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Bump.
Take Over the GOP! Join the Republican Liberty Caucus, Ron Paul is a Member!
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Bump.
Step one is getting RP elected right NOW, not trying to save a floundering party by joining a questionable off- or in-shoot of it. We might want to fully abandon the GOP as heartless as it has been in some states. MI, LA, NH..many others. No one is our friend this year in the GOP as a rule.
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I agree. As far as I am concerned the GOP has not proven itself worthy of my support. I see the Republican party as a tool to get Ron Paul nominated. If we are not successful and one of the other candidates is their nominee the whole war mongering deficit spending lot of them can go tie a concrete block around their legs and jump into deep water.
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Thread attempt by the darkside to co-opt our members
This thread is nothing but an attempt by the darkside to co-opt our membership.
Reported.
This thread is nothing but an attempt by the darkside to co-opt our membership.
Reported.
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Good basic reading about the RLC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republican_Liberty_Caucus
Interesting that the RLC is officially "considered the libertarian wing of the Republican Party."
Note that we do have numerous Ron Paul Republicans running for Congress in 2008. The RLC could help out a good bit with timely endorsements and other PR support.
This is definitely worth the effort in the short-term and the long-term.
Interesting that the RLC is officially "considered the libertarian wing of the Republican Party."
Note that we do have numerous Ron Paul Republicans running for Congress in 2008. The RLC could help out a good bit with timely endorsements and other PR support.
This is definitely worth the effort in the short-term and the long-term.
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You really think you can convert these warmongering sob's?
Wheel spinning imho!
Hmmh, 57 posts maybe your one of those darksiders.
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I would normally echo your sentiments and practice extreme caution in approaching such a group. But the RLC is a fairly well-established organization that Ron Paul himself is a member of. Plus, it's not as if the Republican Party is co-opting us. More like, we're co-opting the Republican Party!
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I would normally echo your sentiments and practice extreme caution in approaching such a group. But the RLC is a fairly well-established organization that Ron Paul himself is a member of. Plus, it's not as if the Republican Party is co-opting us. More like, we're co-opting the Republican Party!
BR,
I think its best if we stay focused on the target of getting RP elected and leave the rest till after the campaign is done and dusted.
I for one have no intention of having anything to do with the Republican Party if they end up nominating McCain especially with the way the Party has treated the Good Doctor. I am really really really po'd at the GOP.
I would normally echo your sentiments and practice extreme caution in approaching such a group. But the RLC is a fairly well-established organization that Ron Paul himself is a member of. Plus, it's not as if the Republican Party is co-opting us. More like, we're co-opting the Republican Party!
Yes, that's exactly how it works. The relationship is fairly one-sided but in our favor, for a change!
I think we all should focus on Ron Paul first. My intention in posting this was mere to let people who would want to be a part of this thing know about it, so they could sign up now but do work after the Paul campaign has run it's course. I believe I've said as much in previous posts. My and and the national chairman have both said we really don't want any of you doing anything for us except signing up at this point! We all understand our efforts should be focused on Ron Paul. However, if you look at some of the state organizations, like the Texas one posted earlier, they've essentially turned themselves into temporary Ron Paul campaign teams.
In any event focus merely consider the RLC right now and focus all your efforts on getting Ron Paul nominated.
I'm not entirely sure about all the differences between levels, as I'm still relatively new. I'll get that information and post it here when I do.
This IS NOT an attempt to co opt anyone, except may the entire Republican Party to the cause of libertarianism! In Michigan, I dare say we supported (the organization I was not a part then) Ron Paul before the vast majority of you even knew who he was! We gave him a list of likely supporters from our database, and contacting these people were essentially the first actions the Paul campaign ever took in Michigan. The majority of activity chapters have been working hard for the Ron Paul campaign, so much so we've neglected the RLC itself for awhile, as it should be. Ron Paul is priority 1 right now. Personally, I am the head coordinator for the Ron Paul campaign in Washtenaw County, I organized and had the privilege of introducing Dr. Paul at the University of Michigan Rally. The President of the Michigan chapter was the materials and literature manager for the Ron Paul campaign in MI before our primary. Except for a few we're all extremely dedicated to the Ron Paul campaign and encourage everyone to continue to be.
The answer is some but definitely not a lot. The Republican Party leadership is aware of us at every state level and at least listens to us. They tend to view us cautiously, but seriously consider what we say and do. Right now, they don't feel too much pressure from us because they know we have a very limited amount of members. This would change quickly if every state chapter were to suddenly grow to a thousand members plus, which would take just one third of the number of donators to the Paul campaign.
At times we have been openly hostile to them. In Michigan, we were very critical of Saul Anuzis calling for the removal of Dr. Paul from the debates and pressured him to make sure Paul had a sport at the influential state Republican Leadership Conference on Mackinac Island. He eventually rescinded his statement of keeping Ron Paul out of the debates. Other people pressured him too, so it wouldn't be fair to take credit, but I hope that this gives you a general idea of the current relationship with the Republican Party proper.
I would expect them to become more cautious about us as we grow. However, one key detail is that they see as "legitimate" more so than an unaffiliated Ron Paul supporter. They understand we're voting Republicans and that we will take action if marginalized and ignored. They tend to think that they can marginalize Ron Paul supporters and need not worry as much because they expect them to disband. They understand that whatever they do to us, they will have to answer for because we're not going anywhere
You could also just as easily say "I have no intention of having anything more to do with politics if they elect McCain," or "I have no intention of having anything more to do with America..." By leaving the GOP you're not punishing "them" at all, in fact "they" would most likely prefer that you didn't show up at their meetings and oppose their agenda.
I'm just as upset as you about the current state of the GOP, however I believe that the thing to do is work to change it from the inside. The GOP along with it's platform, candidates, and policies are all controlled by its ACTIVE members. If enough of those active members want things changed then it will happen. The RLC seems like the perfect way to keep us organized, focused, and working within the system for maximum effect.
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I'm a member of the RLC and National Tax Payers Union.
It's true that either group could get infested- but it is also true that at the moment - this is a liberty orienated organization that isn't infested. The more of you that sign up, the more difficult it would be to overrun the membership.
I fully agree that we can't abandon the GOP - abandon the candidates they currently nominate for sure, but don't think you will find success as a third party.
If the GOP had there pick, they would prefer we abandon our efforts to take over the party and waste our time with the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party.
It's true that either group could get infested- but it is also true that at the moment - this is a liberty orienated organization that isn't infested. The more of you that sign up, the more difficult it would be to overrun the membership.
I fully agree that we can't abandon the GOP - abandon the candidates they currently nominate for sure, but don't think you will find success as a third party.
If the GOP had there pick, they would prefer we abandon our efforts to take over the party and waste our time with the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party.
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I am a member of the RLCIL Yahoo group. It is "owned" and moderated by a great guy, but we have more neocons than conservatives on the list right now.
I am working to change that.
My favorite conversation the other day, and I think there's inspiration here, involoved another poster wondering if the Ron Paul supporters would ever concede on any of their issues in order to affect change. NExt post was wondering if they would share any donor lists.
Seems that if we have the donors, they're the ones who need to make some concessions.
Some of the members truly disturb me. I asked if the GOP platform was wrong when it called for the abolition of the Department of Education, or if it was wrong now. I was told , by an RLC member, that he is an elected official to his local school board, and that before NCLB there were never any efforts to guage and improve student performance.
I soooo wanted to attack him on that, but I always get in trouble for being mean to the neocons, so I didn't.
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I am a member of the RLCIL Yahoo group. It is "owned" and moderated by a great guy, but we have more neocons than conservatives on the list right now.
What's the official position of the RLC on the war?
I am working to change that.
My favorite conversation the other day, and I think there's inspiration here, involoved another poster wondering if the Ron Paul supporters would ever concede on any of their issues in order to affect change. NExt post was wondering if they would share any donor lists.
Seems that if we have the donors, they're the ones who need to make some concessions.
Some of the members truly disturb me. I asked if the GOP platform was wrong when it called for the abolition of the Department of Education, or if it was wrong now. I was told , by an RLC member, that he is an elected official to his local school board, and that before NCLB there were never any efforts to guage and improve student performance.
I soooo wanted to attack him on that, but I always get in trouble for being mean to the neocons, so I didn't.
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DO you know how hard you have to work to double post on this board?
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