Some Tea Partiers love govt spending, so long as it's NASA

[phill4paul]

Try without Integrated Circuits.

-t

It took a shit load of forced monetary acquisition to put a man on the moon and say "Huh-fuckin-ra!" we'll make Velcro a public domain.

What are ya saying? Big government is good if it covers your particular angle?

Don't know -t. I ain't a fan of the space program. Do you really believe that it is a wise theft from individuals for the invention of Integrated Circuits?

 

[IPSecure]

[Sarcasm]

Long Live The Planetary Industrial Complex!

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[AuH20]

Isn't NASA the only department that actually "earns" it's way in the long run? I mean it's not an empty hole of subsidization like the DoD or DoE in which nothing tangible is produced or discovered?

 

[specsaregood]

Good God..were would we be without Velcro!

Contrary to popular belief, velcro, tang and teflon ARE NOT a result of NASA inventions, only popularized by them.

Nasa even has a web page saying so:
http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ipp/home/myth_tang.html

Are Tang, Teflon, and Velcro NASA spinoffs?
Tang, Teflon, and Velcro, are not spinoffs of the Space Program. General Foods developed Tang in 1957, and it has been on supermarket shelves since 1959. In 1962, when astronaut John Glenn performed eating experiments in orbit, Tang was selected for the menu, launching the powdered drink's heightened public awareness. NASA also raised the celebrity status of Teflon, a material invented for DuPont in 1938, when the Agency applied it to heat shields, space suits, and cargo hold liners. Velcro was used during the Apollo missions to anchor equipment for astronauts' convenience in zero gravity situations. Although it is a Swiss invention from the 1940s, it has since been associated with the Space Program.

So what exactly has NASA done for us?

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

It took a shit load of forced monetary acquisition to put a man on the moon and say "Huh-fuckin-ra!" we'll make Velcro a public domain.

What are ya saying? Big government is good if it covers your particular angle?

Don't know -t. I ain't a fan of the space program. Do you really believe that it is a wise theft from individuals for the invention of Integrated Circuits?

Well, we wouldn't be having this discussion without them. (no computers/Internet)

At the same time, yes the space program is vital to national defense. The shuttle was largely designed by NRO to launch sats, and navigation, LD communication and precision targeting would not be happening without their contribution.

Disclaimer: I used to work for NASA as well as for a NASA contractor.

-t

 

[silus]

Contrary to popular belief, velcro, tang and teflon ARE NOT a result of NASA inventions, only popularized by them.

Nasa even has a web page saying so:
http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ipp/home/myth_tang.html


So what exactly has NASA done for us?

Zero-gravity shitters.

 

[justinc.1089]

Isn't NASA the only department that actually "earns" it's way in the long run? I mean it's not an empty hole of subsidization like the DoD or DoE in which nothing tangible is produced or discovered?

I don't think NASA has lived up to the amount of money it receives at all. It has been getting a slice of the budget since it was first created for decades, and has given back relatively little in comparison to the money that has been given to it.

So no, NASA does not "earn" its way in the long run.

Besides, why FORCE people to pay for it, and not allow it to fail, when the free market can do so much better?

As for the concerns about space defense in the future, the government can buy spaceships from a private company and stick laser guns bought from another private company on them, and bam: space defense! Brought to you by private businesses.

Also, you should be willing to lose your own job if that is what it takes to gain our freedom from government. It is hypocritical to say you are not willing to cut spending that will hurt people you know, but be willing to cut spending that will hurt people you do not know. In the long run, cutting spending will not hurt anyone, it will help us all. I know tons of people very close to me depending on the government, but I will never stand on the side of the government because I want freedom.

 

[specsaregood]

Zero-gravity shitters.

I must say, the idea of pooping upside down does sound appealling.

 

[NYgs23]

Let's get it straight: it doesn't matter what NASA invented or didn't invent. No one can demonstrate that the money spent on their inventions wouldn't have been more efficiently spent in the marketplace. This is Opportunity Cost 101. But we can say that the marketplace is FAR, FAR, FAR more efficient at allocating scarce resources in ways that satisfy the desires of consumers than any govt agency, even the ones Hollywood makes cool movies about.

 

[angelatc]

Well, we wouldn't be having this discussion without them. (no computers/Internet)

At the same time, yes the space program is vital to national defense. The shuttle was largely designed by NRO to launch sats, and navigation, LD communication and precision targeting would not be happening without their contribution.

Disclaimer: I used to work for NASA as well as for a NASA contractor.

-t

I don't think that we'd be living in caves if we didn't fund NASA, but I do agree that it could be justified under national defense.

 

[JK/SEA]

I support some limited type of government space program at this point because I think it falls under national defense. Like it or not, there will be weapons in space shortly, if they're not there already. So, I have no problem with NASA or another program that seeks to keep our window into space open by keeping up with other countries.

I also think there will be a role for the military in space one day. Someone needs to ensure that private spaceships aren't robbed or attacked if there are other countries up there. Granted, this isn't the case today, but I think it isn't too far off in the future. I see it as being similar to the US Navy, which provides presence to deter other countries from going after our ships and occasionally attacks pirates, so that private business can conduct business at sea. Space, to me, is just a much vaster and stranger version of the ocean.

I agree with this. Money for NASA right off the top from Defense spending. If it means we have stop policing the world to do it...oh well....

 

[Badger Paul]

": "Some people might say this is in an entitlement program, but the space program provides so many more benefits....tons of technology....the high-paying jobs..."

I hear that about farm subsidies too...

 

[aravoth]

If NASA hadn't of ever existed, a man would have walked on Mars ten years ago sent there by a private business.

Bullshit, they would have done it 20 years ago

 

[Badger Paul]

It not a question of worth, it's a question of asking others to take a cut except for you. You know, "what's mine is mine and what's yours is negotiable." You can't credibly cut government when you are protecting your pet projects, because you'll compromise your beliefs first before you cut anything in order to stay elected.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Contrary to popular belief, velcro, tang and teflon ARE NOT a result of NASA inventions, only popularized by them.

Nasa even has a web page saying so:
http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ipp/home/myth_tang.html


So what exactly has NASA done for us?

Post 10:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=213836&highlight=NASA

Post 1 & 2:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=206553&highlight=NASA

I think there are more, but we've had this discussion before...

-t

 

[phill4paul]

Contrary to popular belief, velcro, tang and teflon ARE NOT a result of NASA inventions, only popularized by them.

Nasa even has a web page saying so:
http://www.nasa.gov/offices/ipp/home/myth_tang.html


So what exactly has NASA done for us?

Noted and thank you.

 

[.Tom]

All these huge government cons really get my blood boiling.

They claim to want less government and less socialism, but have no problem with the forced redistribution of wealth as long as it goes to the military or nasa or whatever else gives them a hard on.

Fucking hypocrites. Seriously, anything that's funded by theft doesn't deserve to be funded at all. You need to be against all government spending period, or you're just a giant hypocrite.

 

[Pete_00]

18 billion/year for Nasa (and you DO get alot in return no matter what you say)

700 billion/year for defense

980 billion for all the wars since 2001 (direct cost, trillions in indirect cost)

(136 billion 2007 dollars for the Apollo program just as a curiosity)

And i dont recall the libertarian "revolution" being in place, if im not mistaken Reality is...Reality

An example of some libertarians trying to be most "harcore" around.

And what has NASA done? Gezzz thats some mighty "general culture" you guys have there regarding the importance of all kinds of satellites in our daily lifes and science/engineering in general. "Send government employees to space" lol...so harcore, so harcore...you will get the Rothbard prize one day

 

[phill4paul]

Well, we wouldn't be having this discussion without them. (no computers/Internet)

At the same time, yes the space program is vital to national defense. The shuttle was largely designed by NRO to launch sats, and navigation, LD communication and precision targeting would not be happening without their contribution.

Disclaimer: I used to work for NASA as well as for a NASA contractor.

-t

OK well this seems to be your "thing" that allows you to support big government.

Others have their "thing" that you may be against, but, this is the "thing" that you agree with government on.

-t everyone of the accomplishments of the "space industry" could very well have been accomplished through free enterprise were it not for government intervention and ownership.

No one "thing" that the federal government claims ownership of is a good thing.

 

[tangent4ronpaul]

Private space companies are not there yet. When one can get a few people in orbit, keep them there for a few weeks, dock with the space station and do things like fix sats - well, maybe defunding NASA would be an appropriate topic.

btwL renting seats from the Russians, besides making the country dependent is really dumb financially. The cost is 50 Mil a head for a round trip ticket. It costs 10 Thousand dollars per pound to put orbit payload via the shuttle. Do the math.

Also remember, space is the ultimate high ground - from a military perspective.

-t