Steve Deace

There was nothing "bush-league" about those comments. Based on their past comments/ stands on issues that's the only logical conclusion. Who is this guy to be demanding candidates sign his "pledge"? He's probably just sorry that after he's said and such, he's painted himself into a corner and is going to miss the Ron Paul boat.
 
He is a very influential evangelical radio host and was clearly considering Ron as at least one of those possible to endorse until just late this week, so there is a misunderstanding that may just need to be cleared up. Or not, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

We were all kind of surprised by what Ron said, he was caught in a lightening round and I think didn't choose his words as well as he might have under that circumstance. I understand Ron was obviously distressed by her position on Iran, but I think he was wondering aloud, actually.
 
Last edited:
SchleckBros said:
Steve is not a happy camper.

"Ron Paul should either apologize or lose the Iowa Caucuses after some bush-league comments on the Tonight Show"

He is appearing on Huckabee tonight.
Click to expand...

What does he want him to apologize for that he said on the Tonight Show?
 
Does Deace even come close to denouncing how the moderator maligned Ron on Iran?
Or the re-dredging up of the newsletters to smear him, etc.
I know this is politics and maybe Ron should have phrased it differently,
but the hypocrisy on the other side is blatant.
 
The interview is quintessential Paul. Leno does a good job of doing one of the most revealing interviews with Paul most voters have likely ever seen. For most of the interview Paul also comes across as less quirky and more likable then he does in most of the debates, which allows voters to truly understand his beliefs.

When you watch the video clips there is little doubt that Paul is espousing a Randian Libertarian philosophy. Therefore, he often comes to the right conclusion from a flawed premise. Make no mistake: the philosophy he is espousing here is not a Biblical view of the role of government, because Randian libertarianism isn't Biblical. Ayn Rand herself despised Christians and Christianity in general.

But I'm not telling you something most of you don't already know, which is why Paul continues to struggle to widen his base of support among those with a Biblical worldview. That's why if you like Paul before the first three parts of the interview you still do, but if you don't like him before the first three clips you still don't.

However, it's the fourth and final clip where Paul jumps the shark, and probably should cost himself the Iowa Caucuses minus an apology.

In this fourth and final clip Paul is quoted as saying that Michele Bachmann "hates Muslims" and "wants to go get them." Later he agrees with Leno that all Rick Santorum talks about are "gays and Muslims."

This is frankly despicable behavior on the part of a U.S. presidential candidate, especially in a Republican primary. Usually it's Democrats who believe you ought to let people do whatever they want, and then demagogue people groups the way Paul does in this clip towards Bachmann and Santorum.

He frankly ought to be ashamed of himself. His campaign apparatus in Iowa should seriously think about it's future in our state if these comments are allowed to stand without an apology. There are many loyal supporters of fine Christian people like Bachmann and Santorum that are likely never to forget these heinous comments, which will make it very difficult for Paul's Iowa supporters to successfully do business in this state, or help other candidates who share their views. Like, for instance, his son should he ever decide to run for president. Paul's organization has fought to hard to establish itself in Iowa for the long-run to be done by such an asinine self-inflicted wound.

There is simply no place for this garbage in Iowa. Someone doesn't have to hate Muslims to think it's a bad idea for Iran and its military Islamic theocracy to have a nuclear weapon, anymore then someone in the 1930s wasn't an anti-German xenophobe for concluding letting Hitler mobilize an army was a bad idea.

Paul's supporters often talk about the integrity and class he demonstrates as a sincere Christian man. These comments are certainly not classy, and anything but Christian. A sincere Christian man would realize this and apologize for them. The Paul we have seen on the campaign trail in Iowa is a better man than this.
Click to expand...

hxxp://stevedeace.com/forum/showthread.php?292-Ron-Paul-on-the-Tonight-Show&p=1826#post1826
 
sailingaway said:
He is a very influential evangelical radio host and was clearly considering Ron as at least one of those possible to endorse until just late this week, so there is a misunderstanding that may just need to be cleared up. Or not, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions.

We were all kind of surprised by what Ron said, he was caught in a lightening round and I think didn't choose his words as well as he might have under that circumstance. I understand Ron was obviously distressed by her position on Iran, but I think he was wondering aloud, actually.
Click to expand...

He was very influential. His radio program was on at 5 pm, one of the two best time slots for talk radio hosts. His program got bumped to 8. He is still relatively influential, but not nearly what he prides himself as.
 
Last edited:
Dr. Paul shouldn't apologize one bit. Its true and he shouldn't ever apologize for speaking the truth. I'm convinced she hates Muslims as well. Just listen to her rhetoric. Her entire point is that Iran is dangerous because it has an Islamic government who MUST be insane and wants to blow up the world. Over and over again her problem is with Muslims and Islam. She refuses to accept any other explanation as even remotely possible, despite the evidence for those explanations. And when she sites evidence about anything related to Iran, she gets it wrong. Every. Single. Time. Its clear to me her bias and hatred gets in the way of her intellect. Like every true racist she is completely intellectual except when it comes to race. Then no matter what evidence you give they insist they're right and everything else is just evil. Frothy is the same way except he throws gays in there as well. Its disgusting.
 
Whats wrong with people all the time complaining about the good Dr. in the last days? Take that stick out. Jay Leno is a COMEDY show, and therefore the comments were more than appropriate. Deace is as much a drama queen as hannity is. Who thinks still that hannity will "come around"? These people have deeper issues and need professional advice.
 
sailingaway said:
Dang it, I bet Ron would have apologized without thinking twice if someone even mentioned this to him wherever he is today. He has had so little down time I bet Ron hasn't bben told and hasn't thought twice about what he said on Leno. I'm sure he wouldn't have used 'hate' if he had thought it through just because the whole thing was unusual for him altogether. I think he was wrestling with where Bachmann was possibly coming from on Iran. I think he thinks she is being irrational in refusing to read what the actual report said. But what he said is going to make some people who are simply victims of fear mongering think he is speaking about them, and I'm sure that isn't what Ron intended. But if someone goes on Huckabee and 'demands' an apology, that escalates the whole thing.
Click to expand...

Are you joking? Ron Paul owes no apology to murderous, statist bigots like Santorum, Bachmann and Steve Deace.

WHO CARES about the endorsement of this "influential" talk show host, who will only endorse somebody when they're clearly going to win anyway.

After listening to this guy's show and listening to him pontificate from his stupid bible commentaries he picked up at Dollar General, I can tell you he worships one thing - Arbitron ratings. And apparently he failed to pray intensely enough to that deity if he got bumped from drive time. Santorum is his candidate, but I guess filthy lucre is keeping Steve Deace from putting his endorsement where it belongs - with a genocidal maniac.

Maybe he should sign my pledge that the Iranian people have a right to life.
 
well his true colors finally show up,
and lol at that banner on that forum
"fear god, tell the truth, make money"
sigh, what a hypocrite.
 
Last edited:
PierzStyx said:
Dr. Paul shouldn't apologize one bit. Its true and he shouldn't ever apologize for speaking the truth. I'm convinced she hates Muslims as well. Just listen to her rhetoric. Her entire point is that Iran is dangerous because it has an Islamic government who MUST be insane and wants to blow up the world. Over and over again her problem is with Muslims and Islam. She refuses to accept any other explanation as even remotely possible, despite the evidence for those explanations. And when she sites evidence about anything related to Iran, she gets it wrong. Every. Single. Time. Its clear to me her bias and hatred gets in the way of her intellect. Like every true racist she is completely intellectual except when it comes to race. Then no matter what evidence you give they insist they're right and everything else is just evil. Frothy is the same way except he throws gays in there as well. Its disgusting.
Click to expand...

I don't think Ron looks at it that way. If he spoke carelessly and hurt someone's feelings (and I think it is more than just MB but the people who have been told they had to be afraid and trusted that, as well) he'd correct it in a heart beat because he wouldn't have meant to do that in the first place. That isn't the same as backing down, it is more clearing up a miscommunication. but only Ron can speak to that.
 
SchleckBros said:
hxxp://stevedeace.com/forum/showthread.php?292-Ron-Paul-on-the-Tonight-Show&p=1826#post1826
Click to expand...

Wow, I notice that in his commentary, Deace conveniently forgets to mention the context of the fourth clip: It was a sort of rapid-fire game with Leno. It's not like Ron just out of the blue said, "And this is what I think about the other candidates." That would be SO out of character.

Judging by his actions, I think Steve Deace thinks WAAAY too much of himself. (Isn't pride considered a sin in the Bible?)
 
Guys, before trashing this guy, I'd give Ron a chance to figure out all this is going on (he probably hit the pool as soon as he got home) and deal with it. Let's take our cues from Ron. At least I plan to.
 
lucent said:
He was very influential. His radio program was on at 5 pm, one of the two best time slots for talk radio hosts. His program got bumped to 8. He is still relatively influential, but not nearly what he prides himself as.
Click to expand...

Methinks that the way things are going, he and his ilk (Hannity, Limbaugh, Levin, etc.) will be becoming less and less "influential."
 
I wouldn't be upset at an apology, it certainly wouldn't hurt. But I can imagine where that came from. To attack RP as a "non-starter" after he campaigned for you and then act surprised at his views in televised debate is what's a non-starter.

That being said, the campaign pull out the stops to get Dems and independents to caucus for us because that's going to be the key to success and I think that's where our polling strength lies.
 
I don't see Hannity and Deace being on the same page. Deace thinks very highly of Tom Woods, for example. I don't see that in Hannity.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

PAF
Debate: Jacob Hornberger vs. Walter Block re: libertarianism and Israel
Replies
7
Views
944
PAF
PAF
PAF
From the Moral Majority to a Moral Meltdown
Replies
4
Views
135
ClaytonB
ClaytonB
susano
An account of comedy writer who got cancelled for being "gender critical"
Replies
0
Views
305
susano
susano
Occam's Banana
Reason interviews Thomas Massie
Replies
1
Views
2K
PAF
PAF
osan
Brunson v. Adams: Read This Most Interesting Case
2
Replies
38
Views
7K
jbnevin
jbnevin
Back
Top