So now what?

[coffeewithchess]

I think we've gone full circle back to the mystery billionaire.

Well, Peter Thiel just made about a billion off of Facebook...

 

[angelatc]

I've specifically on multiple occasions heard him say we need people working within all the parties, that this is an American message, not just a GOP message.

Most here will likely work in the GOP because Ron is a Republican and we are. But others who work in other ways are welcome too.

I'm not sure why you're suddenly convinced a multitude of different strategies are a wonderful thing, especially when the big supporters of those strategies seem to have a hard time NOT posting crap accusing us of being "GOP apologists" and starting threads encouraging us to "Leave The GOP NOW!!!!" Again, for months were were told to toe a line, and now it's ok to trash the people who are following the plans that Ron Paul laid out for us?

There's no way the movement can sustain itself without a cohesive strategy. For example, take PaulFest. People had a freaking stroke when the PAC merely accepted a donation from the LP.

These people who are not really ready to work with each other in the same party are not going to fare any better when they start bitching about each other's agenda.

 

[sailingaway]

Oh, I think Ron and Rand do communicate, and Ron knew about Rand's endorsement before it happened just as Rand said, which is why the campaign asking for more money after that and Ron Paul's official campaign website being used to defend Rand's endorsement was dishonest. The fact they stayed in the race and kept raising/asking for money misleading donors they were serious about winning, doesn't bode well for Ron or Rand.

I read the tea leaves differently, but I know you think Hunter defending Rand means Ron was on board in advance. I think he was notified just in advance, not consulted, and we can discuss it in pms sometime if you like, because I know it matters to you just as it does to me, but the forums have been over and over that and I don't want to turn this into another thread about it.

 

[Michigan11]

And there are plenty more who agree there are many unanswered questions...I know because I get +repped on my comments by people who I don't see posting. I think it's shabby that some of you are questioning the moderator and basically trying to take over the forum.

Well get your questions out there then.... Let's get past these neg posts and move on, I like Sailingaway but I will disagree with how it's run but not often. But right now yes this is getting ridiculous isn't it?

 

[Carlybee]

I'm out for the night. For future reference I have added Bastiat's the Law, Angeltc and Michigan11 to my ignore list. I won't tolerate this authoritarian "my way or the highway" bullcrap. I've dedicated my time and money to Ron Paul 2012 and I deserve to be here and speak my opinion. If it is so threatening to others then maybe they need to reexamine their own commitment to the cause.

Liberty: The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life.

 

[sailingaway]

I'm not sure why you're suddenly convinced a multitude of different strategies are a wonderful thing, especially when the big supporters of those strategies seem to have a hard time NOT posting crap accusing us of being "GOP apologists" and starting threads encouraging us to "Leave The GOP NOW!!!!" Again, for months were were told to toe a line, and now it's ok to trash the people who are following the plans that Ron Paul laid out for us?

There's no way the movement can sustain itself without a cohesive strategy. For example, take PaulFest. People had a freaking stroke when the PAC merely accepted a donation from the LP.

These people who are not really ready to work with each other in the same party are not going to fare any better when they start bitching about each other's agenda.

I think they shouldn't call people GOP appologists also. I was giving some leeway because they seemed to be being hounded by people not as emotionally invested n Ron's campaign, and I know they are upset about the RNC developments now. That doesn't apply to saying things like that to you, because you were immensely involved in Ron's campaign and Ron's efforts and are not too happy yourself right now.

I feel like saying something like "I wish we were just kinder to eachother' so I must be getting tired, or something. All the same, I do wish it.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

this is not 'the central forum' it is the Ron Paul 2012 grass roots forum. Before Ron ran it wasn't up here. It was created for the campaign, and for Ron. It is central in that it is the most popular but that doesn't mean it is a different purposed forum.

General politics can be used for general matters. 2012 candidates can be used for all things 2012 candidates related including grass roots projects. If it gets more popular, I am sure subforums will be added. But you can't come where people are on one message and just say 'look at all the people here, lets make this forum about something else'.

Actually Grassroots Central has always been the main forum people posted in.

 

[sailingaway]

Actually Grassroots Central has always been the main forum people posted in.

In 2010 when I joined it wasn't. If you haven't been here much since 2008 the old one might have been, but in between presidential campaigns, General Politics was.

There have been a handful of times already where it has more people than grassroots, as the campaign winds down.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Well, Peter Thiel just made about a billion off of Facebook...

I like Peter Thiel. He should've gotten out sooner though. Wouldn't be surprised to see Facebook go into the single digits.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I read the tea leaves differently, but I know you think Hunter defending Rand means Ron was on board in advance. I think he was notified just in advance, not consulted, and we can discuss it in pms sometime if you like, because I know it matters to you just as it does to me, but the forums have been over and over that and I don't want to turn this into another thread about it.

I'm ready and willing to take this to a conference call at the moment.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I'm out for the night. For future reference I have added Bastiat's the Law, Angeltc and Michigan11 to my ignore list. I won't tolerate this authoritarian "my way or the highway" bullcrap. I've dedicated my time and money to Ron Paul 2012 and I deserve to be here and speak my opinion. If it is so threatening to others then maybe they need to reexamine their own commitment to the cause.

Liberty: The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life.

Care to prove that? You don't seem to like any Paul supporter I've ever come across in person.

 

[anaconda]

But he won't. Rand is too tied in to the GOP now. He won't jeopardize that even though he wasn't shown the same courtesy.

Just a humble opinion, but I don't think Rand gains much by "playing nice." My prediction is that the PTB will run roughshod over him in 2015-2016 in a similar manner to which they treated Ron in 2011-2012. Maybe even worse. I don't think anyone will hold him accountable for Ron's actions.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Rand will be crucified by the Republican Party and the media starting in 2015, the same as Ron has been. This is an issue that I believe is widely misunderstood. It will do no one any good to "play nice" on behalf of Rand. The powers that be will not let Rand near the oval office. There is nothing "in jeopardy" that will not be by playing nice.

Define "near the oval office" and we can bet on it.

 

[anaconda]

Define "near the oval office" and we can bet on it.

I think the puppet masters are horrified at the thought of a Rand Paul presidency and will pull out all of the stops to derail him.

 

[coffeewithchess]

I like Peter Thiel. He should've gotten out sooner though. Wouldn't be surprised to see Facebook go into the single digits.

LOL, sooner? Is that a joke?

 

[LibertyRevolution]

I like Peter Thiel. He should've gotten out sooner though. Wouldn't be surprised to see Facebook go into the single digits.

He got out as soon as it was legally possible. He set the date before the IPO. The forced him to hold it this long...

Facebook stock will be worthless once people realize they are the product that is being sold. Then maybe more will stop using it.

 

[LibertyEagle]

this is not 'the central forum' it is the Ron Paul 2012 grass roots forum. Before Ron ran it wasn't up here. It was created for the campaign, and for Ron. It is central in that it is the most popular but that doesn't mean it is a different purposed forum.

General politics can be used for general matters. 2012 candidates can be used for all things 2012 candidates related including grass roots projects. If it gets more popular, I am sure subforums will be added. But you can't come where people are on one message and just say 'look at all the people here, lets make this forum about something else'.

Sailing, the Ron Paul Forums was created to support Ron Paul's run for President. The forum didn't exist before that time.

 

[Cigaboo]

Ron Paul's presidential campaigns are a worthy effort. They succeeded in awakening thousands, and exposed the corruption present in the political parties and media. The strategy to win the election failed, but we continue to gain from it in other ways.

My concern is that our efforts for peaceful revolution have been an irritation for tyranny, but have not stopped or reversed it. Some argue that we expect too much from only 8 years of our movement. However, the majority of people I've spoken with about our Liberty ideals either don't care or oppose them. I have also noticing a sharp increase in Socialist idealogy in the general public that blaims our economic failures on Capitalism. If we can't sway the majority of Americans to our way of thinking, even with Ron Paul's appearances in debates, interviews, and followers reaching out to the general public, with such a positive and rational message, what hope is there for total reform of the political system? Will we always be a loud but ineffective minority?

Not that I'm advocating it (war is a terrible thing), but will the day come where a line is crossed in our liberties where bloodshed becomes the only defense? Or will the system collapse on its own due to economic failure, presenting an opportunity for reform?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I think the puppet masters are horrified at the thought of a Ran Paul presidency and will pull out all of the stops to derail him.

Oh people will come gunning from all angles, but I think Rand can fight them off.

 

[sailingaway]

Sailing, the Ron Paul Forums was created to support Ron Paul's run for President. The forum didn't exist before that time.

In 2008, yeah, but the corresponding forum from then is in archives. I'm talking about the particular subforum created for Ron's 2012 run, as opposed to, for example, 2012 candidates, or General Politics.