Story on Ventura, Tucker

[gls]

I highly doubt the C4L organizers cared about the questions Ventura posed. He did not say anything that is not a fact.

Tucker is an unprofessional baby and I hope he wasn't paid, though he probably was.

 

[Ninja Homer]

True, until this article I merely speculated that they would have asked people to stay off the topic. With this article, the author is claiming that there was an agreement. I realize it's the Weekly Standard and they have a rather terrible track record for truth, but why would they claim there was an agreement if there wasn't one?

Wouldn't the lack of an agreement be better for them, as they could then criticize the rally, Ron Paul, the CFL etc for approving of it?

No offense, but I'm not accepting an article entitled, "Among the Paultards" as a source that there was some sort of agreement that speakers wouldn't talk about 9/11. There very well may have been an agreement, but that ain't a good source.

Here's another on-topic paragraph from that article:

My high-placed Paultard source gives me all sorts of insider dope. Former Minnesota governor/pro wrestler Jesse Ventura, who is on the speaking docket, is a serious 9/11 denier. So the Paulians have convinced Ventura to button it on the subject, since furthering the cause of liberty and sound money doesn't have much to do with who Ventura thinks may or may not have felled the Twin Towers. Tucker also won't introduce a speaker from the John Birch Society, just as a matter of principle. And though the schedule calls for a 12:30 P.M. opening bell, "the hemp activists have taken over organizing," says Tucker, "so there's not a chance that we start on time."

If this article is to be trusted, it seems to me that the reason Tucker left is because he refused to introduce the guy from the John Birch Society.

Once again... Tucker is a pussy.

 

[RickyJ]

Honestly, I didn't even notice Tucker was gone until I got home and read this forum.

I didn't either. He obviously shouldn't have been there to start with.

 

[PatriotOne]

Blah. blah, blah. You would think the writer and Tucker might reflect upon the questions posed. Seems to be quite a bit more important than that bullshit.

We're all in agreement that buildings can't fall at the rate of gravity without being assisted. And that's called physics, that's not an opinion."

why doesn't the FBI website's list of top ten international terrorists include the 9/11 attacks among Osama bin Laden's other crimes? And why hasn't the Justice Department charged Osama bin Laden?

 

[Rangeley]

No offense, but I'm not accepting an article entitled, "Among the Paultards" as a source that there was some sort of agreement that speakers wouldn't talk about 9/11. There very well may have been an agreement, but that ain't a good source.

Here's another on-topic paragraph from that article:



If this article is to be trusted, it seems to me that the reason Tucker left is because he refused to introduce the guy from the John Birch Society.

Once again... Tucker is a pussy.

The John Birch Society guy was earlier, though. He didn't leave until after Ventura, who he did actually introduce (interestingly enough.)

As far as trusting the article's claim goes, I agree it's not proof. It just doesn't seem to me, to be something that they would lie about. But they could very well be, I guess you have to take it for what it is.

 

[RockEnds]

I didn't either. He obviously shouldn't have been there to start with.

Agreed. To me, he was just an opening oddity. 'Wow, there's Carlson. I'll be damned. He showed up.' Kind of thing.

 

[KenInMontiMN]

I'd say we got the best possibe scenario- Ventura didn't rant forever on the subject onstage, but limited himself to just a couple pointed questions; remarkable considering he didn't have his Belgian Malinois along for advice and to keep the bod on the short leash. Plus we got a better emcee to step up. What more do you want??

 

[Ninja Homer]

Blah. blah, blah. You would think the writer and Tucker might reflect upon the questions posed. Seems to be quite a bit more important than that bullshit.

We're all in agreement that buildings can't fall at the rate of gravity without being assisted. And that's called physics, that's not an opinion."

why doesn't the FBI website's list of top ten international terrorists include the 9/11 attacks among Osama bin Laden's other crimes? And why hasn't the Justice Department charged Osama bin Laden?

No shit!

"Truth is treason in an empire of lies." - Ron Paul

So why do some think it's treasonous to the movement to even question the official 9/11 report? I understand why the sheeple think that way, but I expect more from a Ron Paul supporter.

I wouldn't call Ventura a "truther" I'd call him a "questioner", which is pretty much where I'm at on the issue. There's nothing wrong with that, it's just a healthy skepticism of a government that has obviously lied to us before. Hell, I question the official report just because Bush told me not to.

 

[Ninja Homer]

The John Birch Society guy was earlier, though. He didn't leave until after Ventura, who he did actually introduce (interestingly enough.)

As far as trusting the article's claim goes, I agree it's not proof. It just doesn't seem to me, to be something that they would lie about. But they could very well be, I guess you have to take it for what it is.

Yeah, you're right on that.

I guess I'll just have to wait and see if anything else comes out about it. It's really not that big of a deal to me anyway.

I wasn't impressed with Tucker at all. However, BJ Lawson did an awesome job emceeing the Ron Paul Nation Celebration... I would have rather seen him do the Rally as well.

 

[ChrisInMN]

tucker

Before the event even started, there were several 9/11 truthers there with media credentials talking to Tucker. The auditorium had hundreds of people with investigate 9/11 shirts on, there's no way that anyone there didn't know that 9/11 truth was at full force there.
As for the campaign asking Ventura not to talk about 9/11 - I doubt it. For a group of people that preach the constitution, I doubt they'd violate someone else's first amendment right to say what they wanted as long as it wasn't profane or off color (racist, etc.)
For whatever reason Tucker left the event, no one really noticed. It's not like he was the one that was holding the entire rally together by any means. If Tucker cared so damn much about Ron Paul, why wasn't he more vocal prior to the primaries? As far as I'm concerned Tucker is an idiot who caught on to the message after it was too late for him to help out.

ChrisInMN

 

[Jeremy]

Don't forget that the article could simply be a lie and/or a joke.

 

[gjvrieze]

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[Lovecraftian4Paul]

I have a hard time believing Ventura made any promises not to discuss something. That's very unlike him. Moreover, he only asked two very valid questions and kept himself under control fairly well. I was close to the podium while he was speaking. There were more than a few people in the audience yelling out "building seven," but Ventura just said "now, now, now" and moved on. I thought the former Governor did a good job of briefly touching on the subject and refusing to go onto more controversial questions about 9/11.

Tucker is a real letdown. Especially after he told us in his own introduction to give every speaker there a chance and listen to what they say. What a hypocritical coward!

 

[gjvrieze]

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[Nirvikalpa]

Tucker needs to grow a pair, and Ventura needs to grow a brain.

 

[SeanEdwards]

Tucker on the other has proven himself before to not have the best interest of Ron Paul at heart. When he shows up with hookers to a campaign event and gets national news, that is bad.

Showing up with hookers is bad, but showing up with a '9/11 was an inside job" sign is good?

I think I'd rather associate with prostitutes than crazy people.

 

[JohnMeridith]

Showing up with hookers is bad, but showing up with a '9/11 was an inside job" sign is good?

I think I'd rather associate with prostitutes than crazy people.

I love it. The easiest way to stop all the "crazy people" is transparency of government. Maybe that will shut up us Pearl Harbor and JFK conspiracy people as well.

I doubt JV would make any promise to not speak his mind.

 

[Rangeley]

For a group of people that preach the constitution, I doubt they'd violate someone else's first amendment right to say what they wanted as long as it wasn't profane or off color (racist, etc.)

It wasn't an open mic night where notable guests got to exercise their first amendment rights and speak on a topic of their choosing. The rally was for the CFL, and was about liberty. I don't see why people would think that the organizers wouldn't tell speakers to actually stay on topic.

Ron Paul recognizes that there is a lot of overlap between 9/11 Truthers, and the Liberty Movement - but it is simply an overlap. They are not the same movement, and this rally was not a rally for the 9/11 Truth movement. There is probably a lot of overlap between creationism and the Liberty movement - I think Ron Paul said he himself was a creationist - but does anyone think it would be appropriate for someone to go up and "ask questions" about evolution?

Further, the first amendment prevents the government from restricting free speech. It doesn't stop a private organization from telling it's speakers that they shouldn't talk about certain things when on stage. They don't have a right to speak up there, it was an honor given to a few lucky people. Ventura going off topic like that after being given the privilege is just too bad.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Tucker needs to grow a pair, and Ventura needs to grow a brain.

I hear ya with the tucker "balls" coMment but, why do u think Ventura needs to grow a brain? What was so out of line with the bin laden questions? Ron Paul even admitted that the questions were perfectly valid in a post-rally interview.

I see alot of Ventura bashing but have yet to see anyone of the "anti-truthers" give a decent response to the perfectly valid questions Ventura raised.

Ventura also does not make claims, he just asks questions about things that don't make sense to him.

 

[Tall Girl]

No, we already knew he left because of Ventura. This just shows that 1. Ventura wasn't supposed to talk about his 9-11 views, 2. Ventura was baited into talking about them on stage, 3. Ventura, whether directly because of the baiting or for another reason, broke his agreement and talked about his 9-11 views, 4. The agreement bring broken, Tucker decided to leave.

I am relieved to hear that Jessie was not suppose to talk about 9/11. I agree that it is too fringe of a topic and it has nothing to do with the cause for Liberty. Whether or not 9/11 was an "inside job" doesn't really matter at this point - it's done and over and we can't go back and fix it. I don't understand how people explain away the planes flying into the buildings. Were they holograms? LOL

When Jessie got off onto the 9/11 topic I felt a bit mortified. I thought, "Oh lovely, this is going to be the only news that comes out of this rally. The whole idea that it is a rally for Liberty isn't going to see any air tim." Although I've seen Jessie's remarks referred to in articles, they haven't played center stage in most articles and that is a relief!