So tired of hiding behind "not voting for Trump, but..."

[TER]

That's the way I see it, if you have two mannequins to choose from, it's seriously doubtful either one of them will control the car enough to keep it from going off the cliff.

One of the mannequins is supported and controlled by the Bilderbergs and those who do demonic rituals in the red woods in California. The other mannequin is the one they are against because he is not as easily controlled. I choose the second mannequin.

 

[CPUd]

One of the mannequins is supported by the Bilderbergs and those who do demonic rituals in the red woods in California. The other mannequin is the one they are against because he is not as easily controlled. I choose the second mannequin.

Well they got him nominated, so they are comfortable with him on some level.

 

[LibertyEagle]

That's the way I see it, if you have two mannequins to choose from, it's seriously doubtful either one of them will control the car enough to keep it from going off the cliff.

May be. But, you have one sure thing named Hilary. You know without a doubt she will run you smooth off the cliff. With Trump, there is a chance he may not, or not completely run us off it during his time in office; thereby giving us more time to get our act together locally and state-wide.

 

[TER]

Well they got him nominated, so they are comfortable with him on some level.

I doubt that the plan was for him to become president. It's seems to me that he was a distraction and joke that they used (probably to stop the likes of Rand Paul) and now it is blowing up in their face.

 

[TER]

May be. But, you have one sure thing named Hilary. You know without a doubt she will run you smooth off the cliff. With Trump, there is a chance he may not, or not completely run us off it during his time in office; thereby giving us more time to get our act together locally and state-wide.

You get what I am talking about. This is not 2008 or 2012. Things are worse than they have ever been. The US is no longer the lone superpower with goodwill around the world. It is about to be overun in every branch by those who have no sympathy for the average citizen and the traditions which made this nation great and WW3 is a stupid mistake away from starting (if indeed, it hasn't already started).

 

[undergroundrr]

You get what I am talking about. This is not 2008 or 2012. Things are worse than they have ever been. The US is no longer the lone superpower with goodwill around the world. It is about to be overun in every branch by those who have no sympathy for the average citizen and the traditions which made this nation great and WW3 is a stupid mistake away from starting (if indeed, it hasn't already started).

WW3 is absolutely my biggest concern with trump. Tariffs + fomenting religious and racial intolerance + belligerent rhetoric + general ignorance of world affairs is a bad formula for an unstable world.

 

[TER]

WW3 is absolutely my biggest concern with trump. Tariffs + fomenting religious and racial intolerance + belligerent rhetoric + general ignorance of world affairs is a bad formula for an unstable world.

We disagree. Hillary will get us there much faster.

 

[PierzStyx]

Perhaps there are more Hillary-haters and Trump-haters here than there are "supporters" of either of them.

Your poll is about the actual voting. That could depend upon the State...

Paul says stopping Hillary Clinton is reason to vote for Donald Trump

RAND Paul. But then he is just trying to make his naked political power grabbing justifiable to libertarians.

 

[PierzStyx]

My greatest fear has to do with the Supreme Court. It is in shambles now, but if it gets worse, this nation as we know it is done. I don't know if Trump will nominate very conservative justices, but I have to believe that they will be more conservative than those Hillary would pick. Another 8 years of Democratic Party progressives influencing the SC I think puts the final nail in the coffin. With this topic alone, I am willing to take the chance with Trump. Whether he does what you say, is an unknown. But what is known is that Hillary hits the pedal right towards the cliff. In this stage of my life, and the responsibilities I have over those who depend on me, I will do what I can to stop this, and the best tool I have available is Trump.

You say "Conservative" a sif it were better in any way whatsoever. Do you not remember that it was a conservative President that signed the Patriot Act, that began the endless War on Terrorism, that tortured people, that began spying on the public, and so much more? Do you not remembe rthat John "Obamacare isn't a tax and is legal" Roberts was a conservative appointee?

Conservative, Democrat, Left or Alt. Left, they're all just as bad.

 

[CaptUSA]

WW3 is absolutely my biggest concern with trump. Tariffs + fomenting religious and racial intolerance + belligerent rhetoric + general ignorance of world affairs is a bad formula for an unstable world.

I've read enough history books to know how it turns out when you mix unbridled nationalism with tariffs, trade wars, increased militaries, increased police states, and "otherism". But beyond that, I think that if TPTB allow Trump to take the wheel, it's because they know the car is already going over the cliff and they want a patsy to pin it on. And if this thing is going down, I certainly don't want it to happen when a big government guy is at the wheel. The aftermath will be extremely harsh.

 

[TER]

You say "Conservative" a sif it were better in any way whatsoever. Do you not remember that it was a conservative President that signed the Patriot Act, that began the endless War on Terrorism, that tortured people, that began spying on the public, and so much more? Do you not remembe rthat John "Obamacare isn't a tax and is legal" Roberts was a conservative appointee?

Conservative, Democrat, Left or Alt. Left, they're all just as bad.

I don't ignore the fact that people, especially in politics, do not practice what they preach and that in the past few decades in Washington, the line between left and right amongst the leaders are often blurred (different side of the same coin), especially in foreign policy and domestic policy matters.

What Justice Roberts did was a slap in the face to all conservatives. Overall, though, his voting record was much better than ones the left have nominated. Same is true for those Justices who have been hailed as true conservatives. Are they perfect, no, but I still take them over those Justices who are militant progressive liberals.

Between Hillary and Trump, I think there is a much greater chance that he will nominate more conservative judges compared to her. Perhaps even a Judge Napolitano. With her, there is no chance at all. I'll take a small chance over a no chance.

 

[dannno]

WW3 is absolutely my biggest concern with trump. Tariffs + fomenting religious and racial intolerance + belligerent rhetoric + general ignorance of world affairs is a bad formula for an unstable world.

Or we can just had everything back to the globalists to decide our future, I'm sure they have our best interests in mind. They worship owls, they must be wise.

 

[TER]

Or we can just had everything back to the globalists to decide our future, I'm sure they have our best interests in mind. They worship owls, they must be wise.

Right.

And let's not forget that it was under Obama when race relations worsened to what they are now. This idea that Hillary will be better for race relations is a complete farce. She will continue the policies which have made minorities dependent on the government and slaves to the machine, and will continue to foment racial discord for political gain.

 

[Madison320]

Johnson is better on some things and Trump is better on some. But, my line in the sand is our national sovereignty and Trump is much better on that. I think the Trans Pacific Partnership will be the last nail in our coffin. That is how strongly I feel about it. Johnson said he'd sign it and Trump said he wouldn't. Trump is against international ruling bodies about our own Congress and ceding our sovereignty thusly (or so he says) and Johnson is not. It's as simple as that for me.

I guess we need to define better. To me better means more individual liberty and limited constitutional government. National sovereignty could mean anything. Trump wants to build a wall, increase government spending, raise the minimum wage, continue the war on drugs, etc, etc.

 

[KEEF]

Not so sure about that. Recent polls show that what previously seemed a certainty is increasingly an open question, a close call. Furthermore, the Teamsters are not endorsing, they're staying neutral, for the first time since... maybe ever.

Hmmm, I did not know that. Thanks.

 

[H. E. Panqui]

Although I would never cast a vote for the man, I do hope he is elected for the comedic factor and to see how all the fervent trumpsters here react when he enacts his globalist, big-government, war-mongering policies. Although I imagine most of them would be getting exactly what they wanted.

...it is my opinion that if trump had a 'd' after his name and hillary an 'r' and they had both said the same things they've said...any democrat hillarytard fans here would be sucking for trump and the republican trumptards here would find a twisted reason to vote for hillary...word...

...stinking. republicrats. all.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Not afraid of anything, I'm not voting at all in this election or any other for the foreseeable future because I have some massive hangups about the U.S. Constitution and its enmity with the Christian religion. You might call me a Trump supporter simply because I think he's the least terrible of the people running for office, and I might even go so far as to encourage those who are going to vote to vote for him, but my stance on not voting is a matter of general principle, not one of being afraid of what loud-mouths like Joe Rogan and Gary Johnson's other various social-libertine stormtroopers think of me.

I would like to add that if there is a poll asking whether or not one will vote for Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, or anyone else, I will likewise vote no.

 

[Rad]

Did I miss anything?

I voted no. I'm not voting for President. My options are restricted. You'll never explain away Mike Pence in a positive manner. Its not possible. Trump had 300 million Americans to choose from and he picked Mike Pence. Pence is not a Paleocon: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/15/pence-s-love-affair-with-immigration-reform.html

We have either 4 years of comedy with Trump or 4 years of watching the deterioration of a woman whose health is failing. Trump understands the Republican base. He out pied pipered the Neocon's puppets which is a feat in of its self and two game playing brown nosers. I'm against binge drinking so I will not propose we start a drinking game based on Hillary's health issues.

 

[John F Kennedy III]

Right.

And let's not forget that it was under Obama when race relations worsened to what they are now. This idea that Hillary will be better for race relations is a complete farce. She will continue the policies which have made minorities dependent on the government and slaves to the machine, and will continue to foment racial discord for political gain.

Under Hillary the divide between the sexes will widen as much as the divide between the races has under Obama.

 

[hells_unicorn]

Under Hillary the divide between the sexes will widen as much as the divide between the races has under Obama.

She'll probably kill more non-combatants with drones than Obama, not that her supporters care.