Starting to think we won't win

LibertyEagle said:
Quantumystic...

Hey, nice to meet you, man. I'm I guess what you would call a paleo-con, or a traditional conservative. No neocon BS for me, thank you very much.

Only a man like Dr. Paul could truly unite people across the entire political spectrum.
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Amen, brother!

Nice to meet you too. :D

My dad was a Goldwater Conservative. Me, I always was partial to Teddy Roosevelt. But lacking that, I went for civil liberties, and anti-corporatist-globalism.
 
Who knows what's going to happen? Right now we just have to fight the fight for freedom, and his name is Ron Paul. Win or lose, we could be starting a civil liberties legacy that outlives all of us.

I don't know about you, but this is in my soul. It's like everything I've read and seen in my whole life has led me to this one battle, and I am ready to fight. It's all I can do.
 
I think Ron and his team uses their money more efficiently than the other candidates, so I think he has good chance. Plus he has a nice support (free) team online, making videos like avaroth.
 
Speaking of "Paleo-Cons"...

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Define victory and you win

One of the most important lessons I've ever learned is about victory. Here's the special thing about it. You define it. Not your parents, not your siblings, not anyone else - only you.

The Ron Paul victory is defined as hope for America. Something I might argue that hasn't existed in the deep souls of Americans for generations. You've been force fed your culture, your media, what you should believe in. When are you going to take it back? When are you going to live on principle? When are you going to live free?

Ron Paul is different. He is not a candidate competing to be a slave to lobby interests, he is a Shepard of a message. His message, our message, is what we are fighting for. And the louder it gets, the more we win - the more your children win.

If Ron Paul wins, that would be wonderful but it wouldn't be the end. Remember, it wasn't the end when he was elected 10 times to congress, what makes you think giving him more power would be the end?

People win when they realize they can live a moral life, a free life - one based on the principles of liberty. The message is our victory.

I've read a number of Ron Paul's speeches and in a few he repeats "And let them say we did not do nothing!"

I am fighting for this reason.
I want my children to know that I did not do nothing!
I want my children to know, if he does lose and America turns into an Orweillian Amerika that I did not do nothing!
I want my children to know hope - that perhaps one day, if Ron Paul loses, that another like him will be encourage to step in his place because he or she will have support of free people.

Ron Paul's victory is Hope for America.
America's victory is Hope for Ron Paul.
 
The Globalist are coming, we have to win or we will be serfs and our chidren will be serfs. We have got by on the sacrafices of previous generations for way too long. it's time to say " I'm mad as hell and I'm not gonna' take it anymore!"
REVOLUTION, it's kinda' hard to stop.
 
Judge Napolitano just called Ron Paul the "Thomas Jefferson of our day". That is a HUUUUUUUUUUUGGGE endorsement from somone in the MSM. He coud have called him just another Pat Buchanan but he didn't and instead said he was another founding father.
 
angrydragon said:
I think Ron and his team uses their money more efficiently than the other candidates, so I think he has good chance. Plus he has a nice support (free) team online, making videos like avaroth.
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Yes, that's my thought. He has a paid staff of 6, and an unpaid staff of THOUSANDS.
Every other candidate has to pay for people to do things unpassionatley, that many of us passionatley do for FREE. That's why I said earlier, that 5 million for Paul is like 20 million for any other candidate.
 
Quantumystic said:
Where'd you get the pic of Cheney? LOL

ps- you've got mail on the Hi-Res "Revolution" banner.
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I laughed when I found the pic while looking for enough pics of Dr Paul to make a UV wrappped texture for a Flash 3D talking Avatar. I just had to do something with it.

I got the Flash doc with the rev logo..thx!!..saves me from converting the jpg I found. Will make some banner and such soon for the folks who are not so knowledgable of the grfx/web software.

Best Regards
Randy
http://randyblain.orgfree.com/RonPaulGRFX.html
 
The 2% poll numbers are skewed, I don't believe for a second that that is an accurate representation. Look at the straw poll at the Utah GOP convention - these aren't kids, they're not internet people - those are people who attended a GOP convention! We're at at least 5% with the 'base' of Republicans, and that doesn't take into account the LP, CP, independent, and crossover Democrat voters of whom there are obviously plenty. I'd put our real tally much higher than 2% total.
 
You're assuming that the grassroots will stay the same size through all of this. If his momentum continues, and he devotes a significant part of his $5 million toward building his campaign, then the grassroots will grow as a result, and that growth will translate into a comparable growth in donations.

Therion said:
Let me just spill my brains here. Right now, probably 95% of libertarians and paleo-conservatives support Ron Paul. And we're only at 2% in scientific polls. Sure RP's got $5million now, but he's not getting donation nearly fast enough, even at a million a month, and once his grassroots run out of cash he'll start slowing down in his contributions. We could get independants to register Republican, but how many actually will? There won't be big numbers there. What needs to happen is we need to start taking back brainwashed neocons into the fold. Problem with that is, they'll need lots of propoganda to break down their propoganda. They'll get that from the msm, and the msm needs to start covering Ron Paul more. But the media will only cover Ron Paul when he has significant support, which will only happen when the MSM starts covering Ron Paul. Sure, we could take New Hampshire or Iowa, and that would get us attention, but to do that we actually need support first, and until then it's just wish furl thinking. Unless we push really hard, right now, and get a significant boost, before Eff Thompson gets in and eats up all the media time, Ron Paul won't have a chance.

What do you think?
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I'd take a fucking bullet for Ron Paul. I mean what I say. I BELIEVE he can win. I'm in it for the long haul and I'm going to continue to contribute. As a Libertarian I'm going to DMV tomorrow and registering Republican. My wife is considering doing so as well. Doubters, IMHO, need not apply. Just my .02
 
There are two points that are key here:

1) $5M is big at this point in the game. If Ron Paul can produce a Q2 contribution report on June 30th showing $5-6M in contributions, this could launch him into the top 5 of Republican candidates. THIS WILL BE REPORTED IN THE MSM. See, right now, the MSM will not even mention RP AT ALL!! They saw the "blowback" (no pun intended, ok, pun intended) from the Hannity showdown, and they won't even mention RP anymore. Also, If RP is in the top 5 of candidates, the stigma of being a "second-tier" can no longer be a label that applies to Ron.

2) The Iowa Straw Poll will be held on August 11th. We may see some candidates drop out of the race prior to this poll, based on the June 30th contributions, as compared with other candidates. Also, Guiliani and McCain WILL NOT be there. Thus, Romney, Fred Thompson, and Ron Paul may be the only three from the top 5. If so, this could be an awesome opportunity for RP to gain donations, and support in the Midwest. If this happens WE MUST get to Ames in droves to support Ron. AND, no matter how much the MSM downplays the event, they are forced to cover it since it is a RNC-sponsored event, and it may be Fred Thompson's first campaign appearance. The MSM will be forced to cover Ron Paul (awe....)
 
Therion said:
Let me just spill my brains here. Right now, probably 95% of libertarians and paleo-conservatives support Ron Paul. And we're only at 2% in scientific polls. Sure RP's got $5million now, but he's not getting donation nearly fast enough, even at a million a month, and once his grassroots run out of cash he'll start slowing down in his contributions. We could get independants to register Republican, but how many actually will? There won't be big numbers there. What needs to happen is we need to start taking back brainwashed neocons into the fold. Problem with that is, they'll need lots of propoganda to break down their propoganda. They'll get that from the msm, and the msm needs to start covering Ron Paul more. But the media will only cover Ron Paul when he has significant support, which will only happen when the MSM starts covering Ron Paul. Sure, we could take New Hampshire or Iowa, and that would get us attention, but to do that we actually need support first, and until then it's just wish furl thinking. Unless we push really hard, right now, and get a significant boost, before Eff Thompson gets in and eats up all the media time, Ron Paul won't have a chance.

What do you think?
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We'll win, and it won't be the first time a goliath was brought down by the faithful.
 
All I have to say is; who cares if we don't win? I'm not even expecting it. If Ron Paul manages to overcome the incredible odds against him and actually win the nomination, I would be ecstatic, believe me, but I would also look out my window to check for any flying pigs.

The Ron Paul campaign isn't the final battle against corruption and evil in politics, in fact it's the first real battle taking place in the spotlight for once. I'm not expecting Ron Paul to win but in all honesty, I think the haters will be shocked by the numbers he'll be able to pull. Then the Republican Party (and hopefully the Democrats too) will pay attention and shape up. If not, another "Ron Paul" will come along and the battle will be even more fierce.

We are just getting started people, don't concern yourself over whether or not Ron Paul wins. It's not the person, it's the big picture.
 
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