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I guess if our point is to take over the GOP, we could first concentrate on taking over the RLC, then move up the ranks in the GOP and start ousting some of the fascist bastards.
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ARealConservative
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So, I guess we should start sending a link to this thread to the meet ups and to Digg.
people need to stop spamming meetup.
Sending a message to the group leader is meaningless. I get dozens of requests a day and ignore the majority of them. Even so - the last two people to unsubscribe - gave a reason of "too many emails".
While I'm in favor of trying to change the direction of the Republican party, I'm not in favor of aligning with the RLC. They appear to have done little within the party in the last few years. The people that I have met that are officers and members don't display the kind of passion and intellectual fortitude to lead this battle.
Well, you obviously haven't met me
! We actually have several of our endorsed candidates in the US House and Senate, as well as a couple governors. We of course would like to do more, but the problem is we don't have enough enthusiastic supporters yet. I'm working hard to change that, and you could be too. We have the framework and connections, we just need more supporters and passionate leaders. Instead of complaining about them, why don't you become one yourself?Perhaps this already established organization just needs some new blood, funds and enthusiasm. I subscribed for for a premium membership (whatever that is). I'm ready to convert the GOP from within, what do I do now?
Right now keep campaigning for Dr. Paul! When you have some other time research other candidates to see if you can find any libertarian Republicans in AZ. Convince libertarians to run as Republicans in AZ. Run yourself! Spreading the word about the RLC would obviously be a big plus too.
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I addressed this above.
So it appears we have TWO organizations to take over. RLC first, then the GOP. Got our work cut out for ourselves huh.
Make no mistake about it, paleo-libertarians are firmly in control of the RLC! We have a small number of neo-libertarians, however, they are mostly concentrated in NY and IL and can't affect much nationally. If we swarm those states with paleo-libertarians, they won't have any influence anywhere. Please read up on libertarian history if you're not familiar with these terms or see my earlier posts in this thread. Also, note that neo-libertarians disagree primarily on war policy and not much else. They're MUCH better than neo-conservatives.
You say that the neo-libertarians are mainly in NY, but the RLC supports guys like Robert Bennett (source: http://www.republicanliberty.org/candid/), who's from my home state of UT. Bob Bennett voted for the Patriot Act twice, for continuing in Iraq, against habeus corpus for Guantanamo, etc (source: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Robert_Bennett.htm). He does seem pretty free market, though, I'll give him that.
Hopefully, some of the others the RLC endorses have better voting records than my guy.
Anyway, I'm pretty torn with what to do after the election. Go back to the Libertarian Party (where they don't get anyone elected, but they have integrity), join the RLC (where their libertarian-nature is questionable at times), or give up and move out of the country or something.
If Ron Paul believes that the RLC should be the future vehicle of this revolution, at the end of the campaign he should publicly encourage us to join. Anything short of that and I fear we'll become too fragmented.
Hopefully, some of the others the RLC endorses have better voting records than my guy.
Anyway, I'm pretty torn with what to do after the election. Go back to the Libertarian Party (where they don't get anyone elected, but they have integrity), join the RLC (where their libertarian-nature is questionable at times), or give up and move out of the country or something.
If Ron Paul believes that the RLC should be the future vehicle of this revolution, at the end of the campaign he should publicly encourage us to join. Anything short of that and I fear we'll become too fragmented.
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Perhaps this already established organization just needs some new blood, funds and enthusiasm. I subscribed for for a premium membership (whatever that is). I'm ready to convert the GOP from within, what do I do now?
I'm ready to join, and noticed I'm not the only one confused on the above point.
What's the difference between the various memberships besides the cost?
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Oh, I definitely agree. It would be nice if publicly gave an endorsement of one road or another so Ron Paul supporters not on these forums have some direction if they decide to continue down this road.
On Bennet specifically, you'll not that he was NOT re-endorsed for the 2006 election cycle. Up until 2001, he had been a fairly libertarian voter, but for whatever reason that changed shortly after. He was giving a "free pass" of sorts for 2004, but once it was clear he was no longer libertarian he was dropped. As an organization, we're not perfect, nor do we pretend to be. However, the more dedicated and enthusiastic supporters we get, the more efficient and effective we'll be.
We need more dedicated paleo-libertarians. Please see my previous posts about endorsements within states including US House and Senate seats; dues paying members have a considerable say in who gets nominated, however, the paleo-libertarian national committee these days will reject anyone who isn't committed to libertarian ideals.
Whoa there. I joined just a short while ago, and didn't really start working for the RLC until after the Michigan primary.
As for what I've done for this campaign. I got a Ron Paul banner on ESPN Gameday in front of 3 million plus people, organized the University of Michigan Rally, the LARGEST rally for any Republican candidate in Michigan. I was Co-organizer of the Ann Arbor meetup and chair of the University of Michigan for Ron Paul, Ron Paul finished with 16% of the vote in Ann Arbor compared to the state average of 6%. I organized serveral major canvassing efforts and did it myself. And many, many more things. You maybe have done more for this campaign, but please to not insult everything I have done.
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I don't think it was meant as a personal dig, but towards RLC as an organization since you are representing the organization in this particular thread. Meaning that Ron Paul supported the organization, but when it came to an endorsement of Ron Paul, the organization didn't do it's part for whatever reason.
I cannot speak for every state. but in Michigan we helped lay the foundation for the Ron Paul campaign; the Michigan RLC also contacted its members in Michigan to ask them to join the Paul campaign. Many of our members (I was not one at the time) responded, and they were actually the beginning of the Ron Paul campaign in Michigan. Certain states are in better shape than others, but that is all the more reason we need fresh blood in those "weaker" states.
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