So... who has had it?

luctor-et-emergo said:
Both times symptoms, is why they got tested. Not very bad, in normal circumstances they would probably have come in to work feeling a bit under.
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That is interesting. Assuming that the PCR tests were accurate, and they truly had two separate infections, three possibilities come to mind:

1 - it was a mutated strain, that was able to bypass immunity.
2 - they had the same strain twice, thus throwing everything we know about cold and flu infection and immunity after recovery into doubt, or requiring some major modifications.
3 - these people have some kind of immune system deficiency.

Options 1 and 2 apply equally to vaccines.

Option 2 can not ignore the unprecedented testing that has happened with COVID. No one gets a test for extremely mild symptoms. Is it possible that this is the case with all colds and flus? Can you catch them twice, with lesser symptoms the second time around because the immune system is primed? Just because a person’s immune system is ready does not prevent the virus from continually attempting to reinfect.

Option 3 would be specific to individuals.
 
Brian4Liberty said:
That is interesting. Assuming that the PCR tests were accurate, and they truly had two separate infections, three possibilities come to mind:

1 - it was a mutated strain, that was able to bypass immunity.
2 - they had the same strain twice, thus throwing everything we know about cold and flu infection and immunity after recovery into doubt, or requiring some major modifications.
3 - these people have some kind of immune system deficiency.

Options 1 and 2 apply equally to vaccines.

Option 2 can not ignore the unprecedented testing that has happened with COVID. No one gets a test for extremely mild symptoms. Is it possible that this is the case with all colds and flus? Can you catch them twice, with lesser symptoms the second time around because the immune system is primed? Just because a person’s immune system is ready does not prevent the virus from continually attempting to reinfect.

Option 3 would be specific to individuals.
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My guess as an obviously very extremely informed person is that at least one of the PCR tests was a false positive.
 
luctor-et-emergo said:
More than 4 months at least and tested by PCR test.
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You do realize that the PCR test is both useless and pointless..

and that Covid-19 has never been isolated.. (it is a fabricated name)

Do you also realize that it is described as a novel coronavirus,, which is a Cold,, and not Influenza at all.
 
I did the flatten the curve thing in March 2020. In April 2020, I declared my personal economy "open." There were no mask mandates at the time, but the 6' stuff was there. I told friends and family that I would respect their 6' zone but that anyone was welcome to enter mine for a fist bump, handshake, hug, or whatever. A year later, no mask, no hand sanitizer, just going about life as normally as I can. I've never had it. I know people who have claimed that they did, but I never saw them sick and don't know their details. No one in my (extended) household got it (couple family members were considered part of our household since the start. They're over for dinner several times a week). I live in a small city and I'm out and about almost daily. The 7-11 alone should have exposed me to it by now.
 
TheTexan said:
My guess as an obviously very extremely informed person is that at least one of the PCR tests was a false positive.
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Very likely.

Brian4Liberty said:
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Option 2 can not ignore the unprecedented testing that has happened with COVID. No one gets a test for extremely mild symptoms. Is it possible that this is the case with all colds and flus? Can you catch them twice, with lesser symptoms the second time around because the immune system is primed? Just because a person’s immune system is ready does not prevent the virus from continually attempting to reinfect.
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That question becomes even more relevant with all of the fully vaccinated people who receive routine COVID testing (like baseball players) who have tested positive for COVID.

At some point in the future, it may become common knowledge that the only thing that was different with COVID vs. other colds and flus was the unprecedented testing. Never before in history have so many asymptomatic people been tested, or “diagnoses” issued based upon nothing more than an unreliable test.
 
Luckily not covid so far, as far as I know.

Not sure if that has anything to do with it but have tried to keep up with exercise and vitamin C rich fruits & vegies and some social distancing. Until all the facts come out, not as covid-valiant as some others : - )
 
cjm said:
I did the flatten the curve thing in March 2020. In April 2020, I declared my personal economy "open." There were no mask mandates at the time, but the 6' stuff was there. I told friends and family that I would respect their 6' zone but that anyone was welcome to enter mine for a fist bump, handshake, hug, or whatever. A year later, no mask, no hand sanitizer, just going about life as normally as I can. I've never had it. I know people who have claimed that they did, but I never saw them sick and don't know their details. No one in my (extended) household got it (couple family members were considered part of our household since the start. They're over for dinner several times a week). I live in a small city and I'm out and about almost daily. The 7-11 alone should have exposed me to it by now.
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My story is almost exactly like yours except that I’m in a large city.
 
"Had It"?

"IT" has never been defined. Never been isolated in a lab.

"It" has been called two distinctly different things..

"It" has been massively overblown in the media.

There is a Non-Vaccine experimental injection being pushed for "It". (no one knows what that is either)

and there is a lot of fear of "It".
 
pcosmar said:
"Had It"?

"IT" has never been defined. Never been isolated in a lab.

"It" has been called two distinctly different things..

"It" has been massively overblown in the media.

There is a Non-Vaccine experimental injection being pushed for "It". (no one knows what that is either)

and there is a lot of fear of "It".
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“It” only exists as poorly crafted propaganda. I’ve only heard of friends of neighbors cousins getting “it” and I live in a large city. Our hospitals were never overrun and the funeral pyres have yet to be lit.

I’ve disowned several coworkers and ‘friends’ over their zealous acceptance of “it” as truth and something to be feared. They’re too goddamned stupid to exist in my circle.
 
Invisible Man said:
Why do you believe this?
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Because it is Was a Lab Produced Product ..a Bio Weapon.

It was produced at expense,,and that investment will be protected.

It is not been isolated.. due to ownership issues..

Now, that aside,,
It is allegedly a Novel Coronavirus..(a cold) but has been promoted as Influenza,, and said to have flu-like symptoms.

two entirely different things with known remedies..

https://nojabforme.info/?fbclid=IwAR3B-La8hrfSSoku0v1Uo44so1QTlg9kHl7ylobW0OoddKRt1KrXUzpB8e8

For clarification purposes in this article, given that the virus has not been isolated and that the symptoms mimic the flu, Covid19 is considered an influenza variant. And, yes, people can die of influenza or the common cold. In fact, lungs of influenza patients can be more damaged than those of Covid patients. And blood clotting is also common in flu patients
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pcosmar said:
Because it is Was a Lab Produced Product ..a Bio Weapon.

It was produced at expense,,and that investment will be protected.

It is not been isolated.. due to ownership issues..

Now, that aside,,
It is allegedly a Novel Coronavirus..(a cold) but has been promoted as Influenza,, and said to have flu-like symptoms.

two entirely different things with known remedies..

https://nojabforme.info/?fbclid=IwAR3B-La8hrfSSoku0v1Uo44so1QTlg9kHl7ylobW0OoddKRt1KrXUzpB8e8
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Those are a lot of separate claims. Suppose it was a lab produced bio-weapon. That wouldn't prevent it from being isolated. I don't see how "ownership issues" would prevent it from being isolated.

I keep seeing people repeat the claim that it hasn't been isolated. But when I look for the basis of that claim I can't find anything. A simple internet search turns up countless journal articles by scientists writing about isolates of the SARS COV2 virus, describing the methods used to isolate it and documenting it, sometimes with photographs. I can't find anybody interacting with these specific claims and accusing them of being liars, or saying that others tried to reproduce what they had done and disproved it. I can't even find anybody who has any level of expertise in the field who even disputes that the virus has been isolated. The only people I can find who claim that are lay people who are either just repeating it because someone else said it, or who misinterpreted a line in a CDC publication from last summer that I keep seeing quoted as the sole basis for the claim (E.g. I see that your link is another example of this exact same thing). It only takes a little digging into that CDC publication in question and reading that quote in context with some critical thinking to see that using it to support the claim that the SARS COV2 virus has never been isolated is bunk.

I also have never seen any scientists promoting it as influenza. Trump did, as a joke. But that's about as much of an official source for that as I recall ever seeing. And that too is a separate claim from the claim that the virus hasn't been isolated.
 
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Invisible Man said:
Those are a lot of separate claims. Suppose it was a lab produced bio-weapon. That wouldn't prevent it from being isolated. I don't see how "ownership issues" would prevent it from being isolated.

I keep seeing people repeat the claim that it hasn't been isolated. But when I look for the basis of that claim I can't find anything. A simple internet search turns up countless journal articles by scientists writing about isolates of the SARS COV2 virus, describing the methods used to isolate it and documenting it, sometimes with photographs. I can't find anybody interacting with these specific claims and accusing them of being liars, or saying that others tried to reproduce what they had done and disproved it. I can't even find anybody who has any level of expertise in the field who even disputes that the virus has been isolated. The only people I can find who claim that are lay people who are either just repeating it because someone else said it, or who misinterpreted a line in a CDC publication from last summer that I keep seeing quoted as the sole basis for the claim (E.g. I see that your link is another example of this exact same thing). It only takes a little digging into that CDC publication in question and reading that quote in context with some critical thinking to see that using it to support the claim that the SARS COV2 virus has never been isolated is bunk.

I also have never seen any scientists promoting it as influenza. Trump did, as a joke. But that's about as much of an official source for that as I recall ever seeing. And that too is a separate claim from the claim that the virus hasn't been isolated.
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Show me anywhere,,any published scientific study that has Isolated Covid-19..

Anything other than Media "He said She said".

oh,, and Intellectual Property is an Issue,,for either Profit or Prosecution.

Test Subjects are Genetically Modified.. and become Intelectual Property rather than Natural Persons..
 
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Invisible Man said:
Did you ever actually try looking for these yourself prior to asserting that the virus had never been isolated? Because these were easy to find.
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Did you..?
None of those are Studies,,,as you would know if you read that first word.. Abstract

It is a Supposition..

The first 12 people died in the SAME old Folk home here in Washington State,,
all had multiple comorbidity issues. Covid is Blamed. rather than simple Malpractice.

Guy falls off a ladder and dies from a Fatal Head Injury.. It's Covid.

My Wife caught a bug just before it all went public,,put her into pneumonia, and was on Oxygen for a while..
She has recovered...a year ago.

I take it as entirely possible that Mad scientists released a Malicious Bug on Humanity,, but in reality the bug is far less virulent than desired. so they rely on propaganda and Fear to push their Poisons.
 
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pcosmar said:
Did you..
None of those are Studies,,,as you would know if you read that first word.. Abstract

It is a Supposition..
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They are all studies. Those abstracts are abstracts of full articles (i.e. summaries of the articles). That's what an abstract is.

If you click the hypertext of the "PMCID" right above where it says "free PMCID article" it will take you to the full article.

Edit: Never mind. Here. I'll just paste those links.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239045/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7301718/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7036342/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7228321/

Those are the very same articles that the above abstracts were abstracts for.
 
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pcosmar said:
And you are a FOOL shilling and promoting the Poisoning of Humanity..

WTF is wrong with you?
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OK. So you just a few minutes ago challenged me to "Show me anywhere,,any published scientific study that has Isolated Covid-19.."

I did exactly that. And it was easy. Anybody who bothered looking would have found those and more.

And now it turns out that it doesn't matter anyway.

I'm not shilling for anyone. I'm just trying to make sure we get our facts straight. No matter what your opinion is about COVID and everything related to it, you should be all for getting the facts straight. That should be something we agree on no matter what.

I never advocated for the vaccine. I never advocated for any of the government responses to COVID--far from it.

But this claim that people keep making that the virus has never been isolated is total bunk. It has no basis whatsoever, and it's easily disproven. People just keep repeating it.

If the truth is that it makes no difference to you whether or not it's ever been isolated, then just say that, instead of saying something you never had any basis for, and then challenging me to produce the evidence, and then getting mad when I provide you with exactly what you challenged me to provide.

Edit: And now I challenge you to produce one single quote from me ever saying anything that promoted "the poisoning of humanity" in any way.
 
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