Speaker Johnson's next move: Money for Israel, Ukraine, Taiwan and more surveillance

[PAF]

Defending your country and your home is not fascism.

I understand, you do not believe in nations or history or tradition or institutions.

I do.

So does my family.

"There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights."

Both are under extreme attack.

You are too damned blind to even see it with all of the hatred that you have; The very Bill of Rights is literally being shredded and destroyed by the likes of you and every other "republican", democrats included.

[You've become so atomized, you'd let your neighbors house burn down before allowing firemen to drag hoses across your property.

I gave a literal example of Private Property Rights. Of course you will use that against me just to try to prove a point.

My faith is questioned because some think God's plans should just all work themselves out and we not lift a finger to try and alter or change them.

Faith is after you leave this forsaken world. The test is living day to day, as morally as one can be.

At the other extreme are folks like you, who would watch the world burn down right in front of them and not lift a finger to alter or change that, because, "I'm good, $#@! 'em".

Well, piss on of all you.

I've done more to promote the principles of liberty/freedom/fiscal responsibility than you can possibly know. I've about given up, because it has been made very crystal clear that government and the CONStitution is there to "protect us" at all cost, and if that means giving up liberty/freedom/fiscal responsibility then so be it. I don't subscribe to that in any way shape or form. I am not commie, and I certainly am not a fascist/nationalist.

Not only would I allow the hoses to be dragged, I'd happily help fight the fire in your home.

About the only thing we agree on these days, I would absolutely likewise do the same [and I have] ;-)

That does not make me a $#@!ing fascist.

Hey, I call it like I see it. The first problem in problem solving is first admitting the problem. You simply aren't there yet.

It makes me a good neighbor and friend.

Not when you restrict my freedom to travel freely on land that you do not own the deed to. AFAIC, you would treat me absolutely no differently than this God-forsaken government.

I don't want to live in either one of your worlds.

You [and the rest of the left/right teams] are the ones boxing yourselves in. You make your bed, so, sleep in it.

 

[PAF]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to [MENTION=12430]acptulsa[/MENTION] again.



[MENTION=3169]Anti Federalist[/MENTION]

Of course Biden is continuing to build the wall. It's a bipartisan police state "solution", while at the same time funding the NGO's and the DHS with tax payer money.

Biden to Build More US Border Wall

 

[acptulsa]

Of course Biden is continuing to build the wall. It's a bipartisan police state "solution", while at the same time funding the NGO's and the DHS with tax payer money.

Biden to Build More US Border Wall

We've seen the government give weapons to both sides of so many civil wars that I've been wondering, hey, you started a civil war with your own people. When do you start giving weapons to us?

I guess a little more wall to keep us on the tax plantation is the best we can expect...

 

[Cleaner44]

That is pretty much it.

Traitors, moles and Quislings.

Now, we have the manpower, we have the tools, we have both the moral and legal high ground, to abolish this government, to arrest and punish the people responsible and run the underlings off.

All we lack is the courage and the will.

You do not agree that this government has shown itself to be engaging in "a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism" and and destructive to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness?

I agree. What is most needed is a legal mechanism that allows for the current government to be dissolved in a way that the general population can stomach. I think most people would rather live with this uncomfortable status quo rather than see a violent revolution. If there was a simple way for We The People to fire all off the current Congress and ban them from holding further office, people might be down with that.

When you have nothing, you have nothing to lose. A "Saved by Zero" situation. Currently as bad as things are, most people are still far from zero. They have things to lose, and so they are risk averse.

Without a violence-free solution, the people will hold until that are forced to take action. These are dangerous actions that the politicians are taking as we just don't know which straw will break the camel's back. We are sitting on a powder keg and politicians are flicking lit matches.

The long train of abuses and usurpations is undeniable.

Clearly it is our right and duty to throw off such government.

Elections aren't getting the job done.

 

[acptulsa]

Elections aren't getting the job done.

And why is that?

Never mind 2020. How did all the previous 121 federal elections fail to stop it?

No federal law, no Constitution, can save a people when 81% of them disapprove of what Congress is doing, but 81% of members of Congress get reelected.

I heard a lot of lovely promises in 2016, both from Trump and his supporters. He kept precious few, and none of the really important ones. But which of his 2016 voters is doing anything but making excuses for his ineptitude?

 

[Cleaner44]

And why is that?

Never mind 2020. How did all the previous 121 federal elections fail to stop it?

No federal law, no Constitution, can save a people when 81% of them disapprove of what Congress is doing, but 81% of members of Congress get reelected.

I heard a lot of lovely promises in 2016, both from Trump and his supporters. He kept precious few, and none of the really important ones. But which of his 2016 voters is doing anything but making excuses for his ineptitude?

Is it really that hard for you to understand?

People have a choice to vote or not vote. On occasion someone good like Ron Paul gets in but usually it is someone worthless. Does that make voting for Ron Paul a mistake? Not in my book. If nothing else it is fun to screw with the criminals in D.C. by electing Thomas Massie. Sure it doesn't stop the generations of corruption that have infected our government but it is still worth doing.

I think electing Trump was a much better option that Hillary, maybe you disagree. There were some good things that came from it, even though the swamp is still as strong as ever.

Ultimately the deep state has a strangle hold that won't be broken anytime soon so elections don't have much more significance than throwing a wrench into a small set of gears.

It is what it is.

Voting on local elections still has some value in my opinion.

 

[Anti Federalist]

I've never seen him say that. I've seen him engage the hypothetical, and decide no property owner should be forced to endure it. Which was simply an exploration of principles. Principles are good. If the average schmo had any, we wouldn't be in this mess.

It was a conversation we had years ago, and yes, that was exactly what he said: he would deny permission for firemen to cross his property with hoses to put out a fire, unless he was there to give them permission. That was even if by so doing they would end up saving his home as well.

That's not a principle, that philosophical autism.

The thread has been refreshed, it's around here somewhere.

And now the fact that your politicians failed you miserably has you putting words in Mr. Drake's mouth that he did not say. He did not say, do nothing . In fact, you accused him of that and he denied it. What he did say was, preach the gospel. And what PAF is preaching has basis in the gospel -- trust God, not men.

And I said, I guess my faith is weak, because I do not accept there is nothing we can do but preach the gospel.

But that is what Scripture says, Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

So what are all you sinners doing arguing about this?

Nothing in this realm matters, you have no freedom, you are a servant of God, and God will do what God is going to do and you can't stop it or help it or save yourself short of salvation.

I keep thinking of the people (some if whom I know) who are still not mad at the government for lying to them and trying to kill them, but are mad as hell at the person who told them the truth about where their medical problems came from. I wonder what brought them to mind?

I am, I am in a white hot rage. The COVID jab killed my mother. But then I am said to just be so full of rage it's clouding my judgement. I want the people responsible to be strung up. But I can't support a reasonable border policy to stop tens of thousands young men from that same hostile country from invading without a shot being fired.

You could really stand to stop embarrassing yourself about now.

Who appointed you the Great and Powerful Oz?

You are not the Grand Oracle on all things political.

I would bestow the Great Sachem [MENTION=27246]oyarde[/MENTION] with that honor first.

I'm not embarrassed that I disagree with you.

 

[acptulsa]

Ultimately the deep state has a strangle hold that won't be broken anytime soon so elections don't have much more significance than throwing a wrench into a small set of gears.

It is what it is.

Yet you'd never even consider voting for the monkey wrench named Kennedy. Would you?

It was a conversation we had years ago, and yes, that was exactly what he said

I saw that conversation.

No, he didn't. If he had, I wouldn't have said he didn't.

You did, however, forget that Trump's NEA funded drag queen story hours. You forgot that twice.

 

[Cleaner44]

Yet you'd never even consider voting for the monkey wrench named Kennedy. Would you?

I have considered voting for Kennedy... I contemplated the integrity he seems to have, I considered how he knows and will publicly talk about corruption in the federal government and I pondered his stupid liberal positions which I abandoned 20+ years ago. I appreciate that Kennedy is an old school liberal and not a modern lefty, but he is still a liberal Democrat. I no longer hold the opinion that liberal Democrat policies are good for our country.

I would on the other hand love to see Kennedy appointed as Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, where he would oversee the FDA, CDC, NIH and divisions. I would tell him to take any steps necessary to clean that mess up and fire 25% of the staff, starting at the top of each division.

Personally I think we need actual libertarian/conservative solutions and my hope is that the Republican voters can continue to drive out the neocons and reduce the corruption within the ranks of Republican politicians. I have no hope for the Democrat party.

You do you and vote for the Democrat Kennedy. I won't be joining you.

 

[PAF]

I have considered voting for Kennedy... I contemplated the integrity he seems to have, I considered how he knows and will publicly talk about corruption in the federal government and I pondered his stupid liberal positions which I abandoned 20+ years ago. I appreciate that Kennedy is an old school liberal and not a modern lefty, but he is still a liberal Democrat. I no longer hold the opinion that liberal Democrat policies are good for our country.

I would on the other hand love to see Kennedy appointed as Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, where he would oversee the FDA, CDC, NIH and divisions. I would tell him to take any steps necessary to clean that mess up and fire 25% of the staff, starting at the top of each division.

Personally I think we need actual libertarian/conservative solutions and my hope is that the Republican voters can continue to drive out the neocons and reduce the corruption within the ranks of Republican politicians. I have no hope for the Democrat party.

You do you and vote for the Democrat Kennedy. I won't be joining you.

With the amount that was spent by the drunken NY Lib Trump (D), and now Biden (D), what difference does it make? Neither one of them are talking about the corruption that RFK is. Hopefully awareness will continue to spread.

I'm not voting, but how much worse can RFK really be than the two prior democrats Trump and Biden?

 

[acptulsa]

I no longer hold the opinion that liberal Democrat policies are good for our country.

I never thought that. Policy-wise, he's totally untenable.

We weren't talking about business as usual listen to the platforms and try to guess which will do fewer dumb things election year thinking. We were talking monkey wrenches. If he's half what he appears to be he will be too busy trying to oust the swamp gators before they kill him. Literally.

Monkey wrench, dude. Does that D.C. Machine need a monkey wrench in it or not?

I'm sick of business as usual thinking. Business as usual is very obviously a thing of the past. If we need a revolution, we had better have it now. And we won't without a spark. They have a plan for us. A dastardly plan, a conspiracy. You can't be naive enough to think otherwise. He Who Must Not Be Named II obviously isn't that plan. So, us rallying around him isn't their plan. That means he just might be the spark we need to blow up their 3D chess endgame.

Policy. He won't enact any policy. They will fight his every attempt to enact any policy, tooth and nail. The only two questions I have at this point are, does he have enough name recognition to overcome the fact that his political party (if any) has no name recognition at all? And can we count on him to be a solid monkey wrench in their machine?

I believe their plan is to steal the election from Trump for Captain Brandon Catastrophe again, then capitulate and install Trump -- as dictator. If I'm even in the ballpark of the goal of this obvious game they're obviously playing, then the mere fact that RFKJr. is getting a significant number of votes could completely upset their applecart. And even if I'm not, he could screw up their plans in ways I'm not able to anticipate.

Do we need a monkey wrench or don't we? Do we need a money wrench? Do we? Got a better, more popular monkey wrench?

 

[Cleaner44]

I never thought that. Policy-wise, he's totally untenable.

We weren't talking about business as usual listen to the platforms and try to guess which will do fewer dumb things election year thinking. We were talking monkey wrenches. If he's half what he appears to be he will be too busy trying to oust the swamp gators before they kill him. Literally.

Monkey wrench, dude. Does that D.C. Machine need a monkey wrench in it or not?

I'm sick of business as usual thinking. Business as usual is very obviously a thing of the past. If we need a revolution, we had better have it now. And we won't without a spark. They have a plan for us. A dastardly plan, a conspiracy. You can't be naive enough to think otherwise. He Who Must Not Be Named II obviously isn't that plan. So, us rallying around him isn't their plan. That means he just might be the spark we need to blow up their 3D chess endgame.

Policy. He won't enact any policy. They will fight his every attempt to enact any policy, tooth and nail. The only two questions I have at this point are, does he have enough name recognition to overcome the fact that his political party (if any) has no name recognition at all? And can we count on him to be a solid monkey wrench in their machine?

I believe their plan is to steal the election from Trump for Captain Brandon Catastrophe again, then capitulate and install Trump -- as dictator. If I'm even in the ballpark of the goal of this obvious game they're obviously playing, then the mere fact that RFKJr. is getting a significant number of votes could completely upset their applecart. And even if I'm not, he could screw up their plans in ways I'm not able to anticipate.

Do we need a monkey wrench or don't we? Do we need a money wrench? Do we? Got a better, more popular monkey wrench?

Obviously RFK is a double agent working a 3D chess game for the D.C. establishment to get you to vote for tyranny. I am amazed you can't see that. You think he is some outsider that wants to break the system, but he is their greatest tool. He will promise you all of these things and then break your heart and then we will have to listen to you make excuses for him for the next 4 years.

You go ahead and fall for the illusion. I won't be joining you.

 

[acptulsa]

Obviously RFK is a double agent working a 3D chess game for the D.C. establishment to get you to vote for tyranny. I am amazed you can't see that.

Oh, the alt-right branch of the MSM got to you.

Never mind. Have fun swinging in the treehouse. You're obviously no less susceptible to a Narrative than you were when you were a Democrat swallowing the non-alt-right MSM.

 

[Cleaner44]

With the amount that was spent by the drunken NY Lib Trump (D), and now Biden (D), what difference does it make? Neither one of them are talking about the corruption that RFK is. Hopefully awareness will continue to spread.

I'm not voting, but how much worse can RFK really be than the two prior democrats Trump and Biden?

Would RFK sign the ridiculous spending bills that Congress sends over? I imagine he would. I also imagine RFK would be better than every other Democrat president over the last 50 years.

I appreciate what RFK is doing but I also think Trump will be more effective if given the chance. I don't expect the deep state will allow either of them to reach the White House though.

I would never claim that Trump was good at being fiscally conservative. I think he his pros and cons. My biggest hope is that Trump now understands how massive the swamp problem is and would be serious about smashing it. Realistically I don't expect anyone to change things, but given Trump's experiences over the last 9 years I think he is the most prepared.

I live in AZ where our elections are rigged so how I vote doesn't matter.

Currently my preference is:
Trump
RFK
Harry Browne (deceased)
Michael Badnarik (deceased)
Marianne Williamson
Cornel West
Biden

 

[Cleaner44]

Oh, the alt-right branch of the MSM got to you.

Never mind. Have fun swinging in the treehouse. You're obviously no less susceptible to a Narrative than you were when you were a Democrat swallowing the non-alt-right MSM.

I don't watch MSM at all.

 

[acptulsa]

I don't watch MSM at all.

You don't think you do.

So here we have this batch of right wing "alternative" websites. And they're surprisingly well funded and slick for "alternative" sites. And they come up surprisingly high on google searches for "alternative" sites. And they agree on practically everything and march in lockstep to a surprising degree for "alternative" sites.

And the leftist MSM doesn't mention Kennedy at all, while this cabal, this well funded echo chamber, fills Trump worshippers with a story so stupid that only the most gullible will buy it -- the man whose uncle was killed by the CIA, and whose father was killed by the CIA, and whose first cousin was killed by the CIA, and who fought the CIA (among others) tooth and nail over the jab, is doing it all for the CIA.

And in your book, this is all supposed to be a recipe to get him elected. Even though it obviously couldn't work. Even though they're obviously satisfied with the two proven puppets they have or they wouldn't have forced everyone else out of both primary contests. Even though they clearly, patently, categorically don't want Democrats hearing truths like this after going to such lengths to subvert and pervert them:

https://twitter.com/VigilantFox/status/1782447743283175924

Quiet primary season, isn't it? Quietest I've seen. Ever.

Sure dude. Keep letting them spoon-feed you.

Would RFK sign the ridiculous spending bills that Congress sends over? I imagine he would.

It takes a mighty fertile imagination to picture Congress sending a non-Uniparty president anything to sign. Jimmy Carter was and is a Democrat, and yet they wouldn't pass any of the stuff he championed. That's what he got for not being a member of the CFR, even though he was a member of the Tri-Lateral Commission. And you think they'll let a third party vaxx denier be effective at anything?

 

[Cleaner44]

You don't think you do.

So here we have this batch of right wing "alternative" websites. And they're surprisingly well funded and slick for "alternative" sites. And they come up surprisingly high on google searches for "alternative" sites. And they agree on practically everything and march in lockstep to a surprising degree for "alternative" sites.

And the leftist MSM doesn't mention Kennedy at all, while this cabal, this well funded echo chamber, fills Trump worshippers with a story so stupid that only the most gullible will buy it -- the man whose uncle was killed by the CIA, and whose father was killed by the CIA, and whose first cousin was killed by the CIA, and who fought the CIA (among others) tooth and nail over the jab, is doing it all for the CIA.

And in your book, this is all supposed to be a recipe to get him elected. Even though it obviously couldn't work. Even though they're obviously satisfied with the two proven puppets they have or they wouldn't have forced everyone else out of both primary contests. Even though they clearly, patently, categorically don't want Democrats hearing truths like this after going to such lengths to subvert and pervert them:



Quiet primary season, isn't it? Quietest I've seen. Ever.

Sure dude. Keep letting them spoon-feed you.



It takes a mighty fertile imagination to picture Congress sending a non-Uniparty president anything to sign. Jimmy Carter was and is a Democrat, and yet they wouldn't pass any of the stuff he championed. That's what he got for not being a member of the CFR, even though he was a member of the Tri-Lateral Commission. And you think they'll let a third party vaxx denier be effective at anything?

Oh my dude you are hilarious. You assign all of these thoughts and beliefs to me that are not at all based in reality.

I don't really think RFK is a double agent. I was just throwing out the same stupid argument you always use with Trump. You know, the moronic theory that Trump is really in cahoots with the deep state and controlled opposition and all of that.

I just stated in my my previous post to you that I like some things about RFK. Somehow you are so gullible that you fall for the first outlandish thing I say about RFK being a double agent.

Seriously, you do you and vote for the Democrat Kennedy. I can understand that. Seems like a pretty good guy to me. I just don't agree with most of his positions.

I on the other hand prefer to join Republican voters in causing trouble for establishment Republican politicians as much as possible, for what it is worth.

I will be voting for Trump (the real double agent).

Our country is past saving with elections anyways, so no worries.

 

[acptulsa]

I will be voting for Trump (the real double agent).

Our country is past saving with elections anyways, so no worries.

Right. Got it.

No worries.

But you don't get credit for inventing the RFKJr. is CIA narrative, and you can't hang it on me either. Ask Swordsmyth about it, he's an expert in the Trump Fan Fiction field.

 

[Occam's Banana]

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1781764154493153306

https://twitter.com/DylanMAllman/status/1782531797441499164

 

[Cleaner44]

Right. Got it.

No worries.

But you don't get credit for inventing the RFKJr. is CIA narrative, and you can't hang it on me either. Ask Swordsmyth about it, he's an expert in the Trump Fan Fiction field.

I don't want any credit for anything having to do with RFK. He doesn't really matter to me.

I appreciate that he is opposing the establishment and I hope he can gather up the non crazy liberals to oppose Biden and the gang. Ultimately I see Democrat voters as being to weak to stand up to the corruption in their party.

Voting isn't my point anymore. Working with voters is what I am interested in. Voting for politicians is kabuki theater. Living with real citizens in real life is what matters to me.