Student "Turned off" on Dr. Paul's stance on Global Warming

[daviddee]

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[winston_blade]

Countless pages later and the Global Warming debate has done its job.

People, this is another scare tactic in a long list to keep you in line and sacrifice liberty for the "good of planet". Carbon Taxes "for the good of the planet"... Gas Taxes "for the good of the planet"... etc etc

In my few decades on this planet I have been fed so much fear to keep me in line that it becomes very easy to see through the haze...

Let's recap the fear:

Global Ice Age
The Soviets and Nuclear War
Quicksand
Y2K
AIDS
SARS
DDT
Terrorism
Global Warming
Killer Bees
The Japanese, Then the Mexicans, and now the Chinese
Holes in the Ozone

Feel free to add to this list...

Whenever an issue becomes the domain of a political party... it is usually a huge warning sign that it is -bullshit- and is going to be used as a tactic to keep you in line. Keep the serfs fighting about meaningless issues while we grab more of their money and rights...

Game, set, match.

 

[framecut]

Game, set, match.

I'm gonna have to 'borrow' this list and post it in the 'Hot Topics' Forum.

Great minds think alike!

 

[bootstrap]

pollution

Besides, I heard Ron Paul speak very strongly about pollution being unacceptable. I was surprised to hear him take the position I take, which I've heard nobody else take - ever. He said, and so do I, that no person or corporation has a right to let pollution they produce escape their property - not by air via smokestacks, not by water via pipes and ditches into streams, rivers, or oceans, period. No entity has a right to pollute, period. That's as close as I can remember to his exact words.

Do you know how many billion pipes spew pollution into waterways in the USA? Have you EVER heard anyone say "none of that is acceptable, period"?

Well, I do, and so does Ron Paul. I do not know the Ron Paul exact position on greenhouse gasses or CO2. He may be somewhat skeptical. But I can assure you, he is skeptical because he is not about to turn the country upside down and spend trillions of dollars until he understands (A) what is happening, and (B) why. Given his approach to other pollution, you can be sure he would be a strong supporter of measures to lower any cause of any serious problem. So would I. And furthermore, no other politician will be honest about what they learn. None.

 

[Jordan]

Add bird flu.

 

[jamesmadison]

Countless pages later and the Global Warming debate has done its job.

People, this is another scare tactic in a long list to keep you in line and sacrifice liberty for the "good of planet". Carbon Taxes "for the good of the planet"... Gas Taxes "for the good of the planet"... etc etc

In my few decades on this planet I have been fed so much fear to keep me in line that it becomes very easy to see through the haze...

Let's recap the fear:

Global Ice Age
The Soviets and Nuclear War
Quicksand
Y2K
AIDS
SARS
DDT
Terrorism
Global Warming
Killer Bees
The Japanese, Then the Mexicans, and now the Chinese
Holes in the Ozone

Feel free to add to this list...

Whenever an issue becomes the domain of a political party... it is usually a huge warning sign that it is -bullshit- and is going to be used as a tactic to keep you in line. Keep the serfs fighting about meaningless issues while we grab more of their money and rights...

And what does this have to do with scientific literature that overwhelmingly supports the greenhouse gas theory of global warming? That has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read.

Quack. Quack.

 

[winston_blade]

And what does this have to do with scientific literature that overwhelmingly supports the greenhouse gas theory of global warming? That has to be one of the dumbest things i have ever read.

Quack. Quack.

I think I read in some book that the sky is falling. I think I'm going to put more effort into stopping that from happening rather than global warming, because let's fact it, it's cold as balls outside today.

 

[william wallace]

global warming is a scam

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/09/eaweather109.xml

There are many more respected scientists who agree. Do you really believe Al Gore? He is a liar and a hypocrite.

 

[fluoridatedbrainsoup]

Global warming is to Liberals
as
Terrorism is to Neocons

and both serve the same function

The most concise statement of truth..
in the entire thread.

 

[fluoridatedbrainsoup]

And I'll also add that the user jamesmadison has some of the most hateful posts in this thread, operating on emotion and not logic. Don't bother reading them.

 

[jamesmadison]

And I'll also add that the user jamesmadison has some of the most hateful posts in this thread, operating on emotion and not logic. Don't bother reading them.

Start by reading this:
http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/media/proceedings_a/rspa20071880.pdf

Recent oppositely directed trends in solar climate forcings and the global mean surface air temperature

There is considerable evidence for solar influence on the Earth’s pre-industrial climate and the Sun may well have been a factor in post-industrial climate change in the first half of the last century. Here we show that over the past 20 years, all the trends in the Sun that could have had an influence on the Earth’s climate have been in the opposite direction to that required to explain the observed rise in global mean temperatures.

 

[JMO]

Everyone is using the same media that distorts Ron Paul to try and back their stance on Global Warming.

I see no reason why we should waste energy. it makes sense in every regards to have better fuel efficient cars, or energy efficient light bulbs. by wasting energ you are driving the price up for everyone else, possibly harming our future existence, and drying up natural resources. we can't be sure what hard this can do, whether you believe in Global Warming doesn't matter, what matters is that wasteful energy has no use past instant gratification and the same thing can be accomplished in SOME cases using energy efficient measures.

 

[fj45lvr]

Follow the MONEY:

And when you follow it, you can usually determine, "WHO BENEFITS?"

Well that is OBVIOUS when you look to what they have "planned" to supposedly stop the "wind".... They come up with MASSIVE TAX schemes (more money for more GOVERNMENT BEAURACRATS, AGENCIES and GLOBAL GOVERNMENT!!!!!

And while this occurs the elite that already have their fortunes and infrastructure will STAY ON TOP (these are the guys that WANT THIS TO HAPPEN).


So the winner is GOVERNMENT because the ONLY solution to their "claims" of a problem are TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX REGULATE REGULATE.


Ask these "green" jack asses how much of the progress of the last 100 years they want to dump with their crazy ideals (keep in mind these folks use ELECTRICITY, metals, and every other modern convenience as the HYPOCRITES They are.

This whole issue is a POLITICAL tool...nothing more or less and if it is used beyond sound reasoning it will SOLELY result in BIGGER GOVERNMENT (not else but that).

 

[walt]

it's the individual's responsiblilty to affect this issue.

ditch your car, walk more - these are personal choices.

 

[jamesmadison]

Follow the MONEY:




Well that is OBVIOUS when you look to what they have "planned" to supposedly stop the "wind".... They come up with MASSIVE TAX schemes (more money for more GOVERNMENT BEAURACRATS, AGENCIES and GLOBAL GOVERNMENT!!!!!

And while this occurs the elite that already have their fortunes and infrastructure will STAY ON TOP (these are the guys that WANT THIS TO HAPPEN).


So the winner is GOVERNMENT because the ONLY solution to their "claims" of a problem are TAX TAX TAX TAX TAX REGULATE REGULATE.


Ask these "green" jack asses how much of the progress of the last 100 years they want to dump with their crazy ideals (keep in mind these folks use ELECTRICITY, metals, and every other modern convenience as the HYPOCRITES They are.

This whole issue is a POLITICAL tool...nothing more or less and if it is used beyond sound reasoning it will SOLELY result in BIGGER GOVERNMENT (not else but that).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
Scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge. It is based on gathering observable, empirical and measurable evidence subject to specific principles of reasoning.[1] The scientific method consists of the collection of data through observation and experimentation, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses.[2]

Although procedures vary from one field of inquiry to another, identifiable features distinguish scientific inquiry from other methodologies of knowledge. Scientific researchers propose hypotheses as explanations of phenomena, and design experimental studies to test these hypotheses. These steps must be repeatable in order to predict dependably any future results. Theories that encompass wider domains of inquiry may bind many hypotheses together in a coherent structure. This in turn may help form new hypotheses or place groups of hypotheses into context.

Among other facets shared by the various fields of inquiry is the conviction that the process must be objective to reduce a biased interpretation of the results. Another basic expectation is to document, archive and share all data and methodology so it is available for careful scrutiny by other scientists, thereby allowing other researchers the opportunity to verify results by attempting to reproduce them. This practice, called full disclosure, also allows statistical measures of the reliability of these data to be established.

 

[pcosmar]

Junk Science is junk science. No matter how many times it is repeated.

 

[jamesmadison]

Junk Science is junk science. No matter how many times it is repeated.

And stupidity is stupidity.

 

[QWE]

Everyone is using the same media that distorts Ron Paul to try and back their stance on Global Warming.

I see no reason why we should waste energy. it makes sense in every regards to have better fuel efficient cars, or energy efficient light bulbs. by wasting energ you are driving the price up for everyone else, possibly harming our future existence, and drying up natural resources. we can't be sure what hard this can do, whether you believe in Global Warming doesn't matter, what matters is that wasteful energy has no use past instant gratification and the same thing can be accomplished in SOME cases using energy efficient measures.

This is the most sensible post in this thread. Like I've said a few times before: this topic brings out the WORST in Ron Paul supporters. I stopped reading this topic like 10 pages ago because no one ever answered the original concern. It just turned into "Global Warming isn't real!" "Yes it is, are you dumb?!" rather than having anything to do with answering a LEGITIMATE concern of a potential RP supporter.

 

[Adamsa]

Ron has always said that if something needed to be done about it he would do it, so until a scientific body actually comes up with something worthwhile...

 

[fluoridatedbrainsoup]

Start by reading this:
http://www.pubs.royalsoc.ac.uk/media/proceedings_a/rspa20071880.pdf
Thesis of your article

Conclusions of your article

There are also some detection–attribution studies using global climate models that suggest there was
a detectable influence of solar variability in the first half of the twentieth century
and that the solar radiative forcing variations were amplified by some mechanism
that is, as yet, unknown. However, these findings are not relevant to any debates
about modern climate change. Our results show that the observed rapid rise in
global mean temperatures seen after 1985 cannot be ascribed to solar variability,
whichever of the mechanisms is invoked and no matter how much the solar
variation is amplified.
The authors are grateful to the World Data Centre system and the many scientists who contribute
data to it and to the Omni and GISS teams of NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center.

World Data Centre System

The World Data Center (WDC) system was created to archive and distribute data collected from the observational programs of the 1957-1958 International Geophysical Year. Originally established in the United States, Europe, Russia, and Japan, the WDC system has since expanded to other countries and to new scientific disciplines. The WDC system now includes 52 Centers in 12 countries. Its holdings include a wide range of solar, geophysical, environmental, and human dimensions data. These data cover timescales ranging from seconds to millennia and they provide baseline information for research in many ICSU disciplines, especially for monitoring changes in the geosphere and biosphere—gradual or sudden, foreseen or unexpected, natural or man-made.

WDCs are funded and maintained by their host countries on behalf of the international science community.

Sorry, thought I had more to say, but I'm pretty sure that our solar system is heating up right now what with melting Martian ice caps so I'll just say...
Your link provided me with a good bit of searching on the funding of the study, which led me to, of course "The World Data Center" and "The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration".
I'm sorry, but federally funded "science" which focuses on a time-scale of no more than twenty years, is dubious to me. I heard that this guy Ron Paul would phase out some of these self-serving bureaucracies.. I heard it on the grapevine .