Split: Questions/concerns about the Kent Snyder chip-in

How do you know it was pneumonia if you did not go to a MD?

You have to be an MD to read and understand your own body?

Pneumonia is not a specific disease. It is a general term for several kinds of inflammation of the lungs. Pneumonia is usually caused by a bacterial or viral infection, but it can also be caused by chemical damage to the lungs from inhaling a poisonous gas such as chlorine. The pneumonia, or lung inflammation, can be anything from a mild complication of an upper respiratory tract infection to a life- threatening illness.

The symptoms, the treatment, the impact, and the outcome of pneumonia depend on the cause, the general health of the person concerned, and on other factors. Viral pneumonia, for instance, does not respond to treatment with antibiotics. See the accompanying table for a comparison of the causes and likely results of five of the most common types of pneumonia.

The variability of pneumonia has led to many popular and medical descriptive terms. If you are told that you have "double" pneumonia, it means that both your lungs are affected. If your attack is due to bacteria-like microbes called Mycoplasma, you may be said to have "atypical" pneumonia. "Bronchopneumonia" is patchy inflammation of one or both lungs, and "lobar" pneumonia affects the entire area of one or more lobes of the lung. When your physician determines what kind of pneumonia you have, you can ask for a description of that type.

What are the symptoms?

No single symptom is characteristic of all types of pneumonia. You should consider the possibility of pneumonia, however, if you already have a respiratory illness with symptoms such as a cough and fever, and you become short of breath while at rest and for no apparent reason. Additional symptoms to watch for besides coughing and a temperature are chills; sweating; chest pains; cyanosis, or a bluish tinge to the skin; blood in the phlegm; and, occasionally, mental confusion or delirium. The larger the lung area that is affected, the more severe the symptoms you experience will be.

How quickly the symptoms begin and which symptoms are most prominent varies with the cause of the infection. An especially virulent strain of the influenza virus can cause a pneumonia that can kill a feeble person within 24 hours. In a healthy young adult, pneumonia resulting from a mild respiratory infection might cause symptoms that are no worse than those of an ordinary cold.

I also have a cousin who is a nurse practitioner who I use for scripts and to verify my diagnosis.
It's amazing, after reading, and using the 5-minute clinic pda software that most doctors use for diagnosis, i can figure out with a high degree of accuracy what I am suffering from...

The only one I missed was the food poisoning and that was because my brain was flooded with so many toxins I could no longer use that organ to full effect.
 
I thought that without a chest x-ray it is hard to tell pbeumonia from bronchitis though. I'm not in the medical field. That's just a thought I had in my head from hearing tales other people tell.

But I haven't ever had it, because I have an immune system that literally attacks my freaking organs when it kicks into high gear. It runs at high speeds at all times.

I rarely get sick because of it. The only time I ever had the flu was when I was on a mega-prednisone drip during a "flare."
 
I thought that without a chest x-ray it is hard to tell pbeumonia from bronchitis though. I'm not in the medical field. That's just a thought I had in my head from hearing tales other people tell.

But I haven't ever had it, because I have an immune system that literally attacks my freaking organs when it kicks into high gear. It runs at high speeds at all times.

I rarely get sick because of it. The only time I ever had the flu was when I was on a mega-prednisone drip during a "flare."

Think of it as a common cold, left unchecked, that gets so severe, it feels like a nail is rammed through your lung. you can't breathe... cough up blood.... and you are not a smoker. Don't need an x-ray to confirm you've cross the line of cold to pneumonia.
 
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Why was what I said dumb exactly? I was comparing a single 49-year-old campaign manager of a national presidential campaign who lived in an apartment to a single 25-year-old lowly political staffer who lives in an apartment in roughly the same area.

A 49-year-old single man should theoretically have more savings built up than a 25-year-old single man still paying off student debt and learning how to manage money.
I don't see what's controversial or dumb about that.
 
My father, a physician would say that human beings are very fragile and that people can die of all sorts of unusual things.

The past year, the flu and pneumonia and bronchitis was particularly bad in the D.C. area.

Left untreated, pneumonia can kill very young people.
 
No. You can't libel a dead man. One of the first thing about torts you learn in law classes.



From what I have heard from staffers during the campaign, the campaign HQ was set in Arlington ONLY because Kent Snyder lived there. It was said by the staffers that the best location would be in Texas along with Dr. Paul's Congressional headquarters, where much of the work was done anyway and where there would be plenty of volunteers-- the campaign was always begging for volunteers in Arlington.

So, as campaign manager Kent would have controlled the location of the HQ and the salaries of the staff.

There are few pre-existing conditions I can think of that totally and completely rule someone out for a health insurance policy; the most likely culprit has been mentioned many times in this thread, and there are possibly some rare genetic diseases. My mom had cancer a few years ago, and even she can get a health insurance policy.

However, $71k for a single man almost 50 years old is enough of an annual salary to have substantial savings built up. Dr. Paul said Kent left a very well-paying job in California to go to work for him in Washington, DC. He should have had a 401k or other similar type of retirement account from that job, with substantial savings left from it.

$71,000 a year is a well-paying job even for someone with a family, let alone a single person. A single friend of mine makes $45,000 a year and has built up $20,000 savings in his first year of working alone, simply because he doesn't have a family to provide for. My friend doesn't live like a pauper, either. A person living similarly on $71,000 could build up close to $50,000 a year in savings and $40,000 at the least. This is especially true if the campaign reimbursed him for food and things he'd normally be paying for anyway.

Over the more than 25 years that a 49-year-old man has been working, that sort of savings should collect substantial interest over time with sound money management. Kent seemed like a very intelligent guy in his interviews; I can't imagine that he had no savings collected. I think it wouldn't be over the top to imagine that unless he had some sort of huge debts or expenses that a normal person wouldn't have (such as those associated with certain long-term illnesses), he could have had several hundred thousand stored up due to prudent investing. Something just doesn't add up.

While I don't object to the idea of a Chip-In, I just don't see how a man in Kent's position could have not had this sort of thing planned and saved up for. It seems contrary to everything we came to know about Snyder, and it leaves him, Ron Paul and all libertarians open to the sort of idiotic babble that someone linked from Huffington Post earlier. It just feeds on the universal health care arguments.

QFT +100,000

Far from being "faceplant dumb" this is one of the most intelligent and common sense postings I have seen.

If a campaign is all about people taking "personal responsibility" for their own lives... then it behooves those in charge of that campaign to demonstrate it by "walking the walk." And this scenario proves they did otherwise (complete with the "begging" for others to pay the bills).

Why have not Mr. Snyder's "close" friends -- those who seem so quick to canonize him -- simply stepped up to the plate and tossed in a few grand each (some, like RP himself, or Lew Rockwell, etc. should be easily able to do so without putting more than a small "dent" in their savings) -- in short order a group of 50 or so "responsible" people should be able to pay off the $400K.

When *MY FRIENDS* have been in desperate financial need, I have helped them (including upwards to several thousand dollars in more than one case) -- I did not see a need to erect web pages trying to guilt trip others to donate to them.

I think the chip-in is something that RP and others should be ASHAMED of; because if shows how little THEY are willing to do for this "friend" the purportedly admired so much.
 
Why was what I said dumb exactly? I was comparing a single 49-year-old campaign manager of a national presidential campaign who lived in an apartment to a single 25-year-old lowly political staffer who lives in an apartment in roughly the same area.

A 49-year-old single man should theoretically have more savings built up than a 25-year-old single man still paying off student debt and learning how to manage money.

I don't see what's controversial or dumb about that.
There was nothing dumb about your comment.

That "faceplant" as a reply... well, a recent comment on a Salon.com article seems appropriate here:

Four-year-olds see their preferred politicians as god-like fathers (or mothers) whose virtuous character will guarantee good judgment. If a judgment looks questionable to you, then it's because you don't know all the facts that mommy and daddy know, or it's because you aren't as wise as them.
I think these kind of "faceplant" pictures are illustrative of that "four-year-old" mentality.

After all, how many times have we had to endure the "Ron knows what he is doing... he's a master politician" or the various other "Ron Paul and the campaign have secret plans that will guarantee a win" and a host of other such child-like-faith statements that do not "permit" questioning ANYTHING to do with those they have chosen to place on a pedestal.
 
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After all, how many times have we had to endure the "Ron knows what he is doing... he's a master politician" or the various other "Ron Paul and the campaign have secret plans that will guarantee a win" and a host of other such child-like-faith statements that do not "permit" questioning ANYTHING to do with those they have chosen to place on a pedestal.

Sometimes the most simple concepts are the most brilliant. +everything to you WRellim.
 
QFT +100,000

Far from being "faceplant dumb" this is one of the most intelligent and common sense postings I have seen.

If a campaign is all about people taking "personal responsibility" for their own lives... then it behooves those in charge of that campaign to demonstrate it by "walking the walk." And this scenario proves they did otherwise (complete with the "begging" for others to pay the bills).

Why have not Mr. Snyder's "close" friends -- those who seem so quick to canonize him -- simply stepped up to the plate and tossed in a few grand each (some, like RP himself, or Lew Rockwell, etc. should be easily able to do so without putting more than a small "dent" in their savings) -- in short order a group of 50 or so "responsible" people should be able to pay off the $400K.

When *MY FRIENDS* have been in desperate financial need, I have helped them (including upwards to several thousand dollars in more than one case) -- I did not see a need to erect web pages trying to guilt trip others to donate to them.

I think the chip-in is something that RP and others should be ASHAMED of; because if shows how little THEY are willing to do for this "friend" the purportedly admired so much.

There was nothing dumb about your comment.

That "faceplant" as a reply... well, a recent comment on a Salon.com article seems appropriate here:

I think these kind of "faceplant" pictures are illustrative of that "four-year-old" mentality.

After all, how many times have we had to endure the "Ron knows what he is doing... he's a master politician" or the various other "Ron Paul and the campaign have secret plans that will guarantee a win" and a host of other such child-like-faith statements that do not "permit" questioning ANYTHING to do with those they have chosen to place on a pedestal.

right as rain... again.
 
Bit more of the truth (part of it anyway) comes out.

http://www.washingtonblade.com/thelatest/thelatest.cfm?blog_id=19742


Ron Paul supporters mourn death of gay campaign chair
With no health insurance, Snyder leaves $400K in hospital bills
By LOU CHIBBARO JR, Washington Blade | Jul 16, 10:22 AM


Activists belonging to the libertarian wing of the Republican Party continue to mourn the loss of Kent Snyder, a 49-year-old gay political operative credited with propelling the presidential campaign of U.S. Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) into a national, grassroots movement that raised more than $35 million.

Snyder, who served as Paul’s campaign chair, died of pneumonia on June 26 after being hospitalized for about two months and after running up medical bills exceeding $400,000, according to friends and family members, who said he did not have health insurance.

Gay staffers from the Paul campaign, some speaking on condition that they not be identified, said they learned about Snyder’s unpaid medical bills from a web site created by his friends that calls on Paul supporters to contribute to a special fund to help Snyder’s family pay the bills, which come mostly from a two-month hospitalization. So far, the site (kentsnyder.com) has raised about $32,000.

“I can’t believe he didn’t have health insurance,” said one political activist who read about Snyder’s unpaid medical bills in a story published last month in the Wall Street Journal. “I can’t believe that Ron Paul didn’t give him health insurance,” said the activist, who asked not to be identified.

The Journal story did not identify Snyder as gay; a Washington Post obituary reported Snyder died of viral pneumonia but did not mention his sexual orientation.

Craig Max, a D.C. gay Republican activist who sought to become a Ron Paul delegate to the Republican National Convention, said news of Snyder’s death and his lack of health insurance has triggered a behind-the-scenes debate among Paul supporters and libertarian activists over whether or not the Paul campaign should have provided health insurance to its staff.

Among the points raised, according to Max and others involved in the Paul campaign, is the fact that Paul is a practicing physician. Some of the Paul supporters are asking why a medical doctor, whose campaign raised $35 million in contributions, chose not to offer health insurance for his staff.

When asked at the Capitol in Washington on Wednesday about concerns raised by critics that his presidential campaign did not provide employee health insurance, Paul said only that he doesn’t believe any political campaigns offer health insurance.

“I don’t know of any campaign that has health insurance for temporary and other employees,” he said. “I’ve never had it and I’ve been in this business for 30 years. I don’t know any campaign that does.”

At least three gay Paul supporters said it was well known among Paul campaign insiders that Snyder was gay. Although Snyder shunned the public spotlight, activists and political operatives working on the campaigns of rival GOP presidential candidates, including officials with the McCain campaign, recognized Snyder’s efforts in building a major campaign operation for Paul, Paul’s gay supporters said.

“As far as his being out, I don’t think that he was ever in or anything like that,” said Jesse Benton, who served as communications director for the Paul presidential campaign. “But his romantic life was just not something that was discussed. He was the boss and that was that.”

Benton said Snyder confided in him that he had a chronic blood disorder. He said that Snyder told him the name of the disorder but Benton said he does not remember it.

“To my knowledge, Kent did not have HIV,” Benton said. “He expressed to me a couple of times what his blood disorder was, but I believe [the HIV speculation] to just be a rumor.”

Benton said it was Snyder himself who made the decision not to provide health insurance to the campaign staff.

“Kent Snyder as the chairman of the campaign ran the business operation,” Benton said. “So it was his decision as to what would be offered to employees.”

Benton said Snyder’s decision was not unusual in the realm of political campaigns.

“As a general practice, virtually no political campaigns offer health insurance,” Benton said.
“It’s just not done. A campaign is a temporary organization that could disband at any minute.”

But gay Democratic activist and political consultant Steve Elmendorf disputes Benton’s assessment, saying that in recent years, a growing number of campaigns have begun providing health insurance to paid staffers, with the campaigns of Democratic candidates offering medical coverage in greater numbers than Republican candidates.

Jordan Lieberman, publisher of Campaigns and Elections’ Politics Magazine, which is considered an authority on American political campaigns, said that in the recent past, health insurance was almost never offered by campaigns operated by either Republicans or Democrats. Now, Lieberman said, the trend among larger campaigns, especially presidential campaigns, is to offer health insurance benefits.

Spokespersons for the presidential campaigns of Barack Obama and John McCain said both campaigns provide full health insurance coverage to their paid staff. A spokesperson for the Hillary Clinton presidential campaign said Clinton also provided health insurance coverage to campaign staffers before she ended her campaign in early June.

On his own web site, Paul called Snyder’s death a “great loss” to the libertarian movement.

“Kent poured every ounce of his being into our fight for freedom,” Paul said. “He will always hold a place in my heart and in the hearts of my family. We deeply mourn his loss.”

Paul praised Snyder for playing a key role in advancing libertarian causes and noted that Snyder began his association with him in 1987, when he worked on Paul’s first run for president.

“Over the next 20 years, we worked together on countless projects in the name of freedom,” Paul said. “It was Kent, more than anyone else, who urged me to run again for president” in 2008.

Gay libertarian activists have praised Paul for his longstanding views calling for all Americans to be free from government intrusion into their private lives through laws and regulations. Paul voted against a proposed U.S. constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

But according to a scorecard on the voting records of members of Congress on gay-related issues, Paul voted against the interests of gays on all issues other than the marriage amendment. In the Human Rights Campaign scorecard for the 109th Congress (2005-2006), the latest scorecard that the group has issued, Paul received a score of 38 on a scale from 0 to 100.
According to HRC, Paul received a score of 25 for the 108th Congress (2003-2004) and a 0 in the 107th Congress (2000-2002).

Similar to most libertarians, Paul opposed bills like the Employment Non-Discrimination Act, or ENDA, which would ban employment discrimination based on sexual orientation, and a hate crimes bill, which would authorize the federal government to prosecute anti-gay hate crimes, on grounds that such legislation improperly expands government powers.

Blogger Rob Kall, in a July 5 posting on Opednews.com, called Kent Snyder’s death and his unpaid medical bills an ironic twist to Snyder’s libertarian philosophy.

“What a testament to the libertarian creed, which abhors the idea of universal health care,” Kall wrote. “This loyal, passionate man who died too young left his family a debt of $400,000 in medical bills,” he said. “Sadly, the libertarian heart apparently does not include health care.”

Benton and others who knew Snyder said he gave up a lucrative career as a telecommunications industry executive to work for one of Paul’s libertarian organizations before becoming the head of the Paul for president campaign. Benton said Snyder’s friends and associates from the campaign are now especially concerned that Snyder’s unpaid medical bills could adversely impact Snyder’s mother.

“I do know that Kent was an extremely proud man and he was basically financially supporting his mother and allowing her to live in a property he owned,” Benton said. “As someone who respected him very much — he had a lot of people who respected him a lot — we all know that he would turn over in his grave if his mother has to leave that property.

“So it was important for us to do what we could,” Benton said. “And I’m not a wealthy man but I made a small contribution, Dr. Paul has made a personal contribution, and a lot of the campaign staff have given what they could,” he said, referring to the special fund to help pay off Snyder’s medical bills.

[Note: BOLD emphasis added]
Before you comment, the multiple mentions of "GAY" are because the WashingtonBlade (where the article is from) is an "Alternative Lifestyle" newspaper (just visit their home page -- http://www.washingtonblade.com/ -- and it will be rather obvious) so they're not using the term in a derogatory sense, but rather as pushing their own issues.



Kent's relatives (aka Mom, since he was single and childless) are really NOT "on the hook" for the hospital bills... it is his ESTATE that will have to pay.

And the sale of the ASSETS of that estate (to pay the medical bills) will mean that they do not stand to inherit much, and in fact stand to lose the "free ride" they were getting by living on Kent's support.

So the chip-in is really an attempt to help the relatives can inherit the property (properties?) that he owned.

No mention is made of whether his relatives had any source of income outside of Mr. Snyder. (Pensions? Social Security? etc. Any of which ought to be sufficient to provide a small apartment for his mother... though perhaps not in the "Beltway.")

And the "pre-existing" condition which purportedly prevented him from purchasing health insurance was some "blood disorder."

Still a lot of vague euphemisms here... but the picture is becoming clearer.


Oh, and we see that Kent's devoted friends and campaign coworkers all managed to chip-in a couple of bucks each (which must have been a great sacrifice on their part... of course no "sacrifice" is mentioned... simply that they gave "what they could").

Finally, just like we had to constantly hear that "advertising doesn't work" and that a Presidential Campaign could NOT succeed without $100Million (despite McCain & Huckabee achieving more than RPPCC with much LESS than $100M) -- we now also have to hear that "no campaigns provide health insurance" when in fact most (major) campaigns now DO provide such insurance (for at least their main staffers).

*sigh*
 
It was his decision to not buy health insurance. His salary certainly afforded him the ability to purchase it. If he didn't want health insurance, who the hell am I to force it on the man after he's dead?
 
It was his decision to not buy health insurance. His salary certainly afforded him the ability to purchase it. If he didn't want health insurance, who the hell am I to force it on the man after he's dead?

Go back and READ the THREAD!
 
Go back and READ the THREAD!

Going back and reading the thread won't change this: After donating a significant portion of my savings to the campaign and various other chip-ins and campaigns, I'm broke and can't afford to give hand-outs any more.
 
QFT +100,000

Far from being "faceplant dumb" this is one of the most intelligent and common sense postings I have seen.

Oooooh WRellim, I "faceplant dumb"'d the assertion someone can make $71,000 a year, and *easily* save $50,000 of it if you were to review my original quotation in my post.

I must just be living on a different planet if it is that easy.

(by the way, I agree with most of what you say, but this thread just makes me sad because I worry his family members could possibly read it, and get a less-than-savory opinion about RP supporters whether rightfully so or not...that's all)
 
Going back and reading the thread won't change this: After donating a significant portion of my savings to the campaign and various other chip-ins and campaigns, I'm broke and can't afford to give hand-outs any more.


I don't get it. So don't chip in then.
 
My apologies for way back post

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showpost.php?p=1554418&postcount=143

What date is the data from? What file? Is it still available?

If so, what is the navigation to download it (the FEC site is a disaster and gets "not found" after long delays for the 3000 page PDF files)?

I don't seem to find any file on the site that has reimbursement expenses in total or itemized by employee name, although I did find salaries, I think.

Question: Is the salary and reimbursed expenses data in the forum post the original data or the data after the amended filing?

I still cannot understand how someone with an annual salary of $71K can be reimbursed for $75+K from 1/23/08 to 2/27/08:

SB23... Snyder... Kent... 2008-01-23..... $9,794.33 Reimbursement Expenses
SB23... Snyder... Kent... 2008-01-23.... $32,251.79 Reimbursement Expenses
SB23... Snyder... Kent... 2008-02-19.... $18,987.11 Reimbursement Expenses
SB23... Snyder... Kent... 2008-02-27.... $11,631.53 Reimbursement Expenses
SB23... Snyder... Kent... 2008-02-27.... $12,095.75 Reimbursement Expenses
SB23... Snyder... Kent... 2008-03-24..... $3,082.21 Reimbursement Expenses

Or how someone with a total salary of $102,477.19 could have needed reimbursement for more than a *quarter million dollars* ($238,310.43) of reimbursed expenses.
 
Or how someone with a total salary of $102,477.19 could have needed reimbursement for more than a *quarter million dollars* ($238,310.43) of reimbursed expenses.

Booking and paying for blocks of hotel rooms. Same with airline flights. Reserving and paying for all those facilities where Ron did fundraising. The list is endless.
 
Oooooh WRellim, I "faceplant dumb"'d the assertion someone can make $71,000 a year, and *easily* save $50,000 of it if you were to review my original quotation in my post.

I must just be living on a different planet if it is that easy.

(by the way, I agree with most of what you say, but this thread just makes me sad because I worry his family members could possibly read it, and get a less-than-savory opinion about RP supporters whether rightfully so or not...that's all)

hahaha, i live on less than the 21,000 difference w/ a two year old daughter and a wife finishing school fwiw.

you're still the shit though cowlesy. i believe you live in new york, correct? i get a hunch that might have something to do w/ the difference (a different planet than texas.... most certainly. but visit anytime!)

all that said, his family probably has better sense than to come to an internet flame-board to reflect on their lost loved-on.
 
Booking and paying for blocks of hotel rooms. Same with airline flights. Reserving and paying for all those facilities where Ron did fundraising. The list is endless.

So, are you actually saying that Kent Snyder had *personal credit* available to prepay/charge $75K of charges *in one month*? Or more than a *quarter million dollars* in total?

On a $71K salary? That simply doesn't compute for me.

At a minimum, wouldn't that have totally destroyed his credit rating/FICO score?

Why wouldn't the hotels bill the HQ organization directly for blocks of rooms as they routinely do with other businesses? Or are Presidential campaigns considered to be "high risk", so payment in advance is required?

Given the fact that there are numerous amended files on the FEC site, are the numbers posted in this thread the original numbers or the amended numbers?

Question: With the amended numbers, were any reimbursed expenses reclassified as salaries for any of the salaried HQ personnel?

If so, how much and why?
 
So, are you actually saying that Kent Snyder had *personal credit* available to prepay/charge $75K of charges *in one month*? Or more than a *quarter million dollars* in total?

On a $71K salary? That simply doesn't compute for me.

At a minimum, wouldn't that have totally destroyed his credit rating/FICO score?

Why wouldn't the hotels bill the HQ organization directly for blocks of rooms as they routinely do with other businesses? Or are Presidential campaigns considered to be "high risk", so payment in advance is required?

Given the fact that there are numerous amended files on the FEC site, are the numbers posted in this thread the original numbers or the amended numbers?

Question: With the amended numbers, were any reimbursed expenses reclassified as salaries for any of the salaried HQ personnel?

If so, how much and why?

It's all speculation. Nobody on these forums knows the answers to your questions. Contact the CFL and let us know how they respond to your questions. Otherwise, you are a rabble-rousing troll and only enjoy stirring the pot.

And don't bother trying any of your previously used baiting tactics with me, because you will not receive a response.
 
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