Standing With Rand has broadened the liberty movement

[klamath]

You're right Ron Paul did nothing for us. I guess Jeb Bush would do a better job?

What is it that Rand is out to do? I've seen him try to stop some nasty things from happening. But how is he pushing back?

In response to this.^
How did Ron push back. What did he accomplish?

 

[Rocco]

I wouldn't say thats happened at all. In fact, Rand's policy proposals all move the ball radically in liberty's direction. Rand may not be an inch wide and 5 miles deep like Ron, but I'd say he's far more than "an inch deep" and the little bit of depth that he gives up ultimately serves to make those advancements possible beyond just theory.

Broadened...

The problem with broadening is that it becomes a mile wide and an inch deep.

What is it that Rand is out to do? I've seen him try to stop some nasty things from happening. But how is he pushing back?

What statements are there that equate to "Just come home", "End the Fed", or "Apply the Golden Rule"?

I'm not hating, I'm asking, in seriousness. If these statements of Rand's exist, I don't know of them.

 

[georgiaboy]

Excellent points, Rocco! bump

 

[Christian Liberty]

I'm not sure if you heard but Ron isn't running again.

I'm aware that this is almost certainly the case. So what?

Please do not compare Ted Cruz to Rand on foreign policy. I'm extremely offended by that as someone who is represented and voted for Ted Cruz. We both know they aren't even on the same planet with regards to foreign policy. If Rand wasn't MUCH MUCH better than all the other options, I wouldn't be an apologist for him on the topic of foreign policy.

Of course Rand is better than Cruz on foreign policy. That's not my point. My point is that the "least bad" option on foreign policy will always be defended. I don't know why Rand is appealing to neocons with the type of comments that were made in the email I posted recently.

His speech at the Nixon institute blew me away. No matter how you feel about the man, it's tough to deny his political aptitude.

Link?

Of course Rand has political aptitude. I wonder if he has too much of it.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I don't think Ron Paul has been included on any of the polls but... probably nobody. If Rand wasn't running you guys would be saying the same thing about Ted Cruz... or a Democrat (Since the Democrats are usually better on foreign policy than Ted "Israel-First" Cruz). But Rand is still nowhere near Ron Paul caliber on foreign policy.

 

[Brett85]

I don't know why Rand is appealing to neocons with the type of comments that were made in the email I posted recently.

He wasn't. Do you know what the term "neocon" actually means? It's not just a word that you throw around and give to anyone who doesn't support a 100% libertarian foreign policy.

 

[Christian Liberty]

He wasn't. Do you know what the term "neocon" actually means? It's not just a word that you throw around and give to anyone who doesn't support a 100% libertarian foreign policy.

You're right about that. But... I don't understand why Rand will waste his time fighting for a guy who in all probability is a traitor to Pakistan, yet he won't fight for Edward Snowden.

(Disclaimer: I don't actually care if someone decides to betray Pakistan, but I don't see why its the job of the US President to get involved either.)

 

[Christian Liberty]

Says the guy who actually does support Ted Cruz...

 

[Brett85]

You're right about that. But... I don't understand why Rand will waste his time fighting for a guy who in all probability is a traitor to Pakistan, yet he won't fight for Edward Snowden.

He's fighting to cut foreign aid and save taxpayers money, and presenting that message in a way that appeals to Republican voters.

 

[Christian Liberty]

He's fighting to cut foreign aid and save taxpayers money, and presenting that message in a way that appeals to Republican voters.

Well... yeah... but are there any Republican voters who actually want to send money to Pakistan or Egypt? Its really Israel that they seem obsessed over.

 

[jjdoyle]

He's fighting to cut foreign aid and save taxpayers money, and presenting that message in a way that appeals to Republican voters.

How so? If he is, shouldn't he be higher than 12% in a state like New Hampshire in some of these polls? I mean, for all the work he is supposedly doing that is working, he is polling less than what RP got in New Hampshire in 2012?

 

[mz10]

Deace is judging Rand by teocon standards. To people like him, calling someone "pro-amnesty" is like calling someone Satan incarnate. He seems to not realize that the liberty movement doesn't have the same nativist streak that the teocon wing does.

 

[whoisjohngalt]

He wasn't. Do you know what the term "neocon" actually means? It's not just a word that you throw around and give to anyone who doesn't support a 100% libertarian foreign policy.

Ron & Rand : us :: McCain, Graham, King, and Kristol : neocon

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Deace is judging Rand by teocon standards. To people like him, calling someone "pro-amnesty" is like calling someone Satan incarnate. He seems to not realize that the liberty movement doesn't have the same nativist streak that the teocon wing does.

Deace is one of the few political commentators that I actually value for his insight. That being said, Deace isn't always correct in his judgment. He endorsed arguably the biggest progressive on the stage in 2012 primary: Newt Gingrich

 

[Christian Liberty]

Deace is judging Rand by teocon standards. To people like him, calling someone "pro-amnesty" is like calling someone Satan incarnate. He seems to not realize that the liberty movement doesn't have the same nativist streak that the teocon wing does.

I don't, but I still don't think people should be able to come over from another country and take welfare benefits: or to vote against our constitution. I don't think immigrants should be allowed to vote or collect welfare (Ultimately I think both welfare and voting should be abolished, but one thing at a time.)

 

[fisharmor]

The same question can be asked of Ron. What did he Ever accomplish? multiple failed attempts at higher office, thousands of no votes that as far as I know NEVER were the deciding factor in defeating any major horrible legislation. Did he educate? Did he educate enough to change things? Maybe if Rand is elected but then again maybe not even that if what the purests say is true of Rand.
So did we pay a congressman from texas millions over thirty years to make meaningless no votes and collect earmarks for his district? From what I hear around these forums the country is going to hell even faster so obviously his tax funded education career accomplished nothing.

I think it's clear from my post that I was not asking what Rand actually would accomplish.
I asked - again, I thought clearly - what sweeping statements Rand has made.
When has he stated unequivocally that all troops should come home?
When has he stated without flinching that we should close all our overseas bases?
When has he made no equivocation about ending central banking in the US?

And again, I thought I was clear, but apparently not - I am not being a smartass. If these statements exist, I want to know.
I do not know of their existence, so if they do exist, please tell me.

 

[philipped]

I remember the other piece in this section where this guy was talking about Rand. I think that Rand is building the numbers, but he also is making it clear to y'all in this forum, and everyone else, HE IS NOT HIS FATHER. Rand wants libertarianism MAINSTREAM but to do so,he must first blend it with a double shot of conservatism.

I just hope that we can start hearing them talking about underestimating him and seeing him turn the liberty movement into something in the same level of national relevancy as the Tea Party (with obviously better perception). Go Rand! Go!