split off from Ron Paul Grassroots subforum about voting in November

[MelissaWV]

"YOUR party meaning the L party"----Registered republican here.

Much like Ron Paul I'm libertarian/republican. But party doesn't matter to me only the constitution.

"Your percentages are made up, imo"----ok lets say they are....Do you think Ron Paul agrees with Romney more then Gary Johnson?No way!...What are your percentages?

I have no idea why, when I say I will only vote for someone I actually agree with, the counterargument seems to boil down to "Well you must think Romney is better!"

No, I don't. I'm not voting for him. I'm not voting for Johnson. I'm not voting for Obama. I don't agree with any of them. I'm writing in Ron Paul while I vote on important local issues. Guess what? That's a valid choice in my view!

 

[Dogsoldier]

I'm not arguing you think Romney is better I'm arguing that You would vote for Ron Paul but not vote vote the guy that Ron Paul himself will vote for.

Its not like RP will vote for Romney and you know he won't write in a name or just not vote.He WILL vote for GJ. We all should.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not arguing you think Romney is better I'm arguing that You would vote for Ron Paul but not vote vote the guy that Ron Paul himself will vote for.

Its not like RP will vote for Romney and you know he won't write in a name or just not vote.He WILL vote for GJ. We all should.

Ron Paul doesn't value himself as others do, he is too modest.

Also, in CA my vote for Ron Paul will be counted to HIM, in Texas his would be in the none of the above category, so he has a different decision to make.

Thirdly, you are sure he will vote for GJ, but I am not sure.

Fourthly, Ron Paul has every right to vote for whomever he wants, but he would be the last person in the world to say he dictates MY vote.

Gary Johnson doesn't represent me, Ron Paul does. And if I am going to vote for someone who isn't going to win, it is absolutely going to be for the candidate I actually want to have win.

but that is me.

 

[Dogsoldier]

"Thirdly, you are sure he will vote for GJ, but I am not sure." So you think he might actually vote for Romney? Thats more or less what your saying.

I can guarantee he will put his vote to where he thinks it will do the most good for the liberty movement. He won't write in his own name thats for sure.

Yes it may be counted to HIM but not to anyone else. A guy could vote for his neighbor and yea that vote counts for HIM too.And ALOT of people will do that too which is part of the reason why a write in doesn't matter and is a waste of a vote.

 

[MelissaWV]

"Thirdly, you are sure he will vote for GJ, but I am not sure." So you think he might actually vote for Romney? Thats more or less what your saying.

I can guarantee he will put his vote to where he thinks it will do the most good for the liberty movement. He won't write in his own name thats for sure.

Yes it may be counted to HIM but not to anyone else. A guy could vote for his neighbor and yea that vote counts for HIM too.And ALOT of people will do that too which is part of the reason why a write in doesn't matter and is a waste of a vote.

I think you completely missed what sailing said, for some reason. I am also laughing a little at the idea you are so sure Ron is voting for Gary because Gary is the third party candidate. Actually, there are 12 candidates on my ballot for president, and a write-in slot. Maybe he is voting for one of them. Maybe he won't vote for president at all, being disgusted with all of the choices. Maybe he will make a strategic decision and vote for Gary. Those are his decisions, though, and not mine.

What sailing was pointing out is that there are different write-in rules in different states. Sometimes write-ins are actually counted towards those individual candidates. Sometimes ALL of the write-ins are just pooled into a "none of the above" type pile.

I do not think of Ron as a god, so that I do everything based on what I think he is going to do. I am voting based on my own perception and knowledge.

 

[Dogsoldier]

Well that is interesting. Thats weird there is only 4 on ours in missouri.

"I do not think of Ron as a god"----You sure vote like he is voting for him when he isn't even running...lol


"I am also laughing a little at the idea you are so sure Ron is voting for Gary because Gary is the third party candidate. Actually, there are 12 candidates on my ballot for president, and a write-in slot. Maybe he is voting for one of them. Maybe he won't vote for president at all, being disgusted with all of the choices."

Ok I'm listening.He WILL vote.He is kinda obligated to being a public official and he would be lynched if he didn't at least vote,I mean thats how he got his job to begin with. He is in the state of Texas so how many are on the ballot in Texas? And then which 1 best follows the constitution?

I mean this isn't really hard to figure out with the same voting record for 30 years its pretty easy to figure out which 1 he will vote for. The most constitutional.

 

[Dogsoldier]

Now if every state had the same write in rules as cali and we all went with the write in option,then gets reported on the news all over the nation,a write in would be a smart move for the cause of liberty.

 

[Qdog]

We gave working withing the Republican party a try. They screwed us. Maybe there are people here that dont want to see Johnson get 5% because they are Republicans first, and libertarians 2nd. Personally, I only registered as a Republican to vote for Ron. To those of you that want to keep working within the GOP, good luck and I wish you well.

 

[Captain Shays]

I agree with what everyone said. It may seem like we're arguing and maybe we are but as family. At the end of the day we are family. We ALL got screwed the same way by the same people and those people lump us all in together. I'm totally with Dogsoldier. and I totally understand where Melissa is coming from and then I also stand with Qdog and Sailing. We're scattered. We're hurt. We're passionate and we love liberty. I'm not saying this to brag, but in my years of coming around here I have encountered some of the most well informed voters I have ever seen. When I go to other forums and listen to what many of my FB friends talk about you all blow them away as far as knowledge, insight, understanding and fortitude.
Where we go from here boils down to an individual choice. I too consider myself a libertarian/republican for lack of better labels and I had to change to Republican just to vote for Ron Paul in the primary like many of you did. But just like many of you, there is no way that I alaign myself with most of the present incarnation of the GOP. I mean maybe 10-20 at best and with those only on a few key issues and then they make me sick when they start talking tough about attacking other countries or supporting measures that rob us of our liberty or drive us into debt. The closest place that I can call a party home would be the Libertarian Party but even they turn me off lot the time. No person is perfect and no party is perfect.We just need to get as close as we can and hope for the best. Right now it seems to me that Gary Johnson is as close in this election that I can get and still have my vote count for something. A long time ago I totally lost faith in this two party crimocracy and the ONLY thing that gave me a glimmer of hope to change things was Ron Paul's efforts to change things from within the GOP. It clearly didn't work. It's all bullshit and now my life's mission is to subvert the SOB's until I go to the next life. If that means supporting the Libertarian Party then so be it. If it means compromising my principles in hoping that they take some of the monies that the two parties set aside then so be it. Maybe if or when we get a Libertarian elected he will have the balls to vote against those set asides. If they don't at least I know that on a host of other issues they would be light years ahead of either of the two party scumbags.

 

[ShaganOverman]

Anyone who writes in RP instead of voting libertarian is infatuated more with the man than his message.

Look at videos where hes asked who he is going to vote for. Whenever the interviewer mentions gary johnsons name Ron gets a grin on his face. At heart RP is a libertarian.

 

[sailingaway]

Anyone who writes in RP instead of voting libertarian is infatuated more with the man than his message.

Look at videos where hes asked who he is going to vote for. Whenever the interviewer mentions gary johnsons name Ron gets a grin on his face. At heart RP is a libertarian.

I'm for the person who would actually do it, and I am sure Ron would, given the chance, not so sure about GJ, at all. They overlap in an ad hoc manner, but GJ doesn't seem to derive positions from logic and principles, and morals. Since neither will win, I will vote for the one I want. I see no sane reason to vote for someone I DON'T want.

 

[ShaganOverman]

Its not about winning. Its about 5%. How about helping the rest of the liberty movement make progress. While your at it maybe quit it with the draconian forums moderating.

 

[specsaregood]

Its not about winning. Its about 5%. How about helping the rest of the liberty movement make progress. While your at it maybe quit it with the draconian forums moderating.

but, I dont want to send the message that the LP should continue nominating fascists like Johnson. voting for johnson sends that message.

 

[sailingaway]

for just me, personally, I saw this and the prior presidential candidate the LP pushed and wonder why they chose the name 'Party of Principles', but then, maybe those who chose that name are all dead now. If not, telling the LP to go back to its roots in candidates is also a worthwhile message, to me. At that point, 5% might come easier.

 

[Captain Shays]

I'm for the person who would actually do it, and I am sure Ron would, given the chance, not so sure about GJ, at all. They overlap in an ad hoc manner, but GJ doesn't seem to derive positions from logic and principles, and morals. Since neither will win, I will vote for the one I want. I see no sane reason to vote for someone I DON'T want.

I don't agree with that even a little bit. I was turned on to Gary Johnson before I was Ron Paul. Gary Johnson while he was still governor wrote some fantastic articles and made some amazingly libertarian speeches. Ron Paul stole my heart thats for sure but I think it's a ridiculous statement to say Johnso doesn't have principles. There is no way he could have done what he did without principles and fortitude. Granted he may not be pure as the driven snow libertarian according to some purist views but he's the best we have who is ballot qualified.

 

[specsaregood]

but he's the best we have who is ballot qualified.

Pfft, vote for jeff boss on your NJ ballot. Thats the best way to give them the finger that I can think of.

 

[RonPaul101.com]

but, I dont want to send the message that the LP should continue nominating fascists like Johnson. voting for johnson sends that message.

Gary Johnson a fascist? Now that's a stretch, and certainly not very polite, nor accurate. How do Liberty minded people think we will ever convert Obama supporters or Santorum supporters come 2016 if we can't even be accepting of Gov Johnson's supporters? It would be like saying 'I could vote for either Liberty minded candidate RP or GJ, I think I'll pick Johnson because at least he's not elderly.' How would that division help resolve anything? They're on the same side of the fight as are we, and I for one believe it is a well planned mission.

Think about it, the Paul(s) side (GOP side) continues to make strides to change the party for the better during the primaries, while the Libertarian party (this time GJ) fights to ensure that no Republican gets elected President in the general election until it's one of our Liberty minded candidates. I think this move of punishing GOP candidates will work in the long term. The establishment money controls a lot (media, primary elections to some extent, etc.) but if the GOP voters know that time and time again they will not win the Presidency unless they get us on baord, I feel eventually we may have a chance - maybe with Rand.

 

[specsaregood]

Gary Johnson a fascist? Now that's a stretch, and certainly not very polite, nor accurate.

I disagree. I thought it was polite and accurate. I think his CBA approach is just fascism under a different guise, its the wrong path and I don't support it one little bit. And i've never been accused of being a libertarian purist either.

 

[Paulfan05]

This seems pointless, I wish we all could have rallied for Johnson, maybe he could have made the debates then

 

[sailingaway]

This seems pointless, I wish we all could have rallied for Johnson, maybe he could have made the debates then

Gary Johnson seems a lot more pointless to some of us than Ron Paul but we don't run around badgering his supporters in their forums with that statement.