Steve Deace

[lucent]

Guys, before trashing this guy, I'd give Ron a chance to figure out all this is going on (he probably hit the pool as soon as he got home) and deal with it. Let's take our cues from Ron. At least I plan to.

The campaign has already responded.

 

[wgadget]

Dr. Paul shouldn't apologize one bit. Its true and he shouldn't ever apologize for speaking the truth. I'm convinced she hates Muslims as well. Just listen to her rhetoric. Her entire point is that Iran is dangerous because it has an Islamic government who MUST be insane and wants to blow up the world. Over and over again her problem is with Muslims and Islam. She refuses to accept any other explanation as even remotely possible, despite the evidence for those explanations. And when she sites evidence about anything related to Iran, she gets it wrong. Every. Single. Time. Its clear to me her bias and hatred gets in the way of her intellect. Like every true racist she is completely intellectual except when it comes to race. Then no matter what evidence you give they insist they're right and everything else is just evil. Frothy is the same way except he throws gays in there as well. Its disgusting.

But--but--but:

"There are many loyal supporters of fine Christian people like Bachmann and Santorum that are likely never to forget these heinous comments, which will make it very difficult for Paul's Iowa supporters to successfully do business in this state, or help other candidates who share their views. Like, for instance, his son should he ever decide to run for president. Paul's organization has fought to hard to establish itself in Iowa for the long-run to be done by such an asinine self-inflicted wound.

There is simply no place for this garbage in Iowa. Someone doesn't have to hate Muslims to think it's a bad idea for Iran and its military Islamic theocracy to have a nuclear weapon, anymore then someone in the 1930s wasn't an anti-German xenophobe for concluding letting Hitler mobilize an army was a bad idea."

The man is a wacky warmonger. EEESH. America is turning the page toward a new, improved, more CHRISTIAN-acting nation..Better get on board, Steve or be left behind. Just my opinion.

 

[sailingaway]

The campaign has already responded.

to this? Or to the 'Iowa will be discredited' line? Because that is the only one I saw. Nothing about 'hating Muslims'.

 

[Sola_Fide]

The recent comments by Deace lead to me to think he is making the same mistake *most* Christians make when they vote for president: they are looking for a theologian-in-chief.


Ron Paul is not going pass any purity test of Christian orthodoxy. And if the choice is between Ron Paul's Constitutionalism and Michele Bachmann's police state, the Christian man should always support the choice that gives him more liberty.


Ron Paul's worldview of Constitutional government is eminently more Biblical than Michele Bachmann's war state, so Christian's should set aside the slight failings of Ron Paul's orthodoxy.


The worldview of government that Ron Paul espouses was a product of centuries of Christian political thought. Deace should already know this.

EDIT: typos sorry

 

[sailingaway]

But--but--but:

"There are many loyal supporters of fine Christian people like Bachmann and Santorum that are likely never to forget these heinous comments, which will make it very difficult for Paul's Iowa supporters to successfully do business in this state, or help other candidates who share their views. Like, for instance, his son should he ever decide to run for president. Paul's organization has fought to hard to establish itself in Iowa for the long-run to be done by such an asinine self-inflicted wound.

There is simply no place for this garbage in Iowa. Someone doesn't have to hate Muslims to think it's a bad idea for Iran and its military Islamic theocracy to have a nuclear weapon, anymore then someone in the 1930s wasn't an anti-German xenophobe for concluding letting Hitler mobilize an army was a bad idea."

The man is a wacky warmonger. EEESH. America is turning the page toward a new, improved, more CHRISTIAN-acting nation..Better get on board, Steve or be left behind. Just my opinion.

what he said there isn't war mongering. Dr. Paul doesn't want them to have a nuclear weapon either. He just thinks the better way to go at that is through diplomacy than war, as we did during the Cuba missile crises.

 

[low preference guy]

The recent comments by Deace lead to me to think he is making the sane mistake *most* Christians make when they vote for president: they are looking for a theologian-in-chief.


Ron Paul is not going pass any purity test of Christian orthodoxy. And if the choice is between Ron Paul's Constitutionalism and Michele Bachmann's police state, the Christian man should always support the choice that gives him more liberty.


Ron Paul's worldview of Constitutional government is eminently more Biblical than Michele Bachmann's war state, so Christian's should set aside the slight failings of Don Paul's orthodoxy.


The worldview of government that Ron Paul espouses was a product of centuries of Christian political thought. Deace should already know this.

send him just this.

 

[sailingaway]

The recent comments by Deace lead to me to think he is making the same mistake *most* Christians make when they vote for president: they are looking for a theologian-in-chief.


Ron Paul is not going pass any purity test of Christian orthodoxy. And if the choice is between Ron Paul's Constitutionalism and Michele Bachmann's police state, the Christian man should always support the choice that gives him more liberty.


Ron Paul's worldview of Constitutional government is eminently more Biblical than Michele Bachmann's war state, so Christian's should set aside the slight failings of Don Paul's orthodoxy.


The worldview of government that Ron Paul espouses was a product of centuries of Christian political thought. Deace should already know this.

this is about Ron saying MB hates Muslims. You can be offended by that and still like Ron's world view better. I was a bit startled to hear that harshness of term come from him myself, it is a very rare thing, on a personal basis, and Ron has frankly considered her a friend. I think he was rethinking things, somewhat. But he feels strongly about sticking to the Christian just war theory in war, and considers to do otherwise instinctively immoral.

 

[low preference guy]

I think he was rethinking things, somewhat.

I think RP changed his mind about Bachmann when she said that RP's views were the most dangerous thing she ever heard and started making stuff up about U.N. reports and the Iranian Constitution. I think Ron Paul didn't like being lectured about war by some idiot who bought the war propaganda in Iraq.

 

[wgadget]

I think RP changed his mind about Bachmann when she said that RP's views were the most dangerous thing she ever heard and started making stuff up about U.N. reports and the Iranian Constitution. I think Ron Paul didn't like being lectured about war by some idiot who bought the war propaganda in Iraq.

Yeah, I don't think being slandered by someone trying to prop herself up is Ron's idea of honesty. I bet that really rubbed him the wrong way.

Which reminds me...I think a Ron Paul presidency would bring a new badly-needed spirit of INTEGRITY to the country.

 

[undergroundrr]

When she started making up s*** to support her case that Iran should be bombed, she made it clear that she had no evidence to support the need for pre-emptive action. She was just trying to find any excuse to bomb some Muslims.

 

[Badger Paul]

"I think he was rethinking things, somewhat."

I think what happened at the debate had something to do with this.

Another thing to remember is that Deace and VanderPlaats and King all style themselves as would-be kingmakers with the "evangelical" vote in Iowa. To pander to them would be embarassing. That doesn't mean you attack them but it also doesn't mean you kow-tow to them either. Ron Paul has put out his record and his views and if they don't like them they don't have to vote for him. It's as simple as that.

Luckily for us they can't make up their minds who they want to support and even if they did their "followers" are split five different ways.

 

[thehungarian]

I think RP changed his mind about Bachmann when she said that RP's views were the most dangerous thing she ever heard and started making stuff up about U.N. reports and the Iranian Constitution. I think Ron Paul didn't like being lectured about war by some idiot who bought the war propaganda in Iraq.

Definitely agree with this. She showed her true colors at the debate and the day after on her campaign trail and Ron isn't putting up with her anymore. If there is something he hates, I bet it's being talked down to by an intellectual inferior and a fraud.

 

[wgadget]

When she started making up s*** to support her case that Iran should be bombed, she made it clear that she had no evidence to support the need for pre-emptive action. She was just trying to find any excuse to bomb some Muslims.

Good point. And the woman has a record of this kind of behavior. Remember the made-up story about tje Gardasil vaccine? This is NO DIFFERENT.

In fact, I would venture to say her performance with Ron on the Iran topic may very well be what has turned so many to our side over at hannity.com.

 

[PierzStyx]

Randian Libertarianism? What a dumbass.

Isn't that kind of redundant anyway?

 

[helmuth_hubener]

I will +rep you every day until the day I die.

Just got done calling in to the show, then waiting on hold for a little over two hours, then being told he wouldn't be able to get to me. Oh well. Maybe I can get through tomorrow. I was all ready to talk about pro-life (and get "reps" forever ).

 

[ord33]

Thanks for your efforts! That stinks you couldn't get on!

 

[Eric21ND]

Just got done calling in to the show, then waiting on hold for a little over two hours, then being told he wouldn't be able to get to me. Oh well. Maybe I can get through tomorrow. I was all ready to talk about pro-life (and get "reps" forever ).

Bring up Santorum endorsing Spector and doubling the size of the department of education.

 

[helmuth_hubener]

Bring up Santorum endorsing Spector and doubling the size of the department of education.

He ended up endorsing Gingrich. That was why he couldn't fit me on (that and, well, the word "rude" did start coming to my mind somewhere along the second hour ) -- too busy pumping Gingrich featuring as guests every single prominent person who can tolerate Gingrich: Gingrich's daughter, JC Watts, and some reverend.

 

[hammy]

Best thing about Iowa: We don't have to talk about this guy anymore.

 

[sailingaway]

Why on earth did you bump this thread?