Stef Molyneux's Critique on Zeitgeist: Moving Forward

I can hardly wait to be a part of a civilization where money is obsolete.

I agree with Stefan. Go for it, but kindly let those of us who don't want to be a part of that community opt out and go our own way. If you turn guns on us, you're no better than the parasites and thugs that run our society now.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Venus_Project#Theory

According to Fresco, poverty, crime, corruption and war are the result of scarcity created by the present world's profit-based economic system. He theorizes that the profit motive also stifles the progress of socially beneficial technology. Fresco claims that the progression of technology, if it were carried on independently of its profitability, would make more resources available to more people by producing an abundance of products and materials. This new-found abundance of resources would, according to Fresco, reduce the human tendency toward individualism, corruption, and greed, and instead rely on people helping each other.[7][non-primary source needed] Fresco believes it is now possible to achieve a society in which people would live "longer, healthier, and more meaningful lives." [8] Fresco believes the monetary system and the processes associated with it, such as labour and competition, damages society and holds people back from their true potentials. He states his ideas would maximally benefit the greatest number of people. He claims some of his ideas stem from his formative years during the Great Depression.[9] Fresco believes the current global economic system will have to see a major crisis before people start to lose the confidence in the monetary system and start looking for other directions.[10] Fundamental to the project is what Fresco calls a "resource-based economy". A resource-based economy utilizes existing resources - rather than money - to provide an equitable method of distribution in the most humane and efficient manner. It is a system in which all goods and services are available to everyone without the use of money, credits, barter, or any other form of debt or servitude.[11]

Removing profit from an economy. This is like saying if you remove the engine from a car, the car will run better.
 
I agree with Stefan. Go for it, but kindly let those of us who don't want to be a part of that community opt out and go our own way. If you turn guns on us, you're no better than the parasites and thugs that run our society now.
It's a global community, there won't be anymore us vs them. The resources of the planet will be allocated by interdisciplinary teams. TZM isn't about building a fort to hide from the system, it's about educating folks to embrace the new system. The folks who want to hide from the resource based economy of the future will be fearing the guns of the other folks hiding from the resourced based economy, until surrender to the logic of the new paradigm is universally established. There won't really be any way to truly escape the resource based economy anymore than there is any way to truly escape the monetary market economy in place today.
 
It's a global community, there won't be anymore us vs them. The resources of the planet will be allocated by interdisciplinary teams. TZM isn't about building a fort to hide from the system, it's about educating folks to embrace the new system. The folks who want to hide from the resource based economy of the future will be fearing the guns of the other folks hiding from the resourced based economy, until surrender to the logic of the new paradigm is universally established. There won't really be any way to truly escape the resource based economy anymore than there is any way to truly escape the monetary market economy in place today.

So you're going to turn your guns on me? Well, fuck you and the white horse you think you're riding on. If you're unwilling to let other form their own societies then you're a parasite and human slime as far as I'm concerned.
 
So you're going to turn your guns on me? Well, fuck you and the white horse you think you're riding on. If you're unwilling to let other form their own societies then you're a parasite and human slime as far as I'm concerned.
I don't plan on hiding from the new resource based economy, thus I would not be living in the kind of scarcity that could provoke me or anyone else who embraces the new paradigm to revert to violence to survive.
 
It's a global community, there won't be anymore us vs them. The resources of the planet will be allocated by interdisciplinary teams. TZM isn't about building a fort to hide from the system, it's about educating folks to embrace the new system. The folks who want to hide from the resource based economy of the future will be fearing the guns of the other folks hiding from the resourced based economy, until surrender to the logic of the new paradigm is universally established. There won't really be any way to truly escape the resource based economy anymore than there is any way to truly escape the monetary market economy in place today.

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I don't plan on hiding from the new resource based economy, thus I would not be living in the kind of scarcity that could provoke me or anyone else who embraces the new paradigm to revert to violence to survive.

You wouldn't be living in scarcity? Yeah, right. If a resource-based economy is imposed on the entire world, then the entire world will slowly starve to death. Experiments like this were tried several times in the 20th century, and they were all colossal failures.
 
I don't plan on hiding from the new resource based economy, thus I would not be living in the kind of scarcity that could provoke me or anyone else who embraces the new paradigm to revert to violence to survive.

You just got through stating that I and others like me would be unable to form our own communities where we can do as we please. That means you're willing to use violence against us to make us conform to your views.
 
The people in the comments sections of these vids are implying that Peter will be debating Stefan on V-Radio on Monday. If true, that should be a popcorn worthy event. :D
 
The people in the comments sections of these vids are implying that Peter will be debating Stefan on V-Radio on Monday. If true, that should be a popcorn worthy event. :D

Yeah, but I think it's "not a debate," but a "discussion" or something like that. Which sometimes means it's a debate lol...
 
You just got through stating that I and others like me would be unable to form our own communities where we can do as we please. That means you're willing to use violence against us to make us conform to your views.
I said there will be no more us vs them. Within the monetary market paradigm, folks are constantly using violence against others to get them conform to not only their views, but also their system of resource allocation. In a RBE, folks will have their needs met first and their pleasures come second, analyzed by interdisciplinary teams that determine the most efficient way to allocate resources toward satisfying those pleasures. Folks can only do what they please insofar as the resources are there to manifest those pleasures, regardless of the community they decide to develop within any economic paradigm.
 
If a resource-based economy is imposed

The RBE is such an absurd term. Has there every been an economy that isn't based on resources? lol

And saying economies are "monetery based" today is stupid. There is a state enforced monopoly on todays money, and that is a big-big problem, but money isn't the basis of any economy, it's just a calculation system.

Free-marketers argue that people should be free to use any resource they see value in, as money. That's the resource based economy i want to live in. :)
 
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Yeah, but I think it's "not a debate," but a "discussion" or something like that. Which sometimes means it's a debate lol...

haha yea, it's definitely going to end up as a debate. They have been quite critical of eachothers ideas, to say the least, lol.
 
I said there will be no more us vs them. Within the monetary market paradigm, folks are constantly using violence against others to get them conform to not only their views, but also their system of resource allocation. In a RBE, folks will have their needs met first and their pleasures come second, analyzed by interdisciplinary teams that determine the most efficient way to allocate resources toward satisfying those pleasures. Folks can only do what they please insofar as the resources are there to manifest those pleasures, regardless of the community they decide to develop within any economic paradigm.

Again, you apparently do not see the cognitive dissonance manifest in your post. You're stating those like me cannot do as we wish because we will HAVE to live in YOUR 'resource-based economy' even if we don't choose to.
 
Any economic paradigm that is not akin to the monetary market system can easily be smeared as communist, just as any religious paradigm that is not akin to christianity can easily be smeared as satanist.

Not at all.

Removing money, profit, private property, and choice. This *IS* communism.
 
I said there will be no more us vs them. Within the monetary market paradigm, folks are constantly using violence against others to get them conform to not only their views, but also their system of resource allocation. In a RBE, folks will have their needs met first and their pleasures come second, analyzed by interdisciplinary teams that determine the most efficient way to allocate resources toward satisfying those pleasures. Folks can only do what they please insofar as the resources are there to manifest those pleasures, regardless of the community they decide to develop within any economic paradigm.
There is no scarcity. The world has such an abundance of resources that our current interdisciplinary teams refuse to let us have access to them. For example, farmers are paid to not grow crops, industrial hemp (which has numerous earth friendly uses) is illegal to grow, much of our land is off limits to drilling for oil, and people are being taught that we shouldn't eat animals. Your interdisciplinary teams can go to hell and take Agenda 21 with them.
 
Again, you apparently do not see the cognitive dissonance manifest in your post. You're stating those like me cannot do as we wish because we will HAVE to live in YOUR 'resource-based economy' even if we don't choose to.
We all have to live on the earth and share its resources. We can, however, resist the monetary market paradigm. Yet no matter how much we wish to resist it, we cannot avoid it because it is globally established. What will happen is that folks will choose to change to a resource based economy because they wish for salvation from the scarcity that is increasingly unavoidable within the monetary market based economy.
 
Resource based economy is a catchy phrase, and could also be described as a true economy.

I could just as easily say that I support a resource based economy and a "true economy", and we'd both be talking about very different things. I want an economy based on real resources, not FIAT. I don't see a problem here. I want an economy that is "true" whatever the fuck thats supposed to mean, lol.

Those are useless terms, and i think you're right about RBE being a "catchy" term. It's a clever marketing ploy, not much more.

The real thing that Zeitgeisters seem to be advocating is Central Planning, and the abolition of private property ownership and free-markets. Do you think this is fair to say? Why or why not?
 
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