mean one is a hardcore libertarian, not even a libertarian.

 

[Brett85]

You're changing the topic. I'm disputing your characterization that anyone who criticizes Justin is a hardcore libertarian. Any person, even someone who isn't a hardcore libertarian, could rightly ask him to use all his votes to protect at least the entire Bill of Rights. Asking him to defend the Constitution he swore to defend doesn't mean one is a hardcore libertarian, not even a libertarian.

I don't think you understand what I originally meant. Justin has protected the entire bill of rights by voting against the Patriot Act twice. I praised him for doing this. These were the actual votes that counted. I don't think that people should criticize Justin when he was one of only 27 Republicans who voted AGAINST the Patriot Act. How about if we criticize the over 200 Republicans who voted for it?

 

[low preference guy]

I don't think you understand what I originally meant. Justin has protected the entire bill of rights by voting against the Patriot Act twice. I praised him for doing this. These were the actual votes that counted. I don't think that people should criticize Justin when he was one of only 27 Republicans who voted AGAINST the Patriot Act. How about if we criticize the over 200 Republicans who voted for it?

Those are all valid points but the statement that those who criticize him are necessarily hardcore libertarians who want him to oppose the vote "just for the heck of it" is false.

 

[sailingaway]

But Bachman had Scalia in to lecture on the Constitution but voted for the Patriot Act. Boo, Michelle!!

 

[Pericles]

But Bachman had Scalia in to lecture on the Constitution but voted for the Patriot Act. Boo, Michelle!!

Failed the course, so it will have to be repeated in the hope of a better result.

 

[TruckinMike]

But Bachman had Scalia in to lecture on the Constitution but voted for the Patriot Act. Boo, Michelle!!

Yeah, and Scalia Gave us "reasonable regulation" in the Heller decision -- Just another traitor.

TMike

PS- and you're right about Amash, I made a post a couple days ago on that point.

 

[qh4dotcom]

A Facebook comment I read

Is Michelle going to force us to coin a new term - TINO (Teapartier in name only)?

 

[dbill27]

wow, i just looked at her facebook page and started going through comments. An amazing number of pro ron paul comments flooding her page. Thats how you get more voters! I also saw a few people who posted things in favor of a paul/bachman ticket, as crazy as that sounds dont attck those people with anti bachman messages just let them be, we need all the support we can get

 

[Arion45]

I wonder when people will understand that government does not work. Force will never work.