Stick a Fork in the Daily Paul ... it's done.


I find it amusing that he walks into a room that already has people in it, checks to see if the people who are already there when he arrives agree with everything he blathers, and if they don't, these people who were already there when he wandered in are infiltrators and he is not the infiltrator.

I don't think that word means what he think it means.
 
Boom goes the dynamite.



Why will it be difficult to replace? Frankly I thought it was a horrible forum to navigate. I can't speak to the activism that came out of there because I didn't go there much. Frankly there's not all that much activism here anymore either. I'm not sure posting our opinions online is really activism anyway or just chest thumping. What exactly made DP a hotbed of activism and define activism as it related to that place versus this place, for example.

Monthly hits
DP = 700,000
RPF = 300,000

Closing DP = massive waste
 
I think I looked at daily paul a total of 5 times in the last 7 years. I always relied on RPF to trim the fat and repost here.
 
Now, characters like PRB, ZippyJuan, MaybeMaybeNot, TheCount, etc. will exclusively focus on trying to shut down this site.
 
Foe me I think I could cover a lot more ground faster with the section of latest posts at the top of DP. Here you have to weave in and out of posts all day long in order to get your fill.
 
Foe me I think I could cover a lot more ground faster with the section of latest posts at the top of DP. Here you have to weave in and out of posts all day long in order to get your fill.

Click "New Posts" to see all the latest bumped thread regardless of what forum located in. Click "Today's Posts" to go back in time past when the forums were last marked read.


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Foe me I think I could cover a lot more ground faster with the section of latest posts at the top of DP. Here you have to weave in and out of posts all day long in order to get your fill.

I have two major complaints about both sites. At some other forums I've been on you can see a list of your past complete posts (instead of just the first few lines) which made it easy to download all your past history with something like HHTrack. The other complaint is it's almost impossible to respond to all people who "quote" your post unless you actually go back and look (which can be quite time consuming). Other forums have a "notification" when anyone quotes your post with a link so that you can go directly to the discussion and respond. I'm sure that many people have posted on something I've said and I never knew about it so I did not respond...
 
To clarify, the Mission Statement does not require you to support a political solution, peaceful non-political activism is within our scope. However it is off topic to push non-voting in a political campaign forum, such as Rands.

Beyond that, I appreciate those who are showing some respect for Michael, let's please drop the bashing. I have talked to Michael a handful of times, meet him in person, consider him a friend and know he has paid a big price for what he has done for liberty.
Class.

I agree with Nystrom and some who have posted here, that it CAN be replaced, but it would come down to one person or a couple of people's choice to act. The key factor is if someone is willing to put in the time more than anything to make it successful with no (or very limited) financial or other benefit to themselves, but instead most likely at huge personal cost.



I don't want to interrupt your exchange, however do want to attempt to answer this question, because I have a perspective on what the answer might be in regards to DPs success having worked professionally for a number fortune 50 companies developing websites, industry recognized marketing and ad firms, and also having built a number of Ron Paul grassroots networking websites personally in 08' and 12', which included two money bomb events that required working with other RP sites including DP.

Analyzing the differences between a number of sites I wouldn't necessarily classify DP as a hotbed of activism, I would describe it more (in most cases) as a source of information for drive-by supporters of Ron Paul and the liberty movement.

What do I mean by that? Although the outside perception of your typical Ron Paul supporter in 2008/2012 was the very passionate and active person leaving the computer and going out doing things in their local community whether it was getting signatures on petitions for Ron Paul to be on the local state ballots, going door to door doing voter issue identification, sign-waving, going to meetup meetings, joining local GOP, becoming a delegate, traveling to early states to hand out slim-jims, etc., etc. The truth is the percentage that are considered actual activists vs. general supporters of a candidate vs. individuals that will vote for the candidate is extremely small, most likely less than one percent are actual activists as traditionally defined.

Who are these other people then that like Ron Paul, but that don't hang out on message boards, or don't take an active part in voicing political opinion or being more involved in the political process? They are people that live their lives going to work, taking care of their kids and having interests and participating in activities beyond politics, the limit to their involvement only comes every few years when they are expected to cast a vote. At most perhaps they (maybe 5-10 percent if they are really inspired) will donate to a candidate by buying a poster, tshirt, or perhaps even a lawn sign, maybe, and there will be a few that will even do a straight up donation to the candidate expecting nothing in return other than the hope that their money will be put to good use in order for the candidate to win. That's it, that is the extent of their participation and they will walk away feeling good with themselves that they were part of something that will either stave off disaster for another four years or perhaps change the direction of the country for the better.

Now comes the question, how do some of these people that aren't true activists formulate their opinions, what sources of information do they use when major topics of discussion come up in the news that become water cooler discussion? This is where DP comes into play, these people will want to find alternate opinions regarding specific topics that match their thinking in regards to a number of different issues that is important to them. They will want to perhaps watch a video or two or read a couple of articles and then leave the site, that will be the extent of their interaction never creating an account or wanting to invest the time to communicate on a message board with others that maybe like-minded. They are just there for information that perhaps they can take back to their families and friends, or the water cooler, or at the very least some talking points they can use to shout back at their TV when flipping through the channels and a MSM talking head aggravates them about an issue they have interest in.

So with all that said lets consider what the actual value of DP was compared to perhaps RPF or other sites in general. From personal experience in 08' and 12' these would be the conclusions I would make based on observations although I would imagine the owners of the sites would have the best perspective on these;

1. DP in general had more traffic on avg than RPF (you can go to a number of different metric websites to compare)
2. RPF had more activists that brainstormed new ideas and coordinated efforts beyond traditional campaign efforts; home of the MBs, organizing and coordinating; phone-banking, transporting volunteers to early states, events such as marches and rallies, micro-sites developed by others in support of the candidate, brainstorming how best to promote all of the above, the list goes on.
3. DP was a source more likely to successful financially fund individual efforts vs. RPF, although not an absolute in all cases in previous campaigns I did notice perhaps because it came down to a simple numbers game if someone needed help to get a grassroots project off the ground one had better luck getting donations from members at DP than RPF, this maybe due to a number of different reasons one that maybe the most basic is that RPF members on avg were more busy trying to get their own projects off the ground while DP members were more support as opposed to being pro-active, again this is a generalization perhaps warranted perhaps not, just an observation.
4. RPF had more volunteers willing to help others beyond financial support but instead invest time in others project to help them be successful, where DP may have had the money RPF had the users that were willing to invest the time.
5. DP news distribution had a wider and louder microphone in a shorter span of time. Whereas large projects are formulated on RPF that tend to have huge influence on the grassroots when they are successful over a longer period of time, DP because of the traffic and the traditional format they used from the start, being more a blog than a message board allowed for information or promotion news to travel to a wide audience in a shorter period of time. Here is an example currently there is a MB video created for April 7th that although we can appreciate the time in putting this together has not received more than 500 views (at the time of this writing) although it has been bumped on RPF a few times and posted on the front page. I would imagine if instead it was posted on the DP front page the views would easily be much more (by factors) than it currently has and would considerably help distribution, this was the case in 08', in 12' and I'd imagine would still be the case even though in general traffic isn't anywhere near the height it would be in the fall leading up to the primaries.

Anyway I could sit here and write all day about this stuff, but should go and eat lunch. The main point I want to make is DP did have value although as has been said it can be replaced, it's just a question of can and will someone do it to support Rand and how much time will they be willing to invest in a project that would certainly require a lot of work. Not just in setting up a site, but more importantly everything that goes along with that to make it successful with very little reward beyond the personal satisfaction that they helped to accomplish something all the while weathering personal attacks from others that they would have at one time considered friends and fellow members of the liberty movement, or in other words as has been said "no good deed goes unpunished".
Knowledge.

The guy is not mentally stable.
Something else.
 
I've been thinking about this Fred Reed piece a lot, ever sine hearing Nystrom is shutting down his site.

http://www.fredoneverything.net/Thompson.shtml
Hunter Thompson
All Gone Now
February 26, 2005
When Thompson blew his brains out, a door closed somewhere and you could hear the latch click. The main man had gone. Most of us can easily be replaced. There was only one Hunter Thompson. I’ll heist one tonight to a fine, fine writer, a voice of his time, the embodiment of an age the like of which there never was and which, for good or bad, will never come again.


The Sixties look drab now—unkempt Manson girls, the lost and unhappy, kids bleak and bleary-brained after waking up with too many strangers in too many sour crash pads. There was that. It was not a time for the weak-minded. But for those whose youth passed in the freak years, there was something gaudy and silly and even profound, something delightfully warped, that nobody else would ever have. Thompson caught it.


I didn’t know him. Others have written better than I can of his work. But I knew the world that gave rise to him.


Starting around 1964, a restlessness came over the land, an itch. Kids trickled and later flooded onto the highways as if called by something. I can’t explain it. Few had done it before. Few do it now. They—we--set forth and created the only country in which Thompson could have made sense.


It wasn’t the war, at first. Nor was it only the usual impatience of youth with authority. Nor was it even that we were young and the world was wide. There was a revulsion against suburban emptiness, against the eight-to-five Ozzie and Harriet gig, a rejection of the Establishment, which meant boring jobs and singing commercials.


We discovered drugs, then regarded as worse than virgin sacrifices to Moloch, and looked through a window we could never name. If the times were out of joint, we were seldom out of joints. Chemistry defined the life. You found a freak in some rotting slum and said, “Hey, man, got some shit?” You toked up. You got the munchies, the skitters, the fears. Parents really didn’t understand. Dope, we said, will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no dope. It did.


Thompson, a savage writer, a grand middle finger raised against the sky, essayed drugs and found them good. And said so, and we loved him. When he wrote of getting wacked out of his mind on seven illicit pharmaceuticals, and wandering in puzzled paranoia through the lobby of existence, we shrieked with laughter. We knew the same drugs. We too had tried desperately to look straight in public when the world had turned into a slow-motion movie. When it was over, everybody went into a law firm.


Our socio-political understanding was limited. After all, we were pretty much kids. I remember having a discussion in Riverside, California, of how Republicans reproduced. We didn’t think it could be by sex. I figured it was by budding.


For a while though, it all worked. Apostles of the long-haul thumb, we hitchhiked in altered mental states. I don’t recommend it without guidance. We stood by the western highways as the big rigs roared by, rocking in the wash and the keening of the tires, desert stretching off to clot-red hills in the distance. At night we might buy bottles of Triple Jack at some isolated gas station and dip into an arroyo, roll a fat one and swill Jack and talk and hallucinate under the stars. An insight of the times was that if you got fifty feet off the beaten track and sat down, you didn’t exist. It still works if you need it.


None of it was reasonable. I’ve never found anything worthwhile that was.


Then there was politics, the war. Thompson was rocket smart and knew you couldn’t work within the system since that meant granting it legitimacy. Peace with Honor, the Light at the End of the Tunnel, all the ashen columnists arguing about timed withdrawal and incremental pressure. He knew it was about profits for McDonnell Douglas and egotistical warts growing like malignant goiters on the neck of the country. He was Johnny Pot Seed, a Windowpane Ghandi, dangerous as Twain.


The times brought their epiphanies. I remember being gezonked on mescaline in a pad in Stafford, Virginia, and realizing that existence was the point of execution in a giant Fortran program. So it’s all done in software, I thought. I was floating in the universe. In the infinite darkness of space the code stretched above and below in IBM blue letters hundreds of feet high that converged to nothingness: N = N * 5, Go To 43, ITEST = 4**IEXP. For an hour I was awash in understanding. The stereo was playing Bolero, which was written by a Do-loop, so it all fitted.


Thompson savaged it all, lampooned it, creating a world of consciousness-sculpting substances and bad-ass motorcycles and absolute cynicism about the government. Today, after thirty years of journalism, I can’t find the flaw in his reasoning.


The other writer of the age was Tom Wolfe, but he wasn’t in Thompson’s league. Wolfe was a talented outsider looking perceptively at someone else’s trip. Thompson lived the life, liked big-bore handguns and big-bore bikes and had a liver analysis that read like a Merck catalog. His paranoia may be style, but you can’t write what you aren’t almost.


I remember standing alone in early afternoon beside some two-lane desert road in New Mexico, or somewhere else, that undulated off through rolling hills and had absolutely no traffic. I don’t know that I was on anything. Of course, I don’t know that I wasn’t. A murky sun hung in an aluminum sky like a fried egg waiting to fall and mesquite bushes pocked the dry sand with blue mortar bursts. The silence was infinite. I lay in the middle of the road for a while just because I could. Then I followed a line of ants into the desert to see where they were going.


A grey Buick Riviera, a wheeled barge lost in the desert, slid to a stop. The trunk creaked open like a jaw. A squatty little mushroomy woman behind the wheel motioned me to get it. As we drove the cruise alarm buzzed, and she told me it was a Communist radar. They were watching her from the hills.


It was a Thompson moment.


Then it was over. Everybody went into I-banking or something equally odious. We gave up drugs as boring.


You can see why he ate his gun. Everything he hated has returned. Nixon is back in the White House, Rumsnamara risen from the dead, bombs falling on other peoples’ suburbs. The Pentagon is lying again and democracy stalks yet another helpless country. This time the young are already dead and there will be no joyous anarchy. The press, housebroken, pees where it is told. But he gave it a hell of a try.
 
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Really? Promoting organic food and being anti war is odd now and makes one a non libertarian? You may want to engage brain before slinging out those labels. How do you know whether or not those people understood the entire philosophy or not?

Nowadays libertarianism is about intervention in the Middle East and a flat tax. Get with the program. That is our path to liberty.
 
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statists have ALWAYS overran non organized anarchists.

And will continue to do so. It was ever thus.

Thank You!.
that is the reason that I am a Min-Archist.
I think the founders understood this also.
we Anarchists (pure Liberty supporters) MUST organize ourselves at some minimal level.
 
Silly how he would take my mana just to spite a possible water cooler area for Rand supporters. Daily Paul was my hang out man... fuck.

Strange that he has a Rand Paul section at the new site.:confused:
 
Strange that he has a Rand Paul section at the new site.:confused:

Even though he does not actively support Rand, he realizes that the election is upon us and there are many who do so it's inevitable that many of his members will be supporters and will post there. I think he just doesn't want the "Ron Paul" legacy to be tarnished by Rand. My personal belief is that even though Rand is not quite as pure as his father, he is Ron Paul's son... I'm certain the apple does not fall far from the tree...
 
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