Spanking

[ifthenwouldi]

"Other"

It's none of your, or government's, business how I raise my children.

Thank you, patriot.

 

[TinyMachines]

Mine was once about every couple weeks when I was younger. I knew what I was getting spanked for every time. It was just that about 25% of the time my parents were just wrong and I didn't do what they thought. My parents would also say "Do you know why you're getting a spanking?" I would be forced to answer even if I didn't do it.

 

[Natalie]

I never got spanked when I was little, but I probably should have. I was so mean to my little brother. I would pull his hair and beat him up all the time.

I am going to spank my kids. Not hard or anything. Just so they know they did something wrong.

 

[pinkmandy]

Spanking is something used by those who cannot reason with a child or who think a child isn't human enough to be reasoned with. Once the kid learns to talk, a swat should only be necessary if the child has a natural prediliction toward being a psycho.

Of course, some children do have that trait, and their parents shouldn't have their hands tied because other parents are incompetent.

I agree. I have 3 kids and while it's harder to think of a way to deal with them than it is to just hit them it can be done. I find it ironic that freedom lovers who would have a really hard time w/a cop hitting someone who wasn't following the rules are okay with big grown ups hitting little children for the same reason.

Perhaps there may be times/types of behavior that a parent finally comes to the conclusion that a spanking might be warranted. Like deadly force, though, I think it should be a last resort. I wouldn't make it illegal, however. To each his own and it's none of the govt's business how you parent short of abuse though it could be argued that all people have a right to be protected from physical violence of others. Children are people, too. I don't support hitting animals, either.

 

[Fox McCloud]

I'm ok with it, so long as it isn't to the point of being abusive. Sometimes there just isn't any other way to get a child to understand...yes, sometimes a child does misbehave to get attention, but more often than not it's because they want to do what they want to do; a child needs to learn there are certain boundaries and there are consequences for crossing those boundaries.

that said, sometimes spanking will only go so far, and a parent must engage in other forms of discipline--grounding, taking away of prized possessions, , writing something, being made to do work, etc....it heavily depends on the child and it heavily depends on what the child did, IMHO.

Growing up, I was spanked, and I turned out ok; I'm not overbearing, super-aggressive or mean-spirited...as a matter of fact most people wouldn't guess that I grew up as a first-born only-child, though personality can have just as much to do with disposition as does unruliness.

I agreed with Dr. 3D on this one; if you spare the rod, you spoil the child.

 

[heavenlyboy34]

I never got spanked when I was little, but I probably should have. I was so mean to my little brother. I would pull his hair and beat him up all the time.

I am going to spank my kids. Not hard or anything. Just so they know they did something wrong.

I'll spank you whenever you want to help make up for the lack of spanking you received! (lol)

 

[silverlinkx2]

if children are so fundamentally selfish and evil that you have to physically harm them in order to correct their behavior or elicit a desired result, then why are humans as a whole worth any fundamental rights or consideration whatsoever?

 

[Kludge]

if children are so fundamentally selfish and evil that you have to physically harm them in order to correct their behavior or elicit a desired result, then why are humans as a whole worth any fundamental rights or consideration whatsoever?

Who said they were evil?

 

[silverlinkx2]

Who said they were evil?

What else would motivate them to behave in a manner so heinous as to warrant physical (and possibly psychological) harm?

 

[Kludge]

What else would motivate them to behave in a manner so heinous as to warrant physical (and possibly psychological) harm?

Ignorance. Once they understood they're mortal and what can hurt them, the desire and respect for rights comes naturally out of selfishness (as they seek to prolong their survival).

 

[pinkmandy]

Ignorance. Once they understood they're mortal and what can hurt them, the desire and respect for rights comes naturally out of selfishness (as they seek to prolong their survival).

If that were true we would have achieved world peace centuries ago.

A society that justifies beating someone into submission is the same kind of society that justifies beating other countries into submission. At some point we have to evolve beyond this mentality of aggression.

You reap what you sow.

 

[Dr.3D]

if children are so fundamentally selfish and evil that you have to physically harm them in order to correct their behavior or elicit a desired result, then why are humans as a whole worth any fundamental rights or consideration whatsoever?

Since when is a slap on the ass "physical harm"? It causes them no damage whatsoever and helps the understand the results of ignoring the authority their parent should have over them.

 

[Kludge]

If that were true we would have achieved world peace centuries ago.

After kids learn that much on their own, they're taught by others to be "human" with the aphorisms of idiots.

And, of course, the child may be mentally handicapped.

 

[Fox McCloud]

if children are so fundamentally selfish and evil that you have to physically harm them in order to correct their behavior or elicit a desired result, then why are humans as a whole worth any fundamental rights or consideration whatsoever?

just because people have the capability to make evil choices and decisions (and quite frequently, at that) doesn't necessarily warrant them to be non-deserving of rights....heck, even in an anarcho-capitalist society, you'd still have the initiation of force to punish via private policy, prisons, courts, etc, and that system (as envisioned by those such as Rothbard, Mises, etc.) is the epitome of individual rights.

 

[pinkmandy]

Since when is a slap on the ass "physical harm"? It causes the suspect no damage whatsoever and helps them understand the results of ignoring the authority their local police should have over them.

Edited. Isn't that kind of the same thing?

Just playing devil's advocate. Interesting conversation.

 

[angelatc]

if children are so fundamentally selfish and evil that you have to physically harm them in order to correct their behavior or elicit a desired result, then why are humans as a whole worth any fundamental rights or consideration whatsoever?

Children who are spanked grow out of it quickly. Children who aren't spanked remain emotional children forever.

Really, if you don't have children you don't even belong in this conversation. No offense, but it's super easy to raise other people's kids. I know because I used to be childless. Now I am older and wiser.

 

[pinkmandy]

After kids learn that much on their own, they're taught by others to be "human" with the aphorisms of idiots.

And, of course, the child may be mentally handicapped.

Is hitting not teaching as well? If so, what's the lesson?

 

[pinkmandy]

Children who are spanked grow out of it quickly. Children who aren't spanked remain emotional children forever.

Really, if you don't have children you don't even belong in this conversation. No offense, but it's super easy to raise other people's kids. I know because I used to be childless. Now I am older and wiser.

I call BS. I have 3 kids and they aren't spanked- ages 3-12. They are incredibly polite, smart, and independent children. Their actions aren't dictated by "fear" of what will happen if they don't comply, their actions are a result of the examples my husband and I have set for them.

 

[Kludge]

Is hitting not teaching as well? If so, what's the lesson?

It is teaching (though a rights violation, IMO), and teaches the child to fear whatever it was that they did, or can be used to emphasize a point, attaching memorable fear to the lesson so it isn't forgotten.

 

[angelatc]

If that were true we would have achieved world peace centuries ago.

A society that justifies beating someone into submission is the same kind of society that justifies beating other countries into submission. At some point we have to evolve beyond this mentality of aggression.

You reap what you sow.

And your kids are going to be undisciplined brats. Sadly, they'll probably end up ruling over mine, who know how to communicate like grown ups.

Hell, we can't reason with Democrats or Republicans? Why on earth do you think it's possible to reason with a 2 year old who is intent on poking her baby sister in the eye?