Split: Questions/concerns about the Kent Snyder chip-in

How would knowing more about the circumstances surrounding his death, change the fact that Kent's family owes hundreds of thousands in hospital medical bills?

Because I have yet seen any fact that his "family" owes any medical bills.
I have no position really on this thread, but it seems like you are not understanding that there are some people who would like to contribute, but they want to know what they are contributing to... and to whom, and for what.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

I posted an article on pneumonia because Sandra was making statements like perfectly healthy people die from pneumonia all the time... and that is not the case.
pneumonia is usually the final stage of something else. It was not in an effort to prove something devious was going on...

I know medical expenses can be a bit much, but my father's open heart surgery was $100,000 total. He was in the hospital for a week.

The only story I've heard is... "all of sudden he dies of pneumonia and his family is stuck with $400,000 in medical bills and needs help"
OK- as a community of caring people we should help our fellow brothers and sisters. But to some people, the numbers don't add up without more facts.
Is that wrong?
 
Getting verification of the amount is perfectly understandable, IMO. Last time I checked, the chip-in was at about 28k. So it's pretty darn far from getting into the gray zone, don't you think?

I wonder if seeing a scanned document from the hospital, indicating the estimate of the expenses, would be enough for some people though.

By the way, healthy people DO die from pneumonia. Luckily, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.
 
I've known a person that died in their sleep from letting it go untreated. She kept saying it was bronchitis but bronchitis doesn't last that long. She and looked pale with blue lips, everyone said she should go to the doctor but she insisted she had it so much, she knew bronchitis when she had it. A few weeks later they found that she had passed away in her bed. She seemed healthy up until then.

What puzzles me, is my Dad had emphysema and asbestoses for 30 years and smoked cigarettes like crazy and was in horrible health. I mean he coughed up blood and was hooked up to oxygen the whole time, he looked like he would pass any minute! How did he live 30 years like that?!
 
Because I have yet seen any fact that his "family" owes any medical bills.
I have no position really on this thread, but it seems like you are not understanding that there are some people who would like to contribute, but they want to know what they are contributing to... and to whom, and for what.

I don't see anything wrong with that.

I posted an article on pneumonia because Sandra was making statements like perfectly healthy people die from pneumonia all the time... and that is not the case.
pneumonia is usually the final stage of something else. It was not in an effort to prove something devious was going on...

I know medical expenses can be a bit much, but my father's open heart surgery was $100,000 total. He was in the hospital for a week.

The only story I've heard is... "all of sudden he dies of pneumonia and his family is stuck with $400,000 in medical bills and needs help"
OK- as a community of caring people we should help our fellow brothers and sisters. But to some people, the numbers don't add up without more facts.
Is that wrong?

It was announced on a newsletter that he was hospitalised. The newsletter came out about a monthe before RP made the announcement to stop the campaign.

I think most deaths occur because people are reluctant to see a doctor.
 
Getting verification of the amount is perfectly understandable, IMO. Last time I checked, the chip-in was at about 28k. So it's pretty darn far from getting into the gray zone, don't you think?

I wonder if seeing a scanned document from the hospital, indicating the estimate of the expenses, would be enough for some people though.

By the way, healthy people DO die from pneumonia. Luckily, it doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

yeh, they said the risk in minimal. not that no healthy person has every died from pnuemonia. But it is rare. especially with $400,000 in antibiotics or antivirals or cough medicines and expensive doctors/medical facilities.

It make more sense if he just didn't go to the hospital, and then he died from lack of treatment if he was perfectly healthy.

I think the scanned doc of the bills owed would be sufficient for most.
Even if his family didn't owe it, Kent owed it, and it should be paid if the hospital wasn't purposefully overcharging, like some do.
An itemized bill of how $400,000 was racked up would do it for me.
Some others may want to know if his family had signed a promise to pay or something, as in, they may not want to donate if its just to save their inheritance.

People have different reasons, and this isn't the best place to get answers, just speculations.
But some links to some info provided by those who are collecting on his behalf would go a long way i'm sure. And not for the purpose of just being nosey, but so people feel they are giving charity where charity is due.
 
It was announced on a newsletter that he was hospitalised. The newsletter came out about a monthe before RP made the announcement to stop the campaign.

I think most deaths occur because people are reluctant to see a doctor.

That is true, most people will die because they don't seek treatment.
$400,000 dollars says he sought treatment. So that just leaves further questions.

If you went in for treatment for pneumonia and came out with a $400,000 dollar medical bill, wouldn't you want to know what the hell cost that much?
 
An itemized bill of how $400,000 was racked up would do it for me.
Some others may want to know if his family had signed a promise to pay or something, as in, they may not want to donate if its just to save their inheritance.

The family isn't going to get the final bills for some time. I had surgery several months ago and it took months to get the bills. One is STILL outstanding. The big one too... from the hospital.

All they would have at this point is the hospital's estimate. He was in there for at least a month and it's my understanding that for most of that time he was in intensive care.
I know medical expenses can be a bit much, but my father's open heart surgery was $100,000 total. He was in the hospital for a week.
Didn't Dr. Paul say in that article he wrote that Kent had been coming down sick for awhile and while his doctors begged him to slow down, Kent refused because he was so dedicated to the campaign? That's not verbatim of course.
 
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The family isn't going to get the final bills for some time. I had surgery several months ago and it took months to get the bills. One is STILL outstanding. The big one too... from the hospital.

All they would have at this point is the hospital's estimate. He was in there for at least a month and it's my understanding that for most of that time he was in intensive care.

Didn't Dr. Paul say in that article he wrote that Kent had been coming down sick for awhile and while his doctors begged him to slow down, Kent refused because he was so dedicated to the campaign? That's not verbatim of course.

Hospitalized for a month? For pneumonia?
I've had it several times because i don't seek treatment, my immune system worked wonders.
I can understand why others would have question marks above their head.

Who would be the right person to ask for clarification?
 
I don't doubt a bit the $400k bill, I was in the hospital overnight once, not even 24 hours, and it was $15k--and it wasn't intensive care.
 
Hospitalized for a month? For pneumonia?

Yes. If you're not getting well, they keep you.
I've had it several times because i don't seek treatment, my immune system worked wonders.
You're also in your early 20's, aren't you? Things don't work as well when you get older. ;)

Personally, I had bacterial pneumonia once. I didn't know what it was until my head felt like it was hit by a brick and I started running a very high fever. Apparently, it had gotten in my bloodstream. I was extremely healthy before this, but I was kept in the hospital for almost 2 weeks. It wasn't something you could just work through on your own.

Who would be the right person to ask for clarification?

Not sure. I let a couple of people know about the requests. But to be honest with you, if they started reading from the start of this thread, I would imagine they would have quickly gotten disgusted and stopped reading. :(
 
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Didn't Dr. Paul say in that article he wrote that Kent had been coming down sick for awhile and while his doctors begged him to slow down, Kent refused because he was so dedicated to the campaign? That's not verbatim of course.

I don't believe it was r.p. who said that... in fact, i think it was on the kentsnyder.com chip-in site.
 
Yes. If you're not getting well, they keep you.

You're also in your early 20's, aren't you? Things don't work as well when you get older. ;)

Personally, I had bacterial pneumonia once. I didn't know what it was until my head felt like it was hit by a brick and I started running a very high fever. Apparently, it had gotten in my bloodstream. I was extremely healthy before this, but I was kept in the hospital for almost 2 weeks. It wasn't something you could just work through on your own.



Not sure. I let a couple of people know about the requests. But to be honest with you, if they started reading from the start of this thread, I would imagine they would have quickly gotten disgusted and stopped reading. :(

Well, yeh, some people were a bit over the top, and that took away from the geniune need for just a few facts.
To some, it seems like withholding facts, it may be they don't have all the bills.
$400,000 is a round number, most bills are not round numbers.
 
Hospitalized for a month? For pneumonia?
I've had it several times because i don't seek treatment, my immune system worked wonders.
I can understand why others would have question marks above their head.

Who would be the right person to ask for clarification?

Brent! Are you crazy? Get your butt to a doctor next time. Pnuemonia can scar your lungs. ;)
 
Brent! Are you crazy? Get your butt to a doctor next time. Pnuemonia can scar your lungs. ;)

I've survived some severe illnesses on natural immunity alone throughout my life.
My white blood cells carry bazooka's ;)
I almost died of food poisoning back in october/november of 07.
Thing was.. I thought i had a stomach bug (which it kinda is), but didn't realise the yogurt I was eating was tainted bad... so i kept eating it.... for like 7 to 10 days.... continuously poisoning myself without knowing it.
I remember nights, were i could hardly breathe, my body had become totally stiff, and i could not keep a thought in my head... for the first time in my life, i really didn't think i'd wake up in the morning.
pretty scary stuff, but growing up, my mother was tight with the little money we had, so we never went to the doc, and i never had antibiotics until i was much older.
I think that has helped me in many ways.

Water and lemons got me through the recovery. Lost a lot of weight too. Great diet. ;) (i can laugh about it now..but yeh, i should have went to the hospital, i was lucky this gamble paid off)
 
If anyone is saying on this forum that Snyder died of HIV, and he did die of pneumonia, is it slander or libel since it's in permaprint in this forum?

No. You can't libel a dead man. One of the first thing about torts you learn in law classes.

The salary that the campaign staff was paid, given the location they had to live in order to work at the Arlington headquarters WAS peanuts. :)


An annual salary of $71k in the DC area, is not exactly exhorbitant.

From what I have heard from staffers during the campaign, the campaign HQ was set in Arlington ONLY because Kent Snyder lived there. It was said by the staffers that the best location would be in Texas along with Dr. Paul's Congressional headquarters, where much of the work was done anyway and where there would be plenty of volunteers-- the campaign was always begging for volunteers in Arlington.

So, as campaign manager Kent would have controlled the location of the HQ and the salaries of the staff.

There are few pre-existing conditions I can think of that totally and completely rule someone out for a health insurance policy; the most likely culprit has been mentioned many times in this thread, and there are possibly some rare genetic diseases. My mom had cancer a few years ago, and even she can get a health insurance policy.

However, $71k for a single man almost 50 years old is enough of an annual salary to have substantial savings built up. Dr. Paul said Kent left a very well-paying job in California to go to work for him in Washington, DC. He should have had a 401k or other similar type of retirement account from that job, with substantial savings left from it.

$71,000 a year is a well-paying job even for someone with a family, let alone a single person. A single friend of mine makes $45,000 a year and has built up $20,000 savings in his first year of working alone, simply because he doesn't have a family to provide for. My friend doesn't live like a pauper, either. A person living similarly on $71,000 could build up close to $50,000 a year in savings and $40,000 at the least. This is especially true if the campaign reimbursed him for food and things he'd normally be paying for anyway.

Over the more than 25 years that a 49-year-old man has been working, that sort of savings should collect substantial interest over time with sound money management. Kent seemed like a very intelligent guy in his interviews; I can't imagine that he had no savings collected. I think it wouldn't be over the top to imagine that unless he had some sort of huge debts or expenses that a normal person wouldn't have (such as those associated with certain long-term illnesses), he could have had several hundred thousand stored up due to prudent investing. Something just doesn't add up.

While I don't object to the idea of a Chip-In, I just don't see how a man in Kent's position could have not had this sort of thing planned and saved up for. It seems contrary to everything we came to know about Snyder, and it leaves him, Ron Paul and all libertarians open to the sort of idiotic babble that someone linked from Huffington Post earlier. It just feeds on the universal health care arguments.
 
That was exactly my point. Yes.



That has not ever been my experience, but even with per diems, one still usually fronts the money and files an expense report for reimbursement.

Maybe it is a regional difference. Per diems are usually paid in advance, simply because the pay scale of those workers usually means a hardship if they have to out out of pocket.
 
A person living similarly on $71,000 could build up close to $50,000 a year in savings and $40,000 at the least. This is especially true if the campaign reimbursed him for food and things he'd normally be paying for anyway.

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