STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

[bossman068410]

[rph -edit, I have just gone through the thread with a chainsaw and did my best to clean out the offtopic, low value, insulting posts. My apologies if I cut too deeply in places]


STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

Let's go on the Ron Paul Blow back principal.

When at the Campaign for Liberty I brought a very smart history teacher with me. I have opened her eyes to the bullshit between the whole REP & DEM Hypocrisy thing and she came with an open mind. After several of the speakers trashed teachers then at the lunch a few of the members trashing teachers she closed her mind and had a bitter Taste about the whole thing. Next time when you are speaking in public or to others think about how you turned away a potential supporter.

We need to focus ON THE SYSTEM not the INDIVIDUALS !!!!!!
It is the system that keeps and maintains the Rotten Apples.
It is the system that is Dumbing down our kids.
If the system was changed SO would the teaching.

THERE ARE A LOT of GOOD teachers and cops WE NEED their support to fight TYRANNY.

 

[Truth Warrior]

STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

Let's go on the Ron Paul Blow back principal.

When at the Campaign for Liberty I brought a very smart history teacher with me. I have opened her eyes to the bullshit between the whole REP & DEM Hypocrisy thing and she came with an open mind. After several of the speakers trashed teachers then at the lunch a few of the members trashing teachers she closed her mind and had a bitter Taste about the whole thing. Next time when you are speaking in public or to others think about how you turned away a potential supporter.

We need to focus ON THE SYSTEM not the INDIVIDUALS !!!!!!
It is the system that keeps and maintains the Rotten Apples.
It is the system that is Dumbing down our kids.
If the system was changed SO would the teaching.

THERE ARE A LOT of GOOD teachers and cops WE NEED their support to fight TYRANNY.

The cops and teachers are willingly working WITHIN the current "system". That makes them PART of the TYRANNY problem.<IMHO>

 

[bossman068410]

The cops and teachers are willingly working WITHIN the current "system". That makes them PART of the problem.

They too have been INDOCTRINATED.
How many cops and teachers are out there?
You can open their minds to the system they are in.
Don't you want people on the inside fighting the system?

 

[AutoDas]

Not if you're a saboteur.

The cops and teachers are willingly working WITHIN the current "system". That makes them PART of the TYRANNY problem.<IMHO>

 

[bossman068410]

Did you know the Teachers HERE are Required to uphold the constitution to get their licence?

 

[Truth Warrior]

Not if you're a saboteur.

Yep, there's TONS of those.

 

[pcosmar]

They too have been INDOCTRINATED.
How many cops and teachers are out there?
You can open their minds to the system they are in.
Don't you want people on the inside fighting the system?

Right. There just doing their jobs.

 

[ChaosControl]

I agree with the OP.
Really too many here are intent on making everyone their enemy. If everyone is your enemy, you'll have no friends and one hell of a big army to fight against alone.

There are plenty of excellent teachers and plenty of cops who really care about their community and helping keep it safe. If anything I'd say the bad ones are the minority and the system is the problem. It is like a lot of things where the few bad things are the only things talked about while the good stuff is ignored, bad news seems to sell better than good news.

 

[Kludge]

Eh, collectivism is alive and well here.

Teachers who follow absurd rules should be attacked, but how many really do? How many teachers would really call the authorities because Jon came to school with a few aspirin, less the three or four we trumpet on the news?

How many cops would really pull you over for having a Ron Paul bumper sticker??

They are street-level bureaucrats. They have orders. They can choose whether or not to follow those orders, depending on how/if they're being monitored.

Public schools get a bum rap here, too. Caveat emptor. No school is the same. They have different textbooks, standards, school boards, and teachers. There are multiple tools on the Internet to research a school, and if you don't research where your child will be educated for ~12 years, you are failing them.

I'm not saying that the NCLB Act and other federal mandates aren't hampering education, but it's really not as bad as it's often painted; that parents ought to be jailed for sending their kids to public school, and public high school graduates are unable to do basic math. It's absurd propaganda -- probably the same bullshit those parents will drill into their poor child's head if they home school (and I'm not saying that all home-schooling parents would do this). I have even read arguments here which suggest parents should indoctrinate their kids in the name of "liberty", justifying it because public schools supposedly indoctrinate kids to worship the State, which is complete bullshit.

 

[Truth Warrior]

I agree with the OP.
Really too many here are intent on making everyone their enemy. If everyone is your enemy, you'll have no friends and one hell of a big army to fight against alone.

There are plenty of excellent teachers and plenty of cops who really care about their community and helping keep it safe. If anything I'd say the bad ones are the minority and the system is the problem. It is like a lot of things where the few bad things are the only things talked about while the good stuff is ignored, bad news seems to sell better than good news.

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[newbitech]

STOP Demonizing Teachers and Cops.

Let's go on the Ron Paul Blow back principal.

When at the Campaign for Liberty I brought a very smart history teacher with me. I have opened her eyes to the bullshit between the whole REP & DEM Hypocrisy thing and she came with an open mind. After several of the speakers trashed teachers then at the lunch a few of the members trashing teachers she closed her mind and had a bitter Taste about the whole thing. Next time when you are speaking in public or to others think about how you turned away a potential supporter.

We need to focus ON THE SYSTEM not the INDIVIDUALS !!!!!!
It is the system that keeps and maintains the Rotten Apples.
It is the system that is Dumbing down our kids.
If the system was changed SO would the teaching.

THERE ARE A LOT of GOOD teachers and cops WE NEED their support to fight TYRANNY.

I don't like the way you are shaping your argument. You need to give some specific example.

How about stop attacking supporters who speak the truth that your friends can't swallow?

 

[Truth Warrior]

I don't like the way you are shaping your argument. You need to give some specific example.

How about stop attacking supporters who speak the truth that your friends can't swallow?

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[newbitech]

Did you know the Teachers HERE are Required to uphold the constitution to get their licence?

did you know that BHO was a constitutional law professor? Regarding your teachers, you say they are required to uphold the constitution. Required by whom? If they are required to uphold the constitution by your state reps, well what is your states record in upholding constitutional principles?

Republicans traditionally supported eliminating the Department of Education. This is not an attack on teachers. Republicans also traditionally support the second amendment and the law restricting the government from interfering with gun ownership.

Standing up for free market education and standing up for gun ownership is not an attack on teachers and cops. It is a defense of our inalienable right to seek knowledge, wisdom, and protection of the government's sometimes tyrannical authority that many find offensive. Unfortunately for those educators and law enforcement folks who fall on the wrong side of this debate, they will become a visible target of the freedom movement simply because their views are inconsistent with constitutional principles.

Each individual teacher and cop has choices to make. The attack is not on those folks personally, and if they take it personally its because their status quo views of government and their role of authority and control has been upset. This will be true regardless if someone holds them to the constitution and espcially true if the person who is requiring them to follow the constitution also does not hold the correct understanding or is completely ignorant of constitutional principles.

 

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[acptulsa]

Anyone here happy about the MIAC report?

Why would we profile people? I thought we were all here because we understood that we're all different?

Oh, yeah, there are tons of saboteurs, says TW, and rolls his eyes. How do we know there aren't? Do you think the ones dumb enough to advertise what they're doing to short-circuit the 'official message' are still employed?

Most Missouri cops are conservatives. Do we do better to demonize and so disaffect them and piss them off at us, or do we do better to tell them, hey, they're trying to get you to gig your own--don't listen to them?

All Bilderbergers and CFR members are the enemy? That I might believe. All cops and teachers are the enemy? All of them? Yer nuts.

 

[Justinjj1]

I am a high school government teacher and a Ron Paul supporter. Glad to know that Truth Warrior considers me part of the tyranny.

 

[RevolutionSD]

Teachers and cops are getting paid with stolen loot. If they realize this and continue with their occupation then they are a huge source of the problem.

 

[acptulsa]

I am a high school government teacher and a Ron Paul supporter. Glad to know that Truth Warrior considers me part of the tyranny.

Nice to have you here. I would be grateful if, when you have the time, you'd start a thread detailing some of the pressures you face to stick to the 'official line'. I think that would go a long way toward helping people here understand, one, how that works and, two, why we should be eternally grateful to those of you who work to buck it.

But not if it would endanger your position! Getting at least a few kids some proper education is more important that straightening this lot out, imo.

 

[Kraig]

I agree with the OP.
Really too many here are intent on making everyone their enemy. If everyone is your enemy, you'll have no friends and one hell of a big army to fight against alone.

There are plenty of excellent teachers and plenty of cops who really care about their community and helping keep it safe. If anything I'd say the bad ones are the minority and the system is the problem. It is like a lot of things where the few bad things are the only things talked about while the good stuff is ignored, bad news seems to sell better than good news.

I have absolutely nothing against teachers in general, nearly all of them that I talk to are completely frustrated with the school system anyways. Cops on the other hand are complete assholes. I have one friend who is a cop and he agrees with me that they are all assholes, he doesn't hang out with any of his co-workers because he cannot stand how they act. He doesn't get offended because he agrees 100%. From his own mouth they are elitist jerks and see themselves as above citizens, they will not hang out with people who aren't cops or aren't cop familys. They are not the minority of cops, not in Texas. Now setting aside their jerk attitude, not everyone here submits to all the bullshit rules like many of you seem to do. Ron Paul calls it civil disobedience, and he finds this form of peaceful protest respectable as I do. Because I choose to do this, cops choose to deprive me of my liberty and use violence against me. For me ANY interaction with a cop could easily lead to the loss of my job once and if I make it through to the other end of the bullshit legal system. I do not harm or even inconvience anyone, yet they choose to do this because they are following orders.

So who is making who their enemy? They don't have to avoid me or risk being thrown in jail, I do.

 

[bossman068410]

I am a high school government teacher and a Ron Paul supporter. Glad to know that Truth Warrior considers me part of the tyranny.

Warrior Do you want this soldier for the fight of freedom to go away?

It's the system NOT the Individual we need to focus on!!!!!!
NEOCONS are doing enough to trash individual teachers.

YES there is intentional dumbing down of our students, but it is the system that advocates it NOT most of the individual teachers.

DO NOT CAST the first stone at teachers if you

EVER had a government job
EVER took a government back student loan
EVER use the post office
EVER went on unemployment
EVER used a public park
EVER bla bla bla........