Starting to think we won't win

[mikelovesgod]

It doesn't matter if we "win". The point is we change how the country thinks. The question is will Ron run in 2012? I think then it's a clear point where it's easy to get internet exposure and when in 4 more years there is more and more people believing less and less in the MSM.

The victory isn't in the presidency, it's in ridding the neo-cons from the party and rescuing the party from it's liberal roots.

 

[Chibioz]

Well said Melchior!

 

[Melchior]

The first priority should be to get him through the primary of course.

That's the only hard part.

If Ron Paul wins the general election the only thing we have to worry about is Obama (the only worthy contender), and the ruthless smear campaigns.

 

[Melchior]

It doesn't matter if we "win". The point is we change how the country thinks. The question is will Ron run in 2012? I think then it's a clear point where it's easy to get internet exposure and when in 4 more years there is more and more people believing less and less in the MSM.

The victory isn't in the presidency, it's in ridding the neo-cons from the party and rescuing the party from it's liberal roots.

Agreed. I wasn't even thinking about Ron Paul after 2008.

What I would like to see though is not just Ron Paul becoming well known and respected, I want to start seeing people who think like Ron Paul (limited government, free markets, individual liberty, etc) become more accepted into the mainstream.

Ron Paul can help open the doors to the Harry Browne's, the classic liberals and like minded people.

Well said Melchior!

Why thank you.

 

[Mattsa]

We probably won't win. But what matters is that we have a chance. Has anyone here every read the book The Moon is a Harsh Mistress? It's a libertarian sci-fi novel about a small group of people living on a Lunar colony who orchestrate a revolution against the government imposed on them by Earth. What first prompts them to revolt is when a computer calculates there odds of succeeding to be 1 in 7, with assurances that it will get worse as the revolution progresses. It's the same situation we're facing: the chances of winning aren't great, but it's entirely worth it.

Well said.

Better to do something and try our very hardest to change things....and maybe fail

.....Than to do nothing at all

I wish I was in America right now because I'd be out on the street spreading the word

 

[ChooseLiberty]

Agree with some of the above. Go for the win. And do some planning for the future.

This is just the starting point. It isn't going away. It's creeping/pouring into the American consciousness. Like a meme. And the ideas are growing fastest with the younger voters. They get it right away.

But don't be fooled by some of the career politicians giving lip service to some of Dr. Paul's Constitutional Libertarian ideas. They will try it as the wave rolls on.

As Bob Dylan wrote - The times they are a changin.

 

[mikelovesgod]

I really think this election will be THE wake-up call. No more Reagans for the Republicrats to pretend they are conservative, and no more demons to conjure up for their "war against those who oppose the US and Israel." Ariel Sharon affirmed this himself when he said the Jews run America by his own lips in 2001. Somehow repeating a Jew can make you anti-semitic.

I really believe the growth of the internet, the exposure of the NWO, CFR, and other ridiculous groups will become a mainstream enemy to the welfare of the country. My big fear is that Ron Paul is the ONLY principled congressmen there is so we need to win now.

Nevertheless, if we lose the nomination don't lose heart, don't lose the spirit that got us here. We will rebound and become more organized, more prepared, and all those people who call us spammers will know we are a legion of Americans who just want what the framers intended for us to have. The message works, but right now it's being shot down by ignoring and blacklisting the only person who speaks it.

That's the great tragedy.

 

[beermotor]

We probably won't win. But what matters is that we have a chance. Has anyone here every read the book The Moon is a Harsh Mistress? It's a libertarian sci-fi novel about a small group of people living on a Lunar colony who orchestrate a revolution against the government imposed on them by Earth. What first prompts them to revolt is when a computer calculates there odds of succeeding to be 1 in 7, with assurances that it will get worse as the revolution progresses. It's the same situation we're facing: the chances of winning aren't great, but it's entirely worth it.

Heinlein rules.

I didn't remember that it was 7 to 1 . . . coincidence that's what his odds are now?!

 

[Lesgov]

Let me just spill my brains here. Right now, probably 95% of libertarians and paleo-conservatives support Ron Paul. And we're only at 2% in scientific polls. Sure RP's got $5million now, but he's not getting donation nearly fast enough, even at a million a month, and once his grassroots run out of cash he'll start slowing down in his contributions. We could get independants to register Republican, but how many actually will? There won't be big numbers there. What needs to happen is we need to start taking back brainwashed neocons into the fold. Problem with that is, they'll need lots of propoganda to break down their propoganda. They'll get that from the msm, and the msm needs to start covering Ron Paul more. But the media will only cover Ron Paul when he has significant support, which will only happen when the MSM starts covering Ron Paul. Sure, we could take New Hampshire or Iowa, and that would get us attention, but to do that we actually need support first, and until then it's just wish furl thinking. Unless we push really hard, right now, and get a significant boost, before Eff Thompson gets in and eats up all the media time, Ron Paul won't have a chance.

What do you think?

The neocons are only what, 20% or less of the population? Same for the Democrats. That leaves 60% of the population that gave up hope or just don't care. This is our most powerful tool in our bag of tricks. These people will be won over by grass roots effort. That means we have to reach everyone we can personally. It's a huge job, we've got to spend less time on the puters, get out there and talk Ron Paul up. Tell your parents, tell your cousins, friends, neighbors.
I have some in my family that have never voted (in their late 50's), they are almost to the point of registering because they like what Ron Paul stands for. I feel very positive about Ron taking the whole thing.

 

[lucky]

No

I am expecting RP to win the Republican primary and then go on to smash by a huge margin whoever the Dems put up against him. He will be our President.

It will be a hard fought slug match but I know we are capable of withstanding anything that they throw at RP. After all RP is 71 years old and most of us are half that age and younger. If he can go the distance then why couldn't we? I will not be part of anyplace that thinks negatively. So we either go all out for a win or let me know so I can get off the train and find a winner.

 

[Liberty]

Remember how powerful the message is and it's just starting to get out. How many people like the IRS and paying taxes for example? Many people don't know what the federal reserve is, but know what the IRS is? Also, the majority of people know about the war in Iraq and want us out. Most people haven't heard of Ron Paul, but they will.

 

[rockfree33]

Don't give up hope, the fight has only just begun. He is going to be on Coast to Coast AM, which has over 5 million listeners, he's going to be at the National Taxpayers Union which has over 335,000 members, he is also going to be on Tucker Carson again along with future list of media programs. I just watched the Ron Paul Meetup group increase 300 people in 3 hours. At 100 people joining grassroots nationwide a hour that is certainly not a sign to give up.

 

[Bob Cochran]

What do you think?

I think this country was not built on the shoulders of those with defeatist attitudes.

 

[iamso910]

We have already won !

What I mean is, there has been a breakthrough in spreading the message of liberty, thanks to Ron Paul and the Internet.

In years past, his message would not have gotten out. Now, there is no telling how far and wide it can spread as the Internet begins its climb toward dominance over the MSM.

But even if Ron Paul becomes President, the fight is far from over. There are many more fights to be won, but what is great about the Ron Paul Revolution, is that it has shown momentum is moving in the right direction for the first time in a very long while.

Eternal vigilance against the state is always required. Hopefully in 10 years more people than not will understand that.

 

[dspectre]

I want to be quite foward about this, I think most of us believe Ron Paul will win, otherwise we wouldn't be doing this. I honestly believe Ron Paul will win.


If Ron Paul doesn't win, what do we have to lose? The position we are in now, we are already in a hole. So, if we try and lose it doesn't matter, because we lose if things go the normal route(either Republican or Democrat wins). The way I see it, if things go our way, the only thing we can do is win!!! We can only go up from here!


In spite of the fact, though, if he doesn't win, I don't care. This is bigger then winning, this is about making a stand. If Ron Paul makes a good showing, it will be obvious to everyone, and people might just start waking up.

 

[Blowback]

If Ron Paul doesn't win we are going to be totally fucked and will probably wind up living the rest of our lives in servitude.

Think about it that way. It isn't an option.

 

[Bob Cochran]

If Ron Paul doesn't win, what do we have to lose?

Right. Nothing to lose, go at it full bore, give as much money as you can, put up signs.......VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing that irritates me besides a defeatist attitude is this hand-wringing silliness we see in response to someone saying something negative about Ron Paul. "Oh no, someone said something bad about him, this is really going to hurt him, what are we going to do?"

Good Lord, people, stand up straight. Think and act and talk like you are backing a first class candidate with every hope and every right to sit in the Oval Office, because that is exactly the case with Ron Paul.

Fear nothing! Fear no one!

You're on a mission from God!

 

[disciple]

Right. Nothing to lose, go at it full bore, give as much money as you can, put up signs.......VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing that irritates me besides a defeatist attitude is this hand-wringing silliness we see in response to someone saying something negative about Ron Paul. "Oh no, someone said something bad about him, this is really going to hurt him, what are we going to do?"

Good Lord, people, stand up straight. Think and act and talk like you are backing a first class candidate with every hope and every right to sit in the Oval Office, because that is exactly the case with Ron Paul.

Fear nothing! Fear no one!

You're on a mission from God!

Yes, we are on a mission from God to bring sanity back and atone for the crimes commited in our name by electing a deserving man of peace and integrity. I stole the following quote from someone on the Patriot's Corner Forum, and I agree totally with what he has to say; this fight is not only about freedom and liberty, but about redeeming our souls and the soul of this nation, and this could very well be our last chance:

"It seems that Paul is pulling huge numbers of people to him, across all political lines with his message of Constitutional purity and honorableness. The fact that this includes the ending of the hostilities in Iraq, and getting our nations defenses off of foreign soil as offenders and back to being defenders of our own ports and borders, seems to be a growing spin-off. A spin-off that could result in the reconstitution of the Republican party to it's original platform, the platform espoused by Coolidge, Hoover, Taft, Goldwater, Reagan, Buchanan, and now Paul!

It is this wild card that Americans are watching now in spite of party affiliation or prejudices. All because the Constitutional message rings loud and clear from this humble country doctor with his grandfatherly appeal and forth-right straight talking style... Maybe God has truly heard all of our prayers for National forgiveness. Forgiveness for the scores of millions of wrongs committed collectively in our name. Perhaps He has given us this chance for redemption, this one last time...

JTCoyoté "

 

[dspectre]

Right. Nothing to lose, go at it full bore, give as much money as you can, put up signs.......VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

Another thing that irritates me besides a defeatist attitude is this hand-wringing silliness we see in response to someone saying something negative about Ron Paul. "Oh no, someone said something bad about him, this is really going to hurt him, what are we going to do?"

Good Lord, people, stand up straight. Think and act and talk like you are backing a first class candidate with every hope and every right to sit in the Oval Office, because that is exactly the case with Ron Paul.

Fear nothing! Fear no one!

You're on a mission from God!

Bob,

Good comment! You are exactly right! We are on a mission from God! Hear! Hear!

 

[Spirit of '76]

Glad to see that most of the people here on not subscribing to a defeatist attitude.

No matter what, though, and this bears constant repeating...

If you are not currently registered as a Republican, and you believe in the message Dr. Paul is spreading, go register as a Republican today and vote for Dr. Paul in your state's Republican primary

We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.