Split: Questions/concerns about the Kent Snyder chip-in
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Split: Complaints about Kent Snyder chip-in
Are bills or receipts of any kind going to be posted? Who exactly has been left with these bills/who is the money going to? There have been chip-ins for people in the past but the money was going to individuals who could be vetted with problems or situations that could be verified.
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Katharine
Are bills or receipts of any kind going to be posted? Who exactly has been left with these bills/who is the money going to? There have been chip-ins for people in the past but the money was going to individuals who could be vetted with problems or situations that could be verified.
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Katharine
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His creditors can file claims against his estate for money owed them. This would include medical bills. How the assets of the estate would be proportioned amongst the creditors would depend on the laws of the state where his estate is opened. His family would not normally be responsible for his bills unless they had made some agreement with the creditors to act as a surety.
I hate to be the voice of conservative reason with a personal responsibility message, but shouldn't Kent have paid for medical insurance from the money he earned from his campaign chairman position? I don't have the FEC figures handy but Im sure he was paid plenty enough to have health insurance, pre-existing condition or not.
There's consequences to all of us for not paying for health insurance. Why should Kent's bills be paid by Ron Paul supporters when they already should have been? I understand charity donations but I just had to say it. There was a lot of money pissed away during the campaign. I just find it ironic that now there are chip-in's for Kent's medical bills.
There's consequences to all of us for not paying for health insurance. Why should Kent's bills be paid by Ron Paul supporters when they already should have been? I understand charity donations but I just had to say it. There was a lot of money pissed away during the campaign. I just find it ironic that now there are chip-in's for Kent's medical bills.
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You don't have to donate. I did. Why should his small Children have to pay for his lack of insurance?
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Can you provide a link to information about his family? I was not aware of any children.
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I thought he was single.
400k is unbelievable for a short-term pneumonia treatment ... the medical system there must be really screwed.
So who owes the money? His Wife? Don't see why his wife should have to suffer.
You can only get Pneumonia with a severe immune deficiency from my studies.
Weird.
So who owes the money? His Wife? Don't see why his wife should have to suffer.
You can only get Pneumonia with a severe immune deficiency from my studies.
Weird.
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I thought he was single as well. That's why I asked. To the best of my knowledge only legal guardians and spouses can be charged for the deceased's medical expenses.
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He did have an unspecified pre-existing condition.
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His estate wold be responsible for his medical expenses. And even then, if he did have a spouse and/or children, a certain portion of the estate would be exempt from the claims of creditors.
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Most health insurance plans will cover pre-existing conditions if you have not had a lapse in coverage. If you have had a lapse in coverage you can be covered for all conditions that were not pre-existing. After a year of coverage they will the cover the pre-exisiting condition.
That has been my experience since my wife has MS. Basically, the pre-existing condition thing is true but you can STILL get coverage for it after a year.
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That was my thought. Who is getting this money? Didn't he have life insurance? Why didn't he have health insurance if he went into the campaign with "doctors" advising him not to overdo it? How were they baing paid. Sorry if I am very skeptical of a $400,000 chip in for unnamed recipients and unproven debts.
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The first thing they will do is to open his estate and give notice to his creditors. A personal representative will be appointed and he/she will marshall the assets of the estate. Once the creditors have filed their claims and the time limit for filing claims has expired, the PR will determine if there are assets to pay all of the claims or not. Additionally, the PR may file objections to claims he/she believes are invalid. Often times, once a creditor knows a person is deceased, they will just write the claim off. This happens with credit cards a lot of times.
I guess my point is that right now no one really knows how much is owed to creditors and who they are.
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I've been holding off saying anything like this because I knew I would be instantly "flamed" (and probably still will be).
But I would most *emphatically* agree with the above; and the rest really needs to be said as well.
1) Kent made a decent salary as chairman of the campaign. It was not an obscene amount, but certainly a larger salary than many of the supporters; and certainly sufficient to cover a health insurance policy of some type (especially for a single man).
2) With a regular balance of $5 Million held in reserve, the campaign could certainly have AFFORDED to provide at least SOME form of health insurance for the "full-time salaried employees" -- that it did NOT do so is a form of negligence and poor management (perhaps yet another sign of incompetence and inexperience). Heck they could have even SELF-INSURED -- at least to a few hundred K.
3) As Mr. Snyder himself was the CHAIRMAN of the campaign, he was THE main person responsible for seeing that such "full-time employees" of the campaign either received health insurance and/or a sufficient salary to cover them purchasing said insurance (at least a "catastrophic coverage" policy -- such policies, BTW are fairly cheap, on the order of a couple thousand dollars for a year, even for a man of Mr. Snyder's age. And a 49 year old single professional man with no children and no direct dependents really OUGHT to have saved substantial assets set aside against a rainy day... there is really no excuse for him NOT to have done so... this is NOT a 21 year-old college kid we are talking about.)
4) If Mr. Snyder had a "pre-existing condition" then certainly HE was aware of that fact, and therefore he needed to assume the appropriate PERSONAL responsibility for it and to secure whatever he could for health insurance, and/or to save sufficient funds in health savings accounts or other assets to cover such expenses.
5) In addition to "insurance" the message of "personal responsibility" also extends to taking care of your own health in a PROPER fashion... the story that he somehow ran himself "ragged" and into the grave -- while it is a "nice thing to say" in a eulogy -- is difficult to believe in reality. (Run ragged by a campaign that had so few events? By one which did so little advertising? What? How?) And even if there is a smidgen of truth to it, it does NOT reflect well on his (or the other campaign managers); if he was in fact showing signs of exhaustion, then he needed to back down and take care of his health; and others need to take responsibility as well ...anything else is EGO and BS.
6) Unless he unexpectedly caught some rare fungal or viral respiratory infection -- and I think if that were the case the root cause WOULD have been openly stated -- well, healthy 49 year old athletic people do NOT die from pneumonia. Otherwise, only a "pre-existing" condition that drastically damaged his immune system (and which would then make it virtually impossible to get insurance) would make him so readily vulnerable to pneumononia.
7) If he in fact HAD such a "pre-existing condition" which made him so susceptible, then he had an ADDITIONAL personal responsibility to maintain his health in highest order... and to burden neither the "system" nor his family, nor anyone else.
8) As many other here have stated -- the level of understanding concerning WHO is legally liable for Mr. Snyder's medical bills seems to be fairly lacking on the part of the people who set up this fund. While I have no doubt their heart is in the right place, they are engaging in something akin to "fear-mongering" and "guilt-trips" and (IMHO) ridiculously requesting cash when the final bills are probably still unknown.
Long and short of this is that -- once again -- the supporters are NOT being fully informed, but are instead being fed half-truths and euphemisms. The "pre-existing condition" which "prevented" him from getting insurance has a name -- they can certainly keep it quiet -- but anyone donating has a right to a bit more honesty.
All in all, a sad demonstration of how personal IRresponsibility (on so many levels) plays out. It is yet another testimony to how -- despite all of the talk -- this "campaign" really did NOT know how to "walk the walk." Ironic and sad.
Flame away folks.
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400k whew.
Just goes to show how well government health care regulation keeps prices down.
My father died of brain cancer, so the issue of health care is one that is close to my heart. The bills were massive, unfortunately we were forced to use Medicare.
Just goes to show how well government health care regulation keeps prices down.
My father died of brain cancer, so the issue of health care is one that is close to my heart. The bills were massive, unfortunately we were forced to use Medicare.
not involved at all with the chipin, but its on the campaign for liberties website...
(if you were intending to say that it doesn't seem legitimate)
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And it seems to not working - shows only $100
But the one at chipin probably shows the correct value
http://kentsnyder.chipin.com/kent-snyder
Still, I don't know how they want to collect $400k in 2 weeks (or $388k in 12 days). But good luck neverthless.
But the one at chipin probably shows the correct value
http://kentsnyder.chipin.com/kent-snyder
Still, I don't know how they want to collect $400k in 2 weeks (or $388k in 12 days). But good luck neverthless.
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The official campaign doesn't exactly win any prizes for communicating well with the grassroots or being forthcoming with information. Their listing about this is just as devoid of solid information as the chip in page.
Even if there were a widow and/or children who are directly responsible for the bills $400k is a tall order and symptomatic of great irresponsibility on Kent's part (not making arrangements for his family when he had a pre-existing condition).
As it is there is no evidence of a family or anyone actually being legally responsible for his medical bills.
The presence of this chip-in on the CFL site does nothing to answer my questions.
Even if there were a widow and/or children who are directly responsible for the bills $400k is a tall order and symptomatic of great irresponsibility on Kent's part (not making arrangements for his family when he had a pre-existing condition).
As it is there is no evidence of a family or anyone actually being legally responsible for his medical bills.
The presence of this chip-in on the CFL site does nothing to answer my questions.
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