Taking things from white people

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/TooWhiteToTweet/status/1802774537689255966

 

[acptulsa]

Better yet, let the GOP die on the vine like the Tories are now doing in the UK, and let a true nationalist/populist party rise up to, for the first time in over 50 years, unabashedly and vigorously advocate for the best interests of white people and our posterity.

Not a chance. In order for that to happen, people have to stop playing their fan fiction mind games like, oh, maybe this admittedly unprincipled clown really loves this nation and the people in it and isn't just in it for the attention and the grift. Maybe he will keep this one promise and keep someone with a lick of sense close enough to have his ear, and the drunken monkey will do something right for once.

All of it is all wishful thinking and pure naivete, but...

It doesn't really matter.

They'll still vote for him anyway - or for whomever they replace him with.

 

[Anti Federalist]

Put. Them. Back.

https://x.com/contramordor/status/1803069504789926158

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1803181828833980766

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/AFpost/status/1803212784802361616

“It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/FrankDeScushin/status/1803048126145532162

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/i/status/1803315451180777886

 

[jmdrake]

https://x.com/AFpost/status/1803212784802361616

“It is not true that all creeds and cultures are equally assimilable in a First World nation born of England, Christianity, and Western civilization. Race, faith, ethnicity and history leave genetic fingerprints no ‘proposition nation’ can erase." -- Pat Buchanan

So that means I'm still suffering the trauma from slavery?

 

[Anti Federalist]

So that means I'm still suffering the trauma from slavery?

Yes, exactly right.

Which is why integration and diversity will never work.

Especially in a proposition nation like ours, where the central political proposition, which is supposed to bind us together, has been utterly shredded and discredited as nothing more than dead white male slave holder claptrap.

 

[CaptUSA]

...discredited as nothing more than dead white male slave holder claptrap.

At the height of slavery in the US, less than 2% of the white population in the Southern states owned slaves. In the total US, it was closer to 1%. Elites across the globe held slaves, regardless of race. Is there any wonder how this black/white narrative ever took hold rather than an elitist/populist narrative?? The same thing is happening today, but we're still focused on the COMPLETELY wrong narrative!

 

[Anti Federalist]

https://x.com/iamyesyouareno/status/1803414891941732399

 

[Anti Federalist]

At the height of slavery in the US, less than 2% of the white population in the Southern states owned slaves. In the total US, it was closer to 1%. Elites across the globe held slaves, regardless of race. Is there any wonder how this black/white narrative ever took hold rather than an elitist/populist narrative?? The same thing is happening today, but we're still focused on the COMPLETELY wrong narrative!

You're citing facts and using logic in a world where facts and logic have been dismissed as white supremacy.

The "genetic fingerprint" that Buchanan talked about thirty years ago, and now seems to have medical proof of such, will never allow blacks to dismiss white European slavery, even when you consider that white Europeans are who ended global chattel slave trading.

 

[CaptUSA]

You're citing facts and using logic in a world where facts and logic have been dismissed as white supremacy.

The "genetic fingerprint" that Buchanan talked about thirty years ago, and now seems to have medical proof of such, will never allow blacks to dismiss white European slavery, even when you consider that white Europeans are who ended global chattel slave trading.

Well, I think the "medical proof" is dubious at best. And I also don't buy the narrative that white Europeans are responsible for ending legalized slavery as much as the Enlightenment ideals did. And yes, there is a strong correlation between the Scottish Enlightenment and white Europeans, but they just adopted the ideas earlier. The "race" shouldn't get credit for ending slavery any more than the "race" should get blamed for participating in slavery. It's the ideas that matter. And the idea that all men are created equal, regardless of class, was the most powerful idea to ever grace the human species. It not only ended legalized slavery but led to the exponential growth of human well-being and prosperity. We should be VERY cautious of turning our backs on those ideas! And that includes classifying individuals by their inherent group affiliations.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes, exactly right.

Which is why integration and diversity will never work.

Especially in a proposition nation like ours, where the central political proposition, which is supposed to bind us together, has been utterly shredded and discredited as nothing more than dead white male slave holder claptrap.

Actually you've just made the case for reparations. If someone is damaged the damage should be repaired. Integration and diversity have already worked so that's a non argument. Besides, if you did your own genetic history you're probably not pure blood anything. German, Italian, Dutch, etc are all "diverse." But there are communities that need to be repaired. America gave reparations to Nazi traitors (Ford and GM) who turned around and gave reparations to their Jewish WW 2 slaves. America also paid reparations to Japanese Americans for a few short years of interment and loss of property. But the other week an Oklahoma court denied reparations to two survivors of the Tulsa ethnic cleansing (yes, well over 100 years old), for reasons I don't know as I haven't read the case. Reparations are typically a legislative remedy anyway so that's probably why they lost. The other thing that you've proven is the Brandon Johnson speeches you highlighted may have a basis in reality. If there is "genetic trauma" then it's okay to blame black people's problems on white racism. Note I didn't make these arguments. They just naturally flow from your genetic trauma argument. I think life is much more complex than pure genetics and even epigenetics (Fancy word for genetic memory). The problems are communal rather than individual. That's why I'm excited about what happened in Tangelo Park Florida. It was a community wide fix that happened without government intervention! I get it. You're probably worried when you look at the unqualified successful outcome of what happened in Tangelo Park that someone might think "Hey! Maybe the government could do that?" Well...the government could if it wasn't so inept and corrupt. But sometimes even inept and corrupt government get it right. I have been very pessimistic about the black democratically run government in Birmingham Alabama. Schools were failing. Crime was (and still is unfortunately) rampant. But, and I have to do more investigation to find out how this happened, in 2024, 91% of Birmingham public school third tested reading at grade level! Now, I have no idea how this happened. At the beginning of the 2023/2024 school year the mayor made news by complaining that 50% of third graders were truant and asked the DA to prosecute the parents, which the DA declined to do. I'm not sure how you go from 50% truancy the year before to 91% reading at grade level. But they did do some innovative ways to fight truancy. They entered low income parents who's kids had perfect attendance into a raffle for $300 towards rent or utilities. The result was a huge increase in students with perfect attendance! One could say "The parents should be making their kids go to school anyway" and they should, but that one $300 raffle was much cheaper than trying to prosecute the truant parents.

Anyhoo, there are real problems in the black community, but regardless of how we got here (genetic trauma from slavery, ethnic cleansing events after slavery, Jim Crow, red lining, the CIA bring drugs in, the war on drugs disproportionately being waged against black people, drop in church attendance, God being taken out of schools, no fault divorce, perverse welfare incentives for single motherhood, "urban renewal" purposefully destroying black communities, corrupt tax officials stealing property, corrupt banks stealing property, lead poisoning in water in places like Flint Michigan, gansta rap music being elevated of music with a conscious, fill-in-the-blank), the only real concern I have is where do we (my community) go from here? Anyway, that's all I have to say. Happy Juneteenth!

 

[Anti Federalist]

And the idea that all men are created equal, regardless of class, was the most powerful idea to ever grace the human species. It not only ended legalized slavery but led to the exponential growth of human well-being and prosperity. We should be VERY cautious of turning our backs on those ideas! And that includes classifying individuals by their inherent group affiliations.

Yes it is, along with ideas that came after that line, that the only legitimate purpose of government is to protect those rights and that the people hold the power to give or withhold their consent, and that they also have a right to overthrow a government destructive to those ends.

That idea came from white, western, European, Christian enlightenment.

It did not come from China, or Ghana or Persia or India.

Where would civilization get the idea, for the first time in human history, the individual is sacrosanct, having been made in the image of God?

And yes, we should be very careful about turning our backs on those ideals, which is why I reject people, in groups or individuals, that do not agree with those core "propositions". If we do not have the will to insist that people agree to these propositions, and that appears to be the case, then we should separate from them and they from us.

 

[jmdrake]

At the height of slavery in the US, less than 2% of the white population in the Southern states owned slaves. In the total US, it was closer to 1%. Elites across the globe held slaves, regardless of race. Is there any wonder how this black/white narrative ever took hold rather than an elitist/populist narrative?? The same thing is happening today, but we're still focused on the COMPLETELY wrong narrative!

How many Americans own oil wells? Does that change the fact that since WW2 America has dominated through the petrodollar? No. No it does not. The slave economy benefited more people than just the slave owners. There were the overseers. There were the people who owned the cotton gin. There were the slavecatchers. When the transatlantic slave trade was going on there were the people who owned the slave ships (a significant portion of them in the "small hat club" as [MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION] points out). There were the sailors on the slave ships. There were the textile manufacturers who bought and processed the cotton (some in the North and some in Europe). It was an entire economy that benefited from the same system. We go to war over oil (and don't pretend we don't) because our entire economy is dependent upon it. Gaddafi had made peace with the U.S. under George W. Bush and our first black president, Barack Obama, facilitated his overthrow and murder because Gaddafi wanted to get Libya off of the petrodollar. The only reason we aren't bombing Saudi Arabia right now is because the United States is weak and BRICS is strong.

You're citing facts and using logic in a world where facts and logic have been dismissed as white supremacy.

See above.

The "genetic fingerprint" that Buchanan talked about thirty years ago, and now seems to have medical proof of such, will never allow blacks to dismiss white European slavery, even when you consider that white Europeans are who ended global chattel slave trading.

You still don't realize you're destroying your own argument. Interesting.

 

[Anti Federalist]

the only real concern I have is where do we (my community) go from here? Anyway, that's all I have to say. Happy Juneteenth!

I've gotta get out the door, so I'll come back to the rest.

But that is all I am doing as well: asking where my community goes from here and what is best for my people?

It sounds weird and "racist" and so on, because for over fifty years now, all people, especially white people, have been taught that every other ethnic group can speak in those terms except white Europeans.

At any rate, enjoy the day!

 

[Anti Federalist]

You still don't realize you're destroying your own argument. Interesting.

On reparations?

How so?

I agreed to them in concept, with conditions.

It's just a matter of negotiations.

 

[jmdrake]

Yes it is, along with ideas that came after that line, that the only legitimate purpose of government is to protect those rights and that the people hold the power to give or withhold their consent, and that they also have a right to overthrow a government destructive to those ends.

That idea came from white, western, European, Christian enlightenment.

It did not come from China, or Ghana or Persia or India.

Where would civilization get the idea, for the first time in human history, the individual is sacrosanct, having been made in the image of God?

And yes, we should be very careful about turning our backs on those ideals, which is why I reject people, in groups or individuals, that do not agree with those core "propositions". If we do not have the will to insist that people agree to these propositions, and that appears to be the case, then we should separate from them and they from us.

Christianity went from the Middle East to Africa in the first century AD and Christianity was established as the official religion of Ethiopia about the same time that Constantine converted. Constantine was pagan, but Ethiopia was Jewish prior to Christianity. And Ethiopian Judaism had not been polluted by the Babylonian Talmud. (Probably why it was so much easier for Ethiopian Jews to convert). Meanwhile, you got your "rainbow tribe" from the Greek Spartans who, despite their bravery for standing up against the Persians, had a thing for little boys. Is that what you call "enlightenment?"

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[jmdrake]

I've gotta get out the door, so I'll come back to the rest.

But that is all I am doing as well: asking where my community goes from here and what is best for my people?

It sounds weird and "racist" and so on, because for over fifty years now, all people, especially white people, have been taught that every other ethnic group can speak in those terms except white Europeans.

At any rate, enjoy the day!

It's only racist if "doing for your people" requires you to mistreat someone else. I would have no problem with Larry Bird going to his old neighborhood and starting a "White people can play basketball too" camp. Institutions that blacks have set up to help ourselves have almost universally been open for everyone else. Whites were always allowed to attend HBCUs if they wanted to and if local segregation laws didn't prevent it. Black churches have always been open to white people.

And while Vanilla Ice got booed when he was nominated for best R&B single, he still got nominated and the did a biopic of him on BET.

https://www.bet.com/article/rg5mhf/vanilla-ice-is-getting-a-biopic



Meanwhile Eminem has been fully embraced by black people. (I still don't get that but okay).



But hey, go do something positive for white people. You won't get a complaint out of me. True story. I went to an overwhelmingly white Christian elementary school in the 1970s. I was elected to student government for my 7th grade year. One thing we did that year was raise money for Christmas gifts the poor kids in Appalachia. We were all supposed to go there to give out the gifts. At the last minute they asked me "Do you mind not going? We just don't have enough room in the car for everyone." Naive me was like "Sure. No problem." My mom (rest in Jesus), was like "They don't want those poor white kids seeing a black kid who's family has a lot more money than theirs." I was like "Naw. Couldn't be." It took me decades before I realized she was correct. So yeah, if you want to raise money for Appalachia let me know. I might even donate. And I'll be okay if there isn't room in the car for me to go in person.