Supreme Court Justice Scalia dies on hunting trip

GunnyFreedom said:
Why, I can think of a dozen things right off the top of my head. NC CD 1 & 12 redistricting, Voter ID, bakeries who don't want to make gay marriage cakes, gun control, federal control over state voting districts, and so much more.

This is is a complete disaster.
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Yes, and that is arguably an understatement. The "pack the court with true constitutionalists" strategy has been failing for 35 years. Statists were better at packing it the other way, as half the GOP picks turned out to be disasters, while aging Democrat justices always made sure to stay on the bench until a Democrat won the office before retiring. It was only a matter of time before a Republican appointed justice passed away on a Democratic President's watch, and there goes the ball game.

There was an opening on the issue to outreach to social conservatives that Rand (and even Ron) did not exploit, namely, that the fixation of the Republican Party with foreign policy (or more bluntly, with starting wars) over the last twenty-odd years has cost it several Presidential elections, and thus the ability to make more appointments to the Court. Many won't dare vote GOP as a consequence, knowing that it almost certainly means still more hyper expensive, no-win wars based on lies in the Middle East, while de-prioritizing doing anything on abortion and other cultural matters. This point could have been raised to drive a wedge between the pro-war side, and many on the religious right who want to see action on their issues, and are willing to consider a new solution.

With the repacking the Supreme Court path now blocked off, liberty activists and candidates should persuade the social right to hold Congressional conservatives' feet to the fire, by demanding that they vote (as per the Constitution) to remove the jurisdiction of the federal courts to rule on issues like abortion and gay marriage, which would defacto return these issues to the states. This would get the federal government out of the issue and overturn the toxic social left case law over hanging these issues, and get us out of the "waiting for the magic five conservative or constitutional justices" rut we've been in for decades.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Vague platitudes won't save you from this one.
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I don't need saving, thanks.

The big picture is a straight line heading directly into complete totalitarianism. Nothing Scalia would or would not have done would have affected the trajectory.

To use your first example, I really don't see how the outcome of redistricting in NC matters in the big picture, not only because it's not a big enough deal to be significant, but also because the GOP/Democratic balance in Congress has made no difference in the march of tyranny.
 
thoughtomator said:
I don't need saving, thanks.

The big picture is a straight line heading directly into complete totalitarianism. Nothing Scalia would or would not have done would have affected the trajectory.
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Scalia, as arguably the only sincerely Constitutionalist SCOTUS Justice in my lifetime, has been slowing down the march to totalitarianism lo these last 25 years, helping to hamstring the tyrants in cases like DC vs Heller. The one who is missing the big picture is you, in your narrowly focused agenda laden "all government is bad government" ideology, you have missed the small handful of allies we actually have in the government who have actually worked to forestall the hammer from dropping.

To use your first example, I really don't see how the outcome of redistricting in NC matters in the big picture, not only because it's not a big enough deal to be significant, but also because the GOP/Democratic balance in Congress has made no difference in the march of tyranny.
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The question at the heart of the CD1 and CD12 matter is whether fedgov has the authority to force the states to racially gerrymander their voting districts, and whether districts can be drawn so far flung as to encompass completely different kinds of communities separated in space and time.

If you are unaware that one person can ultimately make a difference, then that failure is yours. GK Butterfield is a loony liberal wingnut progressive, and taking him out would be as effective as removing two ordinary Democrats. If we can replace him with a Constitutionalist it will be like removing 4 nominal Democrats. And do i really need to remind you what effect one man named Mel Watt, formerly of CD 12 had wrt Ron Paul's Audit the Fed?

The solution to getting raped by the government is not "roll over and enjoy it." I get it, you think it's pointless to fight back. Well I don't rightly GAF what you think, I'm gonna fight back. You can sit there on the sidelines jeering all you want.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Scalia, as arguably the only sincerely Constitutionalist SCOTUS Justice in my lifetime, has been slowing down the march to totalitarianism lo these last 25 years, helping to hamstring the tyrants in cases like DC vs Heller. The one who is missing the big picture is you, in your narrowly focused agenda laden "all government is bad government" ideology, you have missed the small handful of allies we actually have in the government who have actually worked to forestall the hammer from dropping.



The question at the heart of the CD1 and CD12 matter is whether fedgov has the authority to force the states to racially gerrymander their voting districts, and whether districts can be drawn so far flung as to encompass completely different kinds of communities separated in space and time.

If you are unaware that one person can ultimately make a difference, then that failure is yours. GK Butterfield is a loony liberal wingnut progressive, and taking him out would be as effective as removing two ordinary Democrats. If we can replace him with a Constitutionalist it will be like removing 4 nominal Democrats. And do i really need to remind you what effect one man named Mel Watt, formerly of CD 12 had wrt Ron Paul's Audit the Fed?

The solution to getting raped by the government is not "roll over and enjoy it." I get it, you think it's pointless to fight back. Well I don't rightly GAF what you think, I'm gonna fight back. You can sit there on the sidelines jeering all you want.
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AMEN!
 
Feeding the Abscess said:
Being obese is a health problem, being 79 is a health problem, and being obese at 79 is a serious health problem.
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And being someone more powerful than the President of the United States, when he is all in about a legacy that he transformed the United States into a third world nation, is also a health problem lol.
 
GunnyFreedom said:
Scalia, as arguably the only sincerely Constitutionalist SCOTUS Justice in my lifetime, has been slowing down the march to totalitarianism lo these last 25 years, helping to hamstring the tyrants in cases like DC vs Heller.
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GunnyFreedom said:
I never said Scalia was great. That's just your interpretation of my lack of hatred for him.
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Are there two people posting on your account?
 
GunnyFreedom said:
No. Unlike you, my mind is not comprised solely of the "Black and White fallacy."
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Your fallacy is:

[h=1]ad hominem[/h][h=2]You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.[/h]
Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.​
 
heavenlyboy34 said:
Your fallacy is:

ad hominem

You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

Ad hominem attacks can take the form of overtly attacking somebody, or more subtly casting doubt on their character or personal attributes as a way to discredit their argument. The result of an ad hom attack can be to undermine someone's case without actually having to engage with it.​
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Your fallacy is: Fallacy Fallacy.

My observation is accurate. the reason his argument is a failure is because he is assuming I must either idolize Scalia or hate him.

Interesting that you didn't call thoughtomator out for the ad hominem claiming that I idolize Scalia eh?

Your umbrage is awfully selective there, sport.
 
OK let's back off the shit-throwing for a bit and get back to the topic.

The big picture is that the headlong slide into tyranny is exactly what the people of this country want, and they want it good and hard. Pretty much all the pillars of tyranny have overwhelming popular support. Imposing liberty on them would be exactly that - an imposition. They're not interested, so it would have to be tyrannically imposed, which of course would violate their liberty.

The last chance for liberty in America died in 2012 with the end of Ron's campaign. The next chance will happen only after this country is so sick and tired of suffering the evils of tyranny that it revolts.

Scalia was not and could not be the difference-maker. If his death is devastating, what is being devastated is the illusion that there was something left of the current system to save.

There isn't.

If you want liberty, withdraw your consent from the current system rather than legitimizing it with your voluntary participation. Create liberty personally and locally with the choices you make and the relationships you form and the education of those who are willing to learn. Prepare yourself for the collapse of the present system so that you have the initiative in the aftermath, and then and only then will there be the opportunity for liberty to once again be proclaimed throughout the land and unto all the inhabitants thereof.
 
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