Student "Turned off" on Dr. Paul's stance on Global Warming

[GoPaul]

The good thing is.. that if we rely on Government we see what happens.

The bad thing is.. more people need to realize it.

Wal Mart made it to New Orleans before FEMA and the National Guard.

Which one makes more sense? Free Market or Government?

Thank You parke!!!

I'd bet the split, down the center of even the forum is 50/50, whether you believe it or not.

As much as we'd like it to, and media makes it seem, the issue won't be decided by who's elected into office. It would give us options though.

Another poster mentioned, we cannot/won't convince China to change their growth. They're the equal to our Industrial Revolution. If someone told us to stop growing then...LOL.

Our current EPA already tried to decline regulating CO2. With any of the other candidates, I still fail to see a solid plan. I hear sound bites paid to it. Nothing substantial.

When your in control of your value, as with the free market. You're more than welcome to donate/contribute to such causes. But who should force you, in the way of taxes? State vote should determine that.

 

[Jojo]

Global warming is to Liberals
as
Terrorism is to Neocons

and both serve the same function

+1

 

[alien]

Global warming is a fact and only a dimwit would argue that it is not cause by humanity. Go take a course at your local university an get an education - quit with the neocon attacks against universities because they only make you look like horowitz worshiping tart.

An upper level Ecology course might help.

Then why is Jupiter and Mars warming too? Jupiter used to be all ice but now it has large bodies of water. I guess the aliens in the SUVs did that huh? There is global warming but we have little to do with it and only a dimwit would not do the research and find out the truth about global warming.

 

[framecut]

Then why is Jupiter and Mars warming too?

Shhhh!!!!!!!

Don't bring FACTS to a debate! Are you CRAZY?????

 

[jamesmadison]

some people are nutty

 

[steph3n]

some people are nutty

and some base their opinions on reality

 

[jamesmadison]

and some base their opinions on reality

Others, on science.

 

[nexalacer]

University level scientists are not easly pursuaded by the government.

This is a curious statement. Universities are typically public, and even the private ones get some public funds. Public implies the government. Therefore, the employees of said universities, including the scientists, are persuaded by the government every time they take their paycheck or grants. If their entire lively hood depends on the government, what incentive would they have to not be persuaded?

 

[peruvianRP]

I am somewhat agnostic on this subject. I know the earth is warming slightly. But there is nothing to show it is because of hydrocarbons.

Look, I don't know if we are the number cause for global warming... it could just be a process from the earth itself. but don't tell me that we are doing nothing that harmful to the environment.

When I say we I don't mean U>s only I mean the human pop.

 

[LibertyOfOne]

Shhhh!!!!!!!

Don't bring FACTS to a debate! Are you CRAZY?????

Cherry picking.


Dr. Phil Plait Astronomy
http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04/29/is-global-warming-solar-induced/

 

[jamesmadison]

Cherry picking.

http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/04/29/is-global-warming-solar-induced/

How about a link to a peer published journal which i provided?

 

[jamesmadison]

http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/media/proceedings_a/rspa20071880.pdf
Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature

http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM2feb07.pdf
Climate Change 2007: The Physical Science Basis

 

[jamesmadison]

http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/figspm-1.htm

 

[LibertyOfOne]

How about a link to a peer published journal which i provided?

What the fuck are you talking about? Did you even read what I posted? You can't be this retarded?
A doctorate in Astronomy would know more than enough to anwser the question about warming planets.

 

[kimosabi]

Global warming is the biggest scam ever. It's an excuse for a tax on breathing and using energy to make us even more enslaved than we already are.

Do some research on HHO etc, people have already developed ways of producing more Hydrogen/Oxygen energy than they put in to split the Hydrogen and Oxygen from water.

The people that devolop these technogies are either paid off by the oil company's and the technology suppressed or killed if they won't comply.

Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’

Intro by Joe D’Aleo, Icecap, CCM

I was privileged to work with John Coleman, the founder of The Weather Channel in the year before it became a reality and then for the first of the 6 years I was fortunate to be the Director of Meteorology. No one worked harder than John to make The Weather Channel a reality and to make sure the staffing, the information and technology was the very best possible at that time. John currently works with KUSI in San Diego. He posts regularly. I am very pleased to present his latest insightful post.
By John Coleman

It is the greatest scam in history. I am amazed, appalled and highly offended by it. Global Warming; It is a SCAM. Some dastardly scientists with environmental and political motives manipulated long term scientific data to create an illusion of rapid global warming. Other scientists of the same environmental whacko type jumped into the circle to support and broaden the “research” to further enhance the totally slanted, bogus global warming claims. Their friends in government steered huge research grants their way to keep the movement going. Soon they claimed to be a consensus.

Environmental extremists, notable politicians among them, then teamed up with movie, media and other liberal, environmentalist journalists to create this wild “scientific” scenario of the civilization threatening environmental consequences from Global Warming unless we adhere to their radical agenda.

Now their ridiculous manipulated science has been accepted as fact and become a cornerstone issue for CNN, CBS, NBC, the Democratic Political Party, the Governor of California, school teachers and, in many cases, well informed but very gullible environmentally conscientious citizens. Only one reporter at ABC has been allowed to counter the Global Warming frenzy with one 15 minute documentary segment.

I do not oppose environmentalism. I do not oppose the political positions of either party. However, Global Warming, i.e. Climate Change, is not about environmentalism or politics. It is not a religion. It is not something you “believe in.” It is science; the science of meteorology. This is my field of life-long expertise. And I am telling you Global Warming is a non-event, a manufactured crisis and a total scam. I say this knowing you probably won’t believe a me, a mere TV weatherman, challenging a Nobel Prize, Academy Award and Emmy Award winning former Vice President of United States. So be it.

I have read dozens of scientific papers. I have talked with numerous scientists. I have studied. I have thought about it. I know I am correct. There is no run away climate change. The impact of humans on climate is not catastrophic. Our planet is not in peril. I am incensed by the incredible media glamour, the politically correct silliness and rude dismissal of counter arguments by the high priest of Global Warming.

In time, a decade or two, the outrageous scam will be obvious. As the temperature rises, polar ice cap melting, coastal flooding and super storm pattern all fail to occur as predicted everyone will come to realize we have been duped. The sky is not falling. And, natural cycles and drifts in climate are as much if not more responsible for any climate changes underway. I strongly believe that the next twenty years are equally as likely to see a cooling trend as they are to see a warming trend. See John’s full blog story here.. See John’s forecast blog on the KUSI site here.

http://icecap.us/index.php/go/joes-blog/comments_about_global_warming/

 

[jamesmadison]

Global warming is the biggest scam ever. It's an excuse for a tax on breathing and using energy to make us even more enslaved than we already are.

Do some research on HHO etc, people have already developed ways of producing more Hydrogen/Oxygen energy than they put in to split the Hydrogen and Oxygen from water.

The people that devolop these technogies are either paid off by the oil company's and the technology suppressed or killed if they won't comply.

Well, very few in the scientific community actually believe what you are saying. You cannot just make a claim without substantiating it. If you have evidence for your claim, in peer published fashion, present it. Otherwise, no one will believe you.

 

[jamesmadison]

What the fuck are you talking about? Did you even read what I posted? You can't be this retarded?
A doctorate in Astronomy would know more than enough to anwser the question about warming planets.

It's certainly possible but i would like it to be published. Does this author have any published work?

 

[LibertyOfOne]

It's certainly possible but i would like it to be published. Does this author have any published work?

I take it you didn't read it. He sources enough material to make the case.

 

[jamesmadison]

Global warming is the biggest scam ever. It's an excuse for a tax on breathing and using energy to make us even more enslaved than we already are.

Do some research on HHO etc, people have already developed ways of producing more Hydrogen/Oxygen energy than they put in to split the Hydrogen and Oxygen from water.

The people that devolop these technogies are either paid off by the oil company's and the technology suppressed or killed if they won't comply.

What you are presenting is a logical fallacy: an appeal to authority. It's irrelevent that x,y,or z believe so and so - the only relevance is the facts and the interpretation of them. Mr. Weatherman is also probably many years removed from the university system where he has access to peer published journals on the subject. I don't really expect him to understand the issue, while, the current university professors studying it show clear mechanism and are validated by factual data.

 

[pcosmar]

What you are presenting is a logical fallacy: an appeal to authority. It's irrelevent that x,y,or z believe so and so - the only relevance is the facts and the interpretation of them. Mr. Weatherman is also probably many years removed from the university system where he has access to peer published journals on the subject. I don't really expect him to understand the issue, while, the current university professors studying it show clear mechanism and are validated by factual data.

The "Global Warming" scam reminds me very much of this,
http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm

"Deprogramming the masses since 1547"
Mission Statement

For centuries, mankind knew all there was to know about the shape of the Earth. It was a flat planet, shaped roughly like a circle, with lots of pointy things hanging down from the underside. On the comparatively smooth topside, Europe sat in the middle of the circle, with the other continents scattered about the fringes, and parts of Africa hanging over the edge. The oceans lapped against the sides of the Earth, and in places ran over, creating currents that would pull over the edge ships that ventured too far out to sea. The space beyond the edge of the world was a dark realm inhabited by all sorts of unholy beasts. Fire and brimstone billowed up from the very depths of hell itself and curled 'round the cliffs whose infinite length jutted straight down to the darkest depths . . . .

Then, in the year of our Lord fourteen-hundred and ninety-two, it all changed. For decades a small band of self-proclaimed "enlightened" individuals had been spouting their heretical nonsense that the Earth was in fact round. Citing "proof" based on nothing more than assumptions, half-truths and blind guesses, they dazzled the populace with their " . . . undeniable mathematical and scientific evidence . . . that the world is shaped not like a pancake, but an orange!"

Rightly wishing to dispel notions regarding the alleged citrus-like shape of our planet, the Church was able to either silence or execute nearly all the fanatics. But a small handful remained, continuing to spread their blasphemous speeches and to promote their heretical ideals involving the very center of the universe. One of their number, who called himself Grigori Efimovich, would later be known to the rest of the world as Christopher Columbus. Using an elaborate setup involving hundreds of mirrors and a few burlap sacks, he was able to create an illusion so convincing that it was actually believed he had sailed around the entire planet and landed in the West Indies. As we now know, he did not. What Efimovich actually did was sail across the Atlantic Ocean to a previously undiscovered continent, North America, and even then only to a small island off the coast. It took him several years more even to "discover" his blunder and claim it as a " . . . new world". But the damage had already been done, and mankind entered into what we now call its "Dark Ages" . . . .

Enter the Flat Earth Society. For over five hundred years humanity has believed the "round Earth" teachings of Efimovich and his followers. But all hope is not lost. For through all that time, a small but diligent band of individuals have preserved the knowledge of our planet's true shape. And now, after centuries in the Dark Ages, we believe that mankind as a whole is once again ready to embrace the truth that has forever been the Flat Earth Society. Using whatever means are deemed necessary and relying heavily on a callous disregard for the lives and well-being of our members, we have slowly but steadily been spreading the news.

But why? Why do we say the Earth is flat, when the vast majority says otherwise? Because we know the truth.

See: http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm