SPOILERS -- The Force Awakens Discussion -- SPOILERS

[ChristianAnarchist]

I'm surprised to see there isn't more activity on this thread. I'm going to see the movie today and I'll post my comments after. I've read what has been said so far and I'm not so thrilled with what I've heard but I'll decide after seeing it. I guess the movie industry will get my $45 dollars whether it's good or bad (there are 3 of us going).

 

[specsaregood]

I'm surprised to see there isn't more activity on this thread. I'm going to see the movie today and I'll post my comments after. I've read what has been said so far and I'm not so thrilled with what I've heard but I'll decide after seeing it. I guess the movie industry will get my $45 dollars whether it's good or bad (there are 3 of us going).

Just don't go into it looking to find stuff to be upset about and you'll really enjoy it. Everybody I know in real life that has seen it, thought it was great. I'm not gonna question abilities and whatnot as the ways of force are mysterious.

 

[pcosmar]

The cut...the fall. Then the planet blew up. If he was to survive, it would be so implausible as to be a joke.

http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Infinite_Improbability_Drive

 

[wizardwatson]

I'm surprised to see there isn't more activity on this thread. I'm going to see the movie today and I'll post my comments after. I've read what has been said so far and I'm not so thrilled with what I've heard but I'll decide after seeing it. I guess the movie industry will get my $45 dollars whether it's good or bad (there are 3 of us going).

Well, I didn't assume anyone would be checking the spoiler thread to decide to watch or not.

To those who haven't seen it yet, I'd say it was an ok "experience". It's hard to judge a movie that's the 7th in a series without knowing whether you've seen all the others or whether you barely know the story. It is definitely fun to be "in the know" when all these storylines merge, and you now know a new chapter in the characters life. Every scene you're like "oh my gosh it's so and so!" You want to reach over to whoever you know and go "look look!" to make sure they got the reference. That accounts for a lot of the enjoyment.

People applauded it after we watched, they do that very rarely in my experience.

 

[Cabal]

I'm surprised to see there isn't more activity on this thread. I'm going to see the movie today and I'll post my comments after. I've read what has been said so far and I'm not so thrilled with what I've heard but I'll decide after seeing it. I guess the movie industry will get my $45 dollars whether it's good or bad (there are 3 of us going).

It's not a bad movie overall. It's actually quite enjoyable. There are only a few things that bothered me, and they're rather nitpicky sorts of things that could have been handled better, but ultimately don't detract too much from the overall package. I wouldn't say it quite has the magic that the original movies brought--it is notoriously difficult to reproduce the original magic after all--but it's still a decent addition to the franchise.

 

[Cabal]

Kylo Ren had two motivations for not using his full strength in that scene: he just killed his father (and his grief was influencing him) and he wanted to turn Rey.Rey is operating in "he just killed Han, he'll kill me too" mode. And who is to say she isn't the child of two strong force sensitives---Luke and Mara Jade? I wouldn't say anyone won the fight, more like a draw.

He had sustained several wounds, including lightsaber wounds from both Rey and Finn, and a blaster bolt from Chewie. He was also disarmed and downed. He quite clearly lost the duel. I don't really see how you can claim it was anything remotely close to a draw.

Snoke did tell Kylo he wanted him to bring the girl to him, so it is likely that may have been his intention. However, your point about the grief doesn't really compute in the context of the darkside. Negative emotions fuel the darkside, and those who use it, making them stronger, not weaker.

 

[fisharmor]

Im not reading the thread because I will still watch it on video, but I found out today my suspicion that Han and Leia were separated was correct.

I am not buying a ticket for that. Hollywood writers are so fucking lazy that they apparently can't leave what was the only genuine romance for a generation of children in tact, and for what? I am convinced its because they couldn't find a single writer who could figure out what to write for a couple who had been together 30 years, because if you think about it, when has that situation ever occurred in a movie before?

Nope, couldn't be bothered breaking ground there, let's just take the easy way out and split them up. Assholes.

 

[specsaregood]

He had sustained several wounds, including lightsaber wounds from both Rey and Finn, and a blaster bolt from Chewie. He was also disarmed and downed. He quite clearly lost the duel. I don't really see how you can claim it was anything remotely close to a draw.

That's what Mace Windu thought; right before he got shot up with lightning up the ass and blown out the window. Those sith are tricky.

 

[specsaregood]

Im not reading the thread because I will still watch it on video, but I found out today my suspicion that Han and Leia were separated was correct.

I am not buying a ticket for that. Hollywood writers are so fucking lazy that they apparently can't leave what was the only genuine romance for a generation of children in tact, and for what? I am convinced its because they couldn't find a single writer who could figure out what to write for a couple who had been together 30 years, because if you think about it, when has that situation ever occurred in a movie before?

Nope, couldn't be bothered breaking ground there, let's just take the easy way out and split them up. Assholes.

You assume they are separated because they were no longer in love. I don't recall that being the case; in fact they are clearly still romantic partners; but life is tough.

 

[Cabal]

That's what Mace Windu thought; right before he got shot up with lightning up the ass and blown out the window. Those sith are tricky.

As far as we know, Kylo Ren was/is not Sith. Sith, in the context of the Order, are darkside Force users, but darkside Force users are not necessarily Sith. Also, Mace was betrayed by Anakin as well. Had Anakin not intervened, Mace would have killed Palpatine.

For all intents and purposes, Kylo was defeated. Going to need more than rather baseless assumption and speculation to make a case for a draw, IMO.

 

[specsaregood]

Also, Mace was betrayed by Anakin as well. Had Anakin not intervened, Mace would have killed Palpatine.

Which was all planned and the exact reason Palpatine put himself into the position where he looked defeated; in order to force Anakin to make that choice. Palpatine had been planning that eventuality since he first met Anakin as a child.

For all intents and purposes, Kylo was defeated. Going to need more than rather baseless assumption and speculation to make a case for a draw, IMO.

Its all just speculation; but making oneself look defeated is hardly a revolutionary concept.

 

[Cabal]

Which was all planned and the exact reason Palpatine put himself into the position where he looked defeated; in order to force Anakin to make that choice. Palpatine had been planning that eventuality since he first met Anakin as a child.

Yes, I understand that, but my point still stands. Had Anakin not betrayed Mace, Mace would have killed Palpatine. So, that situation isn't really analogous to this one.

Its all just speculation; but making oneself look defeated is hardly a revolutionary concept.

He didn't just look defeated though. He was bleeding profusely from his wounds--literally staining the ground with his blood before he even got cut up by what I recall to be multiple saber slashes. Even relatively minor-looking saber wounds will deal significant, potentially incapacitating damage.

 

[fisharmor]

You assume they are separated because they were no longer in love. I don't recall that being the case; in fact they are clearly still romantic partners; but life is tough.

She ended up being a sex slave for a giant slug to try to get him back at one point. I can't think of something tougher than that that would split them up.
My lazy asshole writer detector was finely tuned by none other than George Lucas himself. They've gotta do better than that if I'm gonna blow $50 to take my family to see this.

 

[Cabal]

She ended up being a sex slave for a giant slug to try to get him back at one point. I can't think of something tougher than that that would split them up.
My lazy asshole writer detector was finely tuned by none other than George Lucas himself. They've gotta do better than that if I'm gonna blow $50 to take my family to see this.

They made the Han/Leia separation part of the fallout of Kylo's fall to the darkside, primarily. I think Leia's role in the Resistance may have also been a factor, IIRC. It didn't seem like they were on bad terms or anything, FWIW.

 

[UWDude]

The more I thought about this movie I went from thinking this movie was to alright to agreeing with you and thinking "I saw another crappy movie."
When I first walked out of this movie I was blinded by nostalgia. I wanted this movie to kick ass, but it didn't.
If people want to see awesome movies that are part of a franchise that don't totally sh!t on the originals. Go see the movies Creed and Mad Max: Fury Road. In my opinion these were also the two best films of 2015.
I'm also hoping for good things with the Point Break remake.

I saw fury road in the theater and loved it.

 

[fisharmor]

I saw fury road in the theater and loved it.

It was the best thing to happen to cinema in 20 years... right up to the point where the perfectly in-focus guitar careens toward the camera. They did it again with the steering wheel. So there was some nonsense in that movie, too.

FYI everyone, if you want to see a spectacle movie that doesn't skimp on the spectacle AND has decent writing.... AND, believe it or not, has a really intelligent plot going on, check out Edge of Tomorrow. It doesn't shit on the original because.... get this.... it IS an orriginal.

 

[fisharmor]

They made the Han/Leia separation part of the fallout of Kylo's fall to the darkside, primarily. I think Leia's role in the Resistance may have also been a factor, IIRC. It didn't seem like they were on bad terms or anything, FWIW.

Now see I'm getting that he's their kid from that. Fuck it, if all the spoilers are that fucktarded then I might as well just spoil it. In any case I'm not expecting my intelligence to go unquestioned when I watch it.

Next someone's going to tell me the First Order is really just looking for unobtanium.

 

[VIDEODROME]

It was the best thing to happen to cinema in 20 years... right up to the point where the perfectly in-focus guitar careens toward the camera. They did it again with the steering wheel. So there was some nonsense in that movie, too.

FYI everyone, if you want to see a spectacle movie that doesn't skimp on the spectacle AND has decent writing.... AND, believe it or not, has a really intelligent plot going on, check out Edge of Tomorrow. It doesn't shit on the original because.... get this.... it IS an orriginal.

I saw Edge of Tomorrow in the cinema and was very pleased with it. In fact, I sometimes wondered what Star Wars directed by Doug Liman would be like since he did this and the first Bourne Identity. Liman doing a lightsaber fight would be unbelievably epic and choreographed.


As for Mad Max, it still reigns as my movie of the year.

 

[VIDEODROME]

Only Liam Neesan is badass enough to grab a lightsaber.

While obviously edited with FX by a YouTube amateur, it's still interesting to see this fight. Even without the light saber effect, this IMO one of the best sword fights in a film.

I just think it's interesting to contrast the actual Star Wars fight scenes with this. Oddly enough, I think this is not far off from when Darth faced Luke in the cloud city aside from the radical difference in the set. The pacing of this fight is so different from Force Awakens.

 

[ChristianAnarchist]

Ok, just saw it. I really did like the movie but it is deja-vu all over again for sure. It's like the writers wanted to have a "history repeats itself" theme or maybe they were just too lazy to think up something new. It was good, just not great but really, who would expect the 7th in a series to invoke the feelings of the first experience??