Solidarity Moving Foward; End the Fed

[TheTexan]

I know there's been a lot of disagreement in what candidates to support, but can we please agree on one thing:

Federal Reserve is issue #1, #2, #3, and #4. The Fed if unchanged will bankrupt the middle class, and guarantee that we will have no savings, no retirement, and will be working until we die. Not to mention enable the unlimited growth of the leviathan, endless wars, etc.

If a candidate does not support a 100% audit, and eventual competing currencies, as their top priority, you should not even consider giving that candidate your support.

Do not waver. Do not falter. If I see anybody supporting any candidates that do not recognize the importance of this issue, I will call them out on it, and I hope others will do the same.

 

[Feeding the Abscess]

Very related:

http://lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard202.html

http://lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard269.html

 

[tbone717]

HR459 Cosponsors

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:8:./temp/~bdGNyK:@@@P|/bss/|

S202 Cosponsors

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00202:@@@P|/bss/|

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

If a candidate does not support a 100% audit, and eventual competing currencies, as their top priority, you should not even consider giving that candidate your support.

HR459 Cosponsors

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d112:8:./temp/~bdGNyK:@@@P|/bss/|

S202 Cosponsors

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d112:SN00202:@@@P|/bss/|

Another example of tbone717's underhandedness. The OP makes it very clear he wants people to support only candidates who want both a fed audit and competing currencies. Mr rlc posts two distracting lists of the many who just support an audit, with no mention of that major distinction.

BS cover-up response in 3, 2, 1...

 

[tbone717]

If a candidate does not support a 100% audit, and eventual competing currencies, as their top priority, you should not even consider giving that candidate your support.

I whole heartedly agree that the Federal Reserve is the number on issue that the Liberty Movement should focus on. As someone else said here recently the Fed is the head of the hydra, and all the other aspects of big government come from it.

But just for clarification, what is your means for checking this litmus test you are suggesting?

For example, I visited the sites of four candidates that Ron Paul has endorsed: Bills, Cruz, Massie and Amash. While they all have statements on their site which suggest they would support the Audit the Fed Bill, there is nothing that I found regarding competing currencies. Amash, (the only one of these four that is currently in office) is not a cosponsor of H.R. 1098. Additionally there is anything to suggest that these issues are the candidate's "top priority" as you suggest.

So since you are suggesting that RPF members should not consider giving support to a candidate unless these two issues are their top priority, by what means do you feel a candidate should be scrutinized?

 

[tbone717]

Another example of tbone717's underhandedness. The OP makes it very clear he wants people to support only candidates who want both a fed audit and competing currencies. Mr rlc posts two distracting lists of the many who just support an audit, with no mention of that major distinction.

BS cover-up response in 3, 2, 1...

There is only one cosponsor of the Competing Currency Act a Dem from OH. The bill wasn't coming up on a "thomas" search by number. I had to find it through other means.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr1098

There is no companion bill in the Senate. Rand introduced the companion bill to HR459 in the Senate, but he has not introduced a companion to HR1098.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

There is only one cosponsor of the Competing Currency Act a Dem from OH. The bill wasn't coming up on a "thomas" search by number. I had to find it through other means.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/hr1098

There is no companion bill in the Senate. Rand introduced the companion bill to HR459 in the Senate, but he has not introduced a companion to HR1098.

I'm fully aware of all those facts. The fact you didn't mention it in your first post is just the umpteenth example of you trying to water down and coopt the liberty movement by underhanded means.

 

[tbone717]

I'm fully aware of all those facts. The fact you didn't mention it in your first post is just the umpteenth example of you trying to water down and coopt the liberty movement by underhanded means.

So based on the fact that neither Rand nor Amash are making both issues top priorities are you suggesting as the OP did that we should not consider giving our support to that candidate? For that matter, doing a cursory search of the candidates that Ron has endorsed, along with the other ones mentioned in the Jack Hunter video that was posted this weekend (Kerry Bentivolio, John Brunner, etc), I cannot find any evidence that any of those candidates are making both issues their top priority. Can you?

 

[pmbug]

I'm fully aware of all those facts. The fact you didn't mention it in your first post is just the umpteenth example of you trying to water down and coopt the liberty movement by underhanded means.

WTF?

Sounds like you are grinding an axe here. tbone717's reponses in this thread have been perfectly reasonable.

Politics is not generally a binary game where everything is either-or. A lot of politicos won't commit to something like competing currencies unless there is a wellspring of support for it (ie. it's politically safe to do so) among their constituents. An Audit is the (likely) first step to shoring up that support.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

So based on the fact that neither Rand nor Amash are making both issues top priorities are you suggesting as the OP did that we should not consider giving our support to that candidate? For that matter, doing a cursory search of the candidates that Ron has endorsed, along with the other ones mentioned in the Jack Hunter video that was posted this weekend (Kerry Bentivolio, John Brunner, etc), I cannot find any evidence that any of those candidates are making both issues their top priority. Can you?

In other words, you disagree with the OP but are too sneaky and underhanded to have just said so in your original post. Yet again proving my point.

WTF?

Sounds like you are grinding an axe here. tbone717's reponses in this thread have been perfectly reasonable.

I am grinding an axe. Tbone717 has deceptively pushed his own watered down agenda for months. I'm here to call him on it every chance I get.

 

[LibertyEagle]

In other words, you disagree with the OP but are too sneaky and underhanded to have just said so in your original post. Yet again proving my point.

Sorry, but I don't think you are being fair. At least with regard to his post in this thread. He gave a couple of links to people who had endorsed an audit. To me, that is useful information. I don't know any list of the politicians or candidates who agree to competing currencies. Do you?

I am grinding an axe. Tbone717 has deceptively pushed his own watered down agenda for months. I'm here to call him on it every chance I get.

The thing is though, that if you do not choose valid examples of that, it just looks like you are harassing him.

 

[tbone717]

In other words, you disagree with the OP but are too sneaky and underhanded to have just said so in your original post. Yet again proving my point.

I had asked for clarification, since what the OP suggests is a very stringent litmus test, and from what I can gather, would suggest that there is not a single candidate running this year who he/she would support, as none of the ones I looked at are making both issues their top priority.

So if that is what he/she is suggesting, not only do I disagree with it, it would appear that Ron, Rand and Hunter do as well. Both Ron & Rand have endorsed candidates that do not make both issues their top priority. Hunter mentioned a list of candidates in his video, and I do not believe that any of them are making both issues their top priority.

Don't misunderstand, I think that HR1098 is a good bill, it is just a ways away from getting large scale support at this time.

I am grinding an axe. Tbone717 has deceptively pushed his own watered down agenda for months. I'm here to call him on it every chance I get.

And if you are suggesting that no candidate deserves our support, because no candidate is making both issues their top priority, then you are pushing an agenda that is not in line with the campaign's agenda.

If you can find a candidate that states that these two issues are their top priority, please feel free to post it.

 

[tbone717]

I don't know any list of the politicians or candidates who agree to competing currencies. Do you?

The only cosponsor of HR1098 is Jared Polis (D-CO2). Looking over some key votes for the last year or two, it looks like he only votes the same way as Paul about 10% of the time. Polis is also a cosponsor of HR459.

 

[thomas-in-ky]

I enthusiastically support a competing currency (or currencies) as well as auditing the fed. I conveyed this in my pre-endorsement interview with the YAL board, and my position has been accurately portrayed in a Jack Hunter video. IMHO, the single biggest issue facing our country is the national debt. Therefore cutting spending, thereby reducing the size of our government, is my top priority. These positions, and priorities, resonate with the constituents in my congressional district, so it looks like I could be joining Rand Paul and Justin Amash in DC on January 3rd! Thank you for supporting me here on rpf.

- Thomas Massie, on vacation, reading "The Creature from Jekyll Island"

 

[tbone717]

I enthusiastically support a competing currency (or currencies) as well as auditing the fed. I conveyed this in my pre-endorsement interview with the YAL board, and my position has been accurately portrayed in a Jack Hunter video. IMHO, the single biggest issue facing our country is the national debt. Therefore cutting spending, thereby reducing the size of our government, is my top priority. These positions, and priorities, resonate with the constituents in my congressional district, so it looks like I could be joining Rand Paul and Justin Amash in DC on January 3rd! Thank you for supporting me here on rpf.

- Thomas Massie, on vacation, reading "The Creature from Jekyll Island"

You have run an excellent campaign, and the prospects look great!

 

[LibertyEagle]

You rock, Thomas! Thank you for what you are doing.

 

[IDefendThePlatform]

Sorry, but I don't think you are being fair. At least with regard to his post in this thread. He gave a couple of links to people who had endorsed an audit. To me, that is useful information. I don't know any list of the politicians or candidates who agree to competing currencies. .

That's the point though. He does this repeatedly and doesn't state his intentions, which are to get Ron Paul activists to give up our leverage and dilute our resources by supporting a broader cross section of Republicans.

I dont trust him and I'll take every opportunity to point out his true intentions.

 

[TheTexan]

The Republican Party, and Congress as a whole, has their own reasons for wanting to audit the Fed. The audit is going to happen. It's up to us to make sure it's done for the right reasons.

END THE FED

No compromise on this issue

 

[LibertyEagle]

bxm, what do you think about this? I think it is a good idea. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-Jim-DeMint&p=4529537&viewfull=1#post4529537

 

[TheTexan]

You rock, Thomas! Thank you for what you are doing.

Indeed!