So tired of hiding behind "not voting for Trump, but..."

[jllundqu]

Although I would never cast a vote for the man, I do hope he is elected for the comedic factor and to see how all the fervent trumpsters here react when he enacts his globalist, big-government, war-mongering policies. Although I imagine most of them would be getting exactly what they wanted.

Thread winner. I think this is the likely outcome. I won't vote Hillary for obvious reasons, but sure as hell not voting Trump either. I do think Trump "may" win and if he does I will love to watch all those who seriously advocate for him (as opposed to those who simply vote to stop Hillary but really don't like Trump) squirm when Trump enacts Universal Childcare, Universal Healthcare, massive debt increases and infrastructure spending, gun control AKA no fly no buy, etc etc.

I'm in the "You're just rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.... it's all going down man!" - camp. Who you vote for is meaningless. Whether Trump or Hillary wins is irrelevant... this country is screwed. The table has been set for massive economic collapse of the financial system, war, etc.

EDIT: I am showing up to vote, however. I won't vote for POTUS, but will be voting in my state's local elections, ballot measures, etc. Local is where it's at.

 

[Madison320]

I do think Trump "may" win and if he does I will love to watch all those who seriously advocate for him (as opposed to those who simply vote to stop Hillary but really don't like Trump) squirm when Trump enacts Universal Childcare, Universal Healthcare, massive debt increases and infrastructure spending, gun control AKA no fly no buy, etc etc.

Followed by the inevitable collapse of the dollar. And with Trump in charge it'll get blamed on capitalism. That's why I'm rooting for Hillary. Unfortunately I think if the election were held today Trump would win by a landslide. I think there's a lot of people who are going to vote Trump that won't admit it.

 

[undergroundrr]

Followed by the inevitable collapse of the dollar. And with Trump in charge it'll get blamed on capitalism.

This times a million. The Sanders/Stein option will be very sellable and free market libertarians will be pariahs, even though it will have nothing to do with free markets.

 

[otherone]

I do think Trump "may" win and if he does I will love to watch all those who seriously advocate for him (as opposed to those who simply vote to stop Hillary but really don't like Trump) squirm when Trump enacts Universal Childcare, Universal Healthcare, massive debt increases and infrastructure spending, gun control AKA no fly no buy, etc etc.

As long as there are less brown people, they'll be thrilled.

 

[otherone]

National sovereignty could mean anything.

It has a very specific meaning...we are all serfs to the swamp-dwellers in DC. Empowering the government to provide national security is a hell of a lot different than proclaiming it sovereign. It's the difference between liberty and shackles.

 

[undergroundrr]

Or we can just had everything back to the globalists to decide our future, I'm sure they have our best interests in mind. They worship owls, they must be wise.

Much more comfortable with globalist elite tinkering than WW3.

 

[anaconda]

Why can't my fellow Trump supporters on this site grow a spine like the man they support and come out from hiding? I see so many of you hiding behind this line "I'm not voting for Trump, but..." and every thread is nothing but support for him, almost as regularly as CPUd is posting opposition to him.

Why? What are you afraid of?

I'm voting for him. I know I can't raise funds for him here or organize rallies and stuff, but I hope it's not against the site guidelines to at least admit the truth. Why is it so hard for anyone else to admit it? Clearly many want to see Hillary defeated. Clearly many like what Trump has to say. So why the reluctance to give him your vote in November? Or are you just reluctant to admit you will?

Neither candidate approaches the litmus test for acceptability.

 

[dannno]

Much more comfortable with globalist elite tinkering than WW3.

Then perhaps you can understand why people support Trump - many believe the global elite are FAR more sinister and likely to start more wars of destruction than some random dude. I know that's my view, and I have seen far too much and done far too much research to be persuaded that globalists merely "tinker".

 

[osan]

Voting is either one of two things: worthless, or tacit approval of the system.

Third possibility: it is a pragmatic act for playing the hand you have been dealt.

 

[Ender]

Neither candidate approaches the litmus test for acceptability.

Exactly my POV.

 

[Slave Mentality]

Why can't my fellow Trump supporters on this site grow a spine like the man they support and come out from hiding? I see so many of you hiding behind this line "I'm not voting for Trump, but..." and every thread is nothing but support for him, almost as regularly as CPUd is posting opposition to him.

Why? What are you afraid of?

I'm voting for him. I know I can't raise funds for him here or organize rallies and stuff, but I hope it's not against the site guidelines to at least admit the truth. Why is it so hard for anyone else to admit it? Clearly many want to see Hillary defeated. Clearly many like what Trump has to say. So why the reluctance to give him your vote in November? Or are you just reluctant to admit you will?

Because he is a piece of shit. That's why. I hope that's honest enough for you.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

She'll probably kill more non-combatants with drones than Obama, not that her supporters care.

Easily. One use of Obama has been to turn the Dems into war apologists. Hillary would turn them into John McCain in blue ties.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

Because he is a piece of shit. That's why.

Well and succinctly put

 

[Anti Federalist]

Third possibility: it is a pragmatic act for playing the hand you have been dealt.

If you're playing a hand, you're playing the game, and that is an approval.

I'm not playing...the house always wins.

 

[Jamesiv1]

Because he is a piece of $#@!. That's why. I hope that's honest enough for you.

You might want to do some research before you embarrass yourself again.

 

[Ender]

If you're playing a hand, you're playing the game, and that is an approval.

I'm not playing...the house always wins.

Yep.

 

[TER]

If you're playing a hand, you're playing the game, and that is an approval.

I'm not playing...the house always wins.

The difference is, that in this game, whether we play our hand or not, the consequences at the end affects everyone, including those who have already folded and even those who are just sitting by and watching the game.

In this game, everyone's chips are at stake.

The question is: do we sit by and simply let the house win, or do we take a chance and play the hand we have, hoping for another chance?

I have folded before and I have just sat by and watched the game, and in the end, every time, my chips get less and less.

This time I am playing the crappy hand dealt to us because the house's hand looks even worse, and maybe, just maybe, the house burns and, taking whatever chips we have left, we can play the next round, and hope for a better draw.

Why this time? I am afraid that this round may bankrupt us once and for all, regardless if we play the hand or fold.

I understand you may disagree, and I respect that. I just want you to understand how I and other Ron Paul supporters are approaching it. It does not mean that we are against liberty or sell outs, or have lost our principals and ideals. I am not going to agree with Trump's anti-Liberty and big government plans and I'll call them out every time. Rather, it means we see the house might just be beaten this round. It means we are fighting for another day.

 

[osan]

If you're playing a hand, you're playing the game, and that is an approval.

Not necessarily. It could be a tactic for survival.

If a mugger holds me at gunpoint demanding my wallet, if I give it to him does it mean I approve of being robbed?

One might play to buy time, for example, by seating a less-evil candidate who might take longer to do a given amount of damage.

I do believe there are valid reasons for playing this game. That does not imply that I approve of it, but only that it has been foisted upon me. If I do NOT play, it can as easily be said that I approve of the crap because I made no move to countervail.

 

[CaptUSA]

The good news about this thread is that (currently) less than 15% of respondents said they were voting for Trump. That's encouraging.

And despite their posting frequency, we are only talking about 10 people, and at least one of those was joking. So, despite what it might look like to an observer, this board has not become a haven for Trump-style authoritarianism.

 

[TER]

The good news about this thread is that (currently) less than 15% of respondents said they were voting for Trump. That's encouraging.

And despite their posting frequency, we are only talking about 10 people, and at least one of those was joking. So, despite what it might look like to an observer, this board has not become a haven for Trump-style authoritarianism.

No. But it may soon be living under the authoritarianism of Hillary Clinton.