Stef Molyneux's Critique on Zeitgeist: Moving Forward

[ClayTrainor]

Ya I'm not sure what my roommate was thinking. We've already agreed that corporations control government and bring about monopolization of industries and that a free market would be preferable to our current system, yet that fucktard PJ started saying how government regulations RESTRAIN corporations from becoming monopolies, and without it our system would have flopped 4 times over already.. Losing a lot of respect I had for PJ.. he does "get" a lot of stuff, amazing how wrong he can be knowing how much control they have over the whole system.

I think it's fair to say that PJ thinks the world would be better if he, or someone who thinks exactly like him, was in control... rather than there being no supreme controller.

This is why i think it's laughable to call TZM an anarchist movement. The whole thing is based on Central economic planning.

 

[__27__]

I think it's fair to say that PJ thinks the world would be better if he, or someone who thinks exactly like him, was in control... rather than there being no supreme controller.

This is why i think it's laughable to call TZM an anarchist movement. The whole thing is based on Central economic planning.

Another good response video re: TZM central planning:

 

[Jeremy]

Here is the Zeitgeist response to Stefan



I can't believe some people here used to like this Marxist.

edit: I think someone already posted this?

 

[__27__]

Here is the Zeitgeist response to Stefan



I can't believe some people here used to like this Marxist.

edit: I think someone already posted this?

Yep, a few times. Probably one of YT's most embedded videos lately.

 

[Jeremy]

ROFL, look how elite they are trying to look:

 

[ClayTrainor]

Another good response video re: TZM central planning:

QED.

I'm pretty sure stefan is making a response to PJ's response as well... should be interesting. I'd pay to see PJ actually have to debate an an-cap.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Here's another great response.

 

[eOs]

Can't wait for Stef's response to the fascist Peter Joseph

 

[hugolp]

Its funny that the Venus project and Zeitgest claim not to be marxists. Why not come clean and just admit what it is obvious?

 

[demolama]

Its funny that the Venus project and Zeitgest claim not to be marxists. Why not come clean and just admit what it is obvious?

Because Marxism has a bad stigma attached to it. Why won't progressives admit they are socialists? Same reason.

My question is...

So when does everyone get their hands on a Monet original? oh wait everyone can't so therefore I'm going to have to steal it. But I thought there wouldn't be greed? This type of "new" thinking won't eliminate human nature. There will always be someone out there that wants more resource than others.

Where does innovation come from? Who designs and builds these new robots? Surely they need more resources than the rest to build prototypes and fail thousands of times before they get it right. So there has to be a group of people who are "special" over the rest of us. How then will it be different than any other regime if they have elites who live by a separate rule than the rest of us?

 

[Travlyr]

Thanks for posting this video!

ROFL, look how elite they are trying to look:

Before I watched this video, I was leaning toward Zeitgeist & The Venus Project being an arm of the powers-that-be elite because somebody (undisclosed) is funding their elaborate world tours. The elite's Hegelian Dialectic MO seemed to fit this scenario.

But now... I dono. I've toured Oxford University with a Rhodes Scholar candidate and I know first hand that they don't hire dummies. These people have a few loose screws. It's hard to know what's up. They do have some things right. Tossing a briefcase full of dollars at the state is a likely result of finding out that fiat currency eventually becomes worthless, but real money is the answer ... not no money.

 

[Romulus]

Neo-Marxism.

No money, or medium of exchange is a system of control, just like debt and fiat currency are systems of control too.

 

[Nate]

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." ~H.L. Mencken

Nothing but neo-marxists who are too chicken shit to admit what they believe in. Same lies & ignorant BS wrapped in a new package.

 

[ClayTrainor]

Stefs reply to PJ is up...

 

[ClayTrainor]

Just wanted to give this one quick bump, because of the new content I just added.

Cheers!

 

[Wren]

Stefs reply to PJ is up...

Bump..

Great response, kept calling him out on central planning. Good to know that stef managed to be polite in this one

Maybe the OP should edit these responses into his original post for easy viewership

 

[Jeremy]

I subscribe and unsubscribe to Setfan's channel because I disagree with some of his other views (on religion and political action). But these two videos definitely made me resubscribe again.

I love his attitude. The Zeitgeist guy was very rude and a large portion of his video was insults. Stefan is very respectful and even ended his video with a kiss, ROFL! The respect shows he is more intellectually mature.

 

[Romulus]

I subscribe and unsubscribe to Setfan's channel because I disagree with some of his other views (on religion and political action). But these two videos definitely made me resubscribe again.

I love his attitude. The Zeitgeist guy was very rude and a large portion of his video was insults. Stefan is very respectful and even ended his video with a kiss, ROFL! The respect shows he is more intellectually mature.

PJ comes off as arrogant and pretentious.. I like how Stef politely calls him out on his avoidance of the core issues. How is the Venus Project NOT central planning / AKA NeoMarxism? Simple question.. PJ 60min response avoids the question.

 

[sevin]

Stefan Molyneux is a genius. I've actually started listening to his podcasts because of this thread.

 

[Fredom101]

Stefan Molyneux is a genius. I've actually started listening to his podcasts because of this thread.

Yeah, Ron Paul 08 led me to Stefan's podcasts and I could no longer reject the arguments for anarchism after that. I liked this last video he did on ZG because it was straight to the point. I wish he would have PJ on the show. Both are smart guys, it would be a very interesting debate, much better than back-and-forth videos.