Source Close to Ron Says it's Possible he Could Still be Swayed to Run 3rd Party.......

Its a tough call...Im pretty sure the Paul camp(to the extent there is a Paul camp) has decided to take the long strategy working within the R party..

Granted a third party run would make a huge splash..I dont see the guys who run the campaign having what it takes to stand up on that sort of stage...just my opinion

with that said if Dr Paul said he was going for it. It would be go time.

All Ron has to say is that he was fully on board with working within the Republican Party until their leadership represented to him that they were completely corrupt and had excluded him. He would do well to have his staff compile a detailed report enumerating the infractions committed.
 
All Ron has to say is that he was fully on board with working within the Republican Party until their leadership represented to him that they were completely corrupt and had excluded him. He would do well to have his staff compile a detailed report enumerating the infractions committed.

Doesn't matter what Ron says the media will spin it the way they want to...the campaign has not shown the ability to handle spin on even a primary level....if Paul ran third party the media onslaught would be on a whole new level.
 
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Doesn't Romney have 2 A-bombs? One to drop on Ron and the other to drop on Iran?
 
Does anyone know any specifics about the 15% polling requirement for the debates? Does it have to be a rolling average over some protracted time period? Are the polling organizations prequalified? Etc.?

I looked it up, and it's pretty vague.

http://www.debates.org/index.php?page=candidate-selection-process

3. INDICATORS OF ELECTORAL SUPPORT

The CPD's third criterion requires that the candidate have a level of support of at least 15% (fifteen percent) of the national electorate as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations' most recent publicly-reported results at the time of the determination.

C. APPLICATION OF CRITERIA

The CPD's determination with respect to participation in the CPD's first-scheduled debate will be made after Labor Day 2012, but sufficiently in advance of the first-scheduled debate to allow for orderly planning.

Just that last point means they could announce who qualifies as early as Tuesday. If the establishment gets wind that Ron is announcing and they don't want him in the debates, they could head him off by announcing earlier in the day who qualified for the debates -- just Romney and Obama, of course. If anyone questions it later, they could say -- even if later polling has new candidate Ron at 15%+ -- that he got into the race too late.
 
That's for the first debate. They don't state anything for debates 2-4.

This is what caught my eye:

as determined by five selected national public opinion polling organizations

So what's the selection criteria? I'm betting it will be, which of the roughly 15 national polls did the guy we want to exclude score lowest in?

If Paul goes third party - it will probably be at least a week before we see fresh polls. That would probably knock him out of the first debate or two.

If, as expected they play dirty, we could petition both the sponsoring news organizations and the sponsoring colleges to pull out. More egg on the RNC's face as well as the CDP's - especially after what has just happened. We could also set up shop next door, as we did last cycle and attract a bigger audience and more coverage - like last time. One of the sponsoring news organizations is NPR, who unlike the rest of the MSN (other that RT) has given us fair coverage. They really do not want to see sponsoring news organizations pull out and a national debate of why the LWV was replaced with these clowns.

-t
 
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That's for the first debate. They don't state anything for debates 2-4.

This is what caught my eye:



So what's the selection criteria? I'm betting it will be, which of the roughly 15 national polls did they guy we want to exclude score lowest in?

If Paul goes third party - it will probably be at least a week before we see fresh polls. That would probably knock him out of the first debate or two.

If, as expected they play dirty, we could petition both the sponsoring news organizations and the sponsoring colleges to pull out. More egg on the RNC's face as well as the CDP's - especially after what has just happened. We could also set up shop next door, as we did last cycle and attract a bigger audience and more coverage - like last time. One of the sponsoring news organizations is NPR, who unlike the rest of the MSN (other that RT) has given us fair coverage. They really do not want to see sponsoring news organizations pull out and a national debate of why the LWV was replaced with these clowns.

-t

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Bumpity Bump..

Bump!!!

If the research I have done so far is right, sore loser laws (at least the ones I have looked at) only apply when a candidate wants to run independent or unaffiliated.. but don't apply to him taking a vacancy in an already existing campaign.
 
Maybe one of Gary Johnson or Jim Gray would be happy to step aside for Ron to join the ticket. That's the only way I see it happening though. If Ron runs, he needs to go home, to the LP and build that coalition he's always dreamed of. Have the CP, Nader, Kucinich all endorse a platform and rally behind Ron.
 
If Ron Paul wants to run a 3rd party, I'm in. Though I don't see it happening. But what ever Ron wants to do, I'll support him. I can support and and Johnson at the same time.
 
Maybe one of Gary Johnson or Jim Gray would be happy to step aside for Ron to join the ticket. That's the only way I see it happening though. If Ron runs, he needs to go home, to the LP and build that coalition he's always dreamed of. Have the CP, Nader, Kucinich all endorse a platform and rally behind Ron.

IMHO, I think we need to get behind Gary Johnson right now. Ron Paul has not, and may not run a 3rd party candidacy. And so, to keep this momentum going, Gary Johnson is now at the forefront of this movement.
 
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No pressure here – no-sure-ree! :D

13,000 posts! WOW! You're making me feel old! Lol!

If anyone wants to give me a “happy post day” present, a +rep would be nice ;) I think I'm less than 10 brownie points away from that “coveted” 4th green dot! Lol!

OK, well what I was already looking at is poll results. It looks like the last time polls were done with RP considered as a third party candidate was back in early May. At the time, Romney was looking at crushing Obama, but other polls said Paul was the only one that could beat Obama.

Before getting into this, I'd like to remind people that Dr. Paul, when asked, has always stated that he's not currently considering a third party run but he has not ruled it out. I think if he had gone third party back then, he would have played into their hands and he would have been marginalized, excluded from debates and so on. Now he's riding the crest of a wave and is totally in the media spotlight. We gained a lot of sympathy (and maybe votes) from Santorum and Gingrinch supporters over the RNC/GOP shenanigans and what they will do to allowing minor candidates have any chance of getting elected in the future. Now is the perfect time to go third party! Dr. Paul has been holding his cards very close to his chest and I think he's still got a major surprise in store for us as he hasn't laid them down. I think he's going to do it! But he's waiting for enough of us to ask him to.

The polls have switched quite a bit, as now Obama is leading Romney by about 9%, last one I saw. I fully expect Romney's poll numbers to go into free-fall due to the BS he pulled at the convention and through the primaries. He's shown his true colors and a lot of the public's and media's reaction has been ICK! As reality sinks in, many will be thinking: well, once again – do I want a red or a blue clothespin to wear on Nov. 6th? A third alternative would be most welcome and that guy that's been right all along would be great! I want another choice!

As to Paul's poll results in recent months, he's gotten between 9% and 17% - generally in the 12% to 14% range. Not scientific – just my general impression and this is almost always with likely Republican voters. We all know our strong suite is Independents and we'd pull in a lot of disillusioned Dems too. In short, with polling looking at the entire electorate, I think our numbers would increase sharply!

Note dates – a lot of this is old:

Rasmussen: Ron Paul Presidential Bid Would Hurt Obama Tuesday, 08 May 2012
http://www.newsmax.com/Politics/rasmussen-report-romney-paul/2012/05/08/id/438367

30% of all voters think Paul is likely to do a third party run. 25% think he should.

Only 12 percent of Republicans think Paul should run independently, compared to 34 percent of Democrats and 31 percent of voters not affiliated with either of the major parties. Voters in Paul’s party are more likely to believe he won’t run as an independent.

Sixty percent of those who plan to vote for Romney have a favorable opinion of Paul, compared to 32 percent of likely Obama voters.

Just over 80 percent of Republican and Democratic voters support their party’s candidate. Paul picks up 11 percent of GOP voters and 5 percent of Democrats. Among unaffiliated voters, it’s Romney 37 percent, Obama 31 percent, Paul 23 percent.

Three-Way Race: Romney 44%, Obama 39%, Ron Paul 13% Same May 8th poll from the horses mouth:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...three_way_race_romney_44_obama_39_ron_paul_13

November Results Predicted: Obama: 46% Romney: 38% Johnson: 16% 8/29/12
Source poll note cited. This is a recent one...
http://www.dailypaul.com/251858/obama-46-romney-38-johnson-16

The GOP establishment apparently has a really, really difficult time understanding the term "blowback". I think it's a great opportunity for a lesson.

(I think the Johnson numbers would be at least 2x – 3x if Paul was the lead name on that ticket. Most people have never heard of Johnson. Just about everyone has heard about Paul!)

Polls Show Romney Cannot Beat Obama (But Ron Paul Can). Ryan Choice Throws Election to Obama
http://ralphlopez.hubpages.com/hub/...l-Can-Ryan-Choice-Seems-to-Throw-the-Election

Reporting is from this week:

On the other hand, Republican candidate Ron Paul beats, or statistically ties, Obama in head-to-head polls. Paul steals the youth Romney does terrible at, voters under 35-years-old (52 percent to 41 percent.) Paul draws crowds that Mick Jagger would admire. One Fox News poll puts Obama ahead of Romney by nearly ten points.

A recent poll in the Detroit Free Press seems to indicate that many people understand that the fix is in:
"Most Americans -- 58% -- expect Obama to win a second term, including more than a quarter of Romney's supporters, a new Associated Press-GfK poll found."
Why We Need Ron Paul
To put the Federal Reserve's new $16 trillion bail-out of banks, many of which are not even American banks, in context, the entire yearly budget for the federal government is about $4 trillion, including the Pentagon. Therefore $16 trillion could have paid for a four year tax holiday for everyone in the nation, rich and poor alike.

Under Obama's watch, this slid through unnoticed, and is little-noticed even now.
Good article, but there are a lack of Paul's numbers. All that is clear now is that Romney is going to loose BIG to Obama!

Ron Paul Beats Obama in Latest Poll - well, this is from September 28th 2011
http://www.conservativeactionalerts.com/2011/09/ron-paul-beats-obama-in-latest-poll/

LAKE JACKSON, Texas — In a new Harris Poll, 2012 Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul beats President Obama 51 percent to 49 percent in a general election race.

These results come just a few weeks after a*Reuters/Ipsos survey showed Ron Paul polling within striking distance of President Obama among registered voters. Furthermore, a late August Rasmussen poll showed him within 1 percent of President Obama in a head-to-head matchup.
Another recent*Gallup survey, conducted August 17-18, shows Paul only 2 percentage points behind Obama in a general election match-up. In a similar head-to-head survey from last year done by*Rasmussen, Dr. Paul drew a statistical dead heat with the President. And earlier this year in a survey by CNN,*he did the best out of the other Republicans put up against Obama in a head-to-head poll.

Here's a RCP poll average 3/10-5/12
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_paul_vs_obama-1750.html
Obama 48.2 / Paul 40.0

That looks like when they stopped polling.

We all know the BS Obama has pulled and Romney is probably worse, especially with his wanting to triple the size of the military. Get Paul on a debate stage or buy TV advertizing time to expose these crimes and both those guys approval ratings are going to take an express elevator to hell!

So come on Dr. Paul, just another couple of months and you could save this country!

Please?

-t
 
Its a tough call...Im pretty sure the Paul camp(to the extent there is a Paul camp) has decided to take the long strategy working within the R party..

Granted a third party run would make a huge splash..I dont see the guys who run the campaign having what it takes to stand up on that sort of stage...just my opinion
with that said if Dr Paul said he was going for it. It would be go time.

Michael Steele for campaign manager. :D
 
I took my support for Ron as far as a could during this election cycle, representing him as a delegate at my state convention, as well as doing everything I could to spread his message. I would have gone to Tampa as a delegate had I been given the opportunity. I would campaign even harder for him, if that's possible, if he ran third party. I'm getting my hopes up unintentionally, but I don't care. I would do everything I could for Ron Paul if he ran as a Libertarian.
 
Rome vs Carthage.Does Rand really have a chance?It seems to me it's Ryan or Rubio next time.They are threatening that if Ron doesn't shut up,it will go badly for Rand.I think it will go badly for him anyway.If an animal bites you once,you don't go to kiss it.Ron's an individual like us and if he wants a rest/doesn't want to do it,that's his business.

Why is your DHS buying 1.4 billion rounds of hollow point (dum dum) ammunition? If there are bad times coming and possibly war as a distraction,x million more Americans who are fore warned is good and if they are educated not to blame capitalism,better.Maybe Ron would run as their VP? To bolster/give a root to Johnson's woeful economic knowledge.
 
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