Solidarity Moving Foward; End the Fed

[Luciconsort]

I enthusiastically support a competing currency (or currencies) as well as auditing the fed. I conveyed this in my pre-endorsement interview with the YAL board, and my position has been accurately portrayed in a Jack Hunter video. IMHO, the single biggest issue facing our country is the national debt. Therefore cutting spending, thereby reducing the size of our government, is my top priority. These positions, and priorities, resonate with the constituents in my congressional district, so it looks like I could be joining Rand Paul and Justin Amash in DC on January 3rd! Thank you for supporting me here on rpf.

- Thomas Massie, on vacation, reading "The Creature from Jekyll Island"

I'm about half way through "The Creature from Jekyll Island", it's actually pretty scary so far. I knew it was bad but to see the minutia is staggering, how it's all tied together.

 

[TheTexan]

bxm, what do you think about this? I think it is a good idea. http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...n-Jim-DeMint&p=4529537&viewfull=1#post4529537

If you can show me that DeMint seeks to end the fed, and not just audit it, and that it is a top priority of his, I will fully support this idea

 

[Sola_Fide]

I enthusiastically support a competing currency (or currencies) as well as auditing the fed. I conveyed this in my pre-endorsement interview with the YAL board, and my position has been accurately portrayed in a Jack Hunter video. IMHO, the single biggest issue facing our country is the national debt. Therefore cutting spending, thereby reducing the size of our government, is my top priority. These positions, and priorities, resonate with the constituents in my congressional district, so it looks like I could be joining Rand Paul and Justin Amash in DC on January 3rd! Thank you for supporting me here on rpf.

- Thomas Massie, on vacation, reading "The Creature from Jekyll Island"

^^^Patriot

 

[Sola_Fide]

Indeed!

I told you this Massie guy was worth supporting.

 

[tbone717]

If you can show me that DeMint seeks to end the fed, and not just audit it, and that it is a top priority of his, I will fully support this idea

From your research, which candidates support "a 100% audit, and eventual competing currencies, as their top priority"?

 

[TheTexan]

From your research, which candidates support "a 100% audit, and eventual competing currencies, as their top priority"?

I don't have a complete list. I could name off quite a number of them, but I don't want to leave people out. A list of candidates isn't the point of this thread, you should be able to figure out on your own who is and isn't for ending the fed.

 

[NoOneButPaul]

In other words, you disagree with the OP but are too sneaky and underhanded to have just said so in your original post. Yet again proving my point.



I am grinding an axe. Tbone717 has deceptively pushed his own watered down agenda for months. I'm here to call him on it every chance I get.

Yea and you Potus blinder wearing fools don't have any damn agenda you're pushing... right...

The difference between the long view agenda we're pushing and the short view agenda your pushing is that we don't restort to the type of childish tactics you people do.

 

[LibertyEagle]

If you can show me that DeMint seeks to end the fed, and not just audit it, and that it is a top priority of his, I will fully support this idea

Huh? That wasn't the suggestion. It is not specific to DeMint at all.

I was talking about the following:

Rank candidates and politicians on the Liberty scale we all have seen here.

I think that's a much better solution. Rank the candidates on a scale, then start weeding out the vulnerable from the bottom. They'll take it upon themselves to start climbing the ranks when they see the liberty scythe headed their way.

But, if we do that, the criteria have to be viewable, along with the rationale why the person received the ranking that they did.

Someone said YAL ranks candidates and if they do, it may be useful to see what they are using.

 

[tbone717]

I don't have a complete list. I could name off quite a number of them, but I don't want to leave people out. A list of candidates isn't the point of this thread, you should be able to figure out on your own who is and isn't for ending the fed.

Can you name some of them with some references to their positions on both issues?

I checked a few candidates this morning. There are many who support a Fed Audit from the ones Ron has endorsed and the ones that Hunter makes mention of in his video. The hard part was finding positions on competing currencies. And also whether or not those two issues were their top priority.

Personally, I support both bills. And I think it is very important to seek out candidates that also support these issues. I just find it difficult to find candidates that pass your litmus test of supporting both the audit and the competing currencies, with both of those being their top priority. Even Massie, who in this thread stated that he supports both bills stated that his top priority is "cutting spending, thereby reducing the size of our government".

 

[LibertyEagle]

Yea and you Potus blinder wearing fools don't have any damn agenda you're pushing... right...

The difference between the long view agenda we're pushing and the short view agenda your pushing is that we don't restort to the type of childish tactics you people do.

Who is "we"?

 

[TheTexan]

Huh? That wasn't the suggestion. It is not specific to DeMint at all.

I was talking about the following:




But, if we do that, the criteria have to be viewable, along with the rationale why the person received the ranking that they did.

Someone said YAL ranks candidates and if they do, it may be useful to see what they are using.

On phone, or id go into more detail, but I'm officially a single issue voter now. End the fed encompasses all issues. Similarly, its very hard for someone to say to be fiscal conservative if they dont support ending the fed. Its very easy to say someone is a fiscal conservative, but end the fed proves it

 

[TheTexan]

Even Massie, who in this thread stated that he supports both bills stated that his top priority is "cutting spending, thereby reducing the size of our government".

I caught that too. Which made me uneasy. However, he seems to have demonstrated a genuine understanding of the significance of the problem of the Fed. Which goes a long way towards earning my trust.

With that said, my continued support for him is contingent on his ability to pursue a solution to the fed with the conviction and "enthusiasm" that the problem deserves.

 

[tbone717]

I caught that too. Which made me uneasy. However, he seems to have demonstrated a genuine understanding of the significance of the problem of the Fed. Which goes a long way towards earning my trust.

With that said, my continued support for him is contingent on his ability to pursue a solution to the fed with the conviction and "enthusiasm" that the problem deserves.

Understood, and I agree. Your statement in the OP though seemed to imply that unless a candidate made that their top priority that they are unworthy of support. Such a stringent litmus test can be troubling, especially if you have a strong liberty candidate in a hotly contested race. I would hate to see people decide not to support someone just because these issues are not priority one on that candidate's list and thus hand the race over to a challenger who is actively working against out issues.

I don't know if I brought this up in here or not, but there was a segment of the social-cons back in the 90's who had a similar strong litmus test. They would say that not only does a candidate have to profess to be pro-life, but their main focus has to be the repeal of Roe v Wade. I recall hearing from some of those folks that a particular candidate was "not really pro-life" because he didn't make that issue the benchmark of his campaign. Turns out the candidate is question, had a perfect pro-life voting record, but he just didn't wear that on his sleeve.

 

[TheTexan]

Understood, and I agree. Your statement in the OP though seemed to imply that unless a candidate made that their top priority that they are unworthy of support. Such a stringent litmus test can be troubling

It need not be an outwardly displayed top priority. Anyone who genuinely understands the problem of the Fed, it is their #1 priority. If it's not a candidate's #1 priority, they do not understand it.

So if they genuinely understand the problem, it is perfectly acceptable for their actions to be subtle in this regard, as long as their intent is not. The tricky part with this, is that most candidates, you can't verify that intent. So for most candidates, it will need to be an outwardly displayed top priority.

Thomas Massie, simply by being on these forums, (and reading Creature from Jekyll Island) has earned the trust to know that we can count on him to do what needs to be done, when the time comes to do it.

Very few politicians have earned that trust. They can earn it by clearly stating an intent to end the fed, and being knowledgeable and passionate on the subject. And that is fine.

 

[Sola_Fide]

To me, it is acceptable to say "cutting spending is my number one priority" or "the debt is the most important issue facing the country" if there is the understanding that the FED is the source of the problem and the catalyst behind deficits and unbalanced budgets. Fine with me. The problem is finding candidates who actually understand Austrian economics and the evils of central banking. Thank God for future congressmen like Thomas Massie.

 

[Philosophy_of_Politics]

This is the main aspect we need to focus on, regarding any/all legislative efforts.

 

[tfurrh]

From Jeb Hensarling - fail.

Dear Mr. Furrh:


Thank you for contacting me with your thoughts on the Federal Reserve System. I appreciate having the benefit of your views on this issue.

The Federal Reserve was created through the Federal Reserve Act in 1913. The Federal Reserve was created as a semi-public, semi-private institution whose main responsibilities include setting national interest rates, managing our monetary policy to ensure maximum employment and stable prices, and supervising and regulating our banking system to ensure the safety of and soundness of our banks. It is headed by Board of Governors who are appointed by the president and it oversees 12 regional banks located throughout the U.S. The current Chairman of the Federal Reserve is Ben Bernanke.

As you may know, Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX) introduced the Federal Reserve Transparency Act of 2011 (H.R. 459), which would eliminate restrictions on the Government Accountability Office (GAO) – the federal government’s nonpartisan watchdog group – to audit the Federal Reserve and open its operations to enhanced scrutiny. Like you, I feel this legislation is necessary to provide the American public with an accurate assessment of our nation’s monetary policies. This bill has been referred to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

I understand your concerns with the power granted to the Federal Reserve by Congress, especially now that the Fed has committed trillions of dollars to programs to address our current financial crisis. The Fed plays an important role not only in stabilizing the economy through controlling interest rates, but also providing security for the banking system. Specifically, the Fed brings crucial stability to our economy through its mandate to ensure that our banks are operating in a safe and sound manner, as evidenced by the fact that there has not been a classic “bank run” where account holders withdraw all their money from a bank en masse since 1934. However, with so much money at stake, it is important that Congress and taxpayers have an accurate accounting of the Fed’s actions consistent with its stability mandate.

Please be assured I will keep your views in mind should this or any other relevant legislation come before me as I continue my work as a member of the House Financial Services Committee.

Thank you again for contacting me. I appreciate having the opportunity to serve you in the United States House of Representatives. I encourage you to visit my website at www.hensarling.house.gov/ where you can sign up for my e-newsletter. The website also provides links to my YouTube, Facebook, and Twitter pages, all of which will help bring my work in Washington, D.C. home to you.


Yours respectfully,

JEB HENSARLING
Member of Congress

 

[Sola_Fide]

Absolute fail^^^