So now what?

[cajuncocoa]

The only harassment I see is the constant stream of negativity from you and Carlybee. You said your piece. You hate Ron Paul's plan to reform the GOP so move on. The people here are going to keep working for what Ron Paul envisioned.

So work for it, no one is stopping you. But just like a typical GOP operative, you cannot stand dissent...you intend to squash it instead.

 

[Carlybee]

The only harassment I see is the constant stream of negativity from you and Carlybee. You said your piece. You hate Ron Paul's plan to reform the GOP so move on. The people here are going to keep working for what Ron Paul envisioned.

And you keep putting words in everyone's mouth. Who died and put you in charge or made you the mouthpiece for Ron Paul and his intentions?

 

[angelatc]

I am not mad at you about being depressed at all so you know. I know you are better than spreading this long face around however, and that is why I called you out on it. I am no better or wise than you, by making this statement, but we, you and I are both in this movement for the same reasons - liberty and freedom. I was too after 08', thats how I know you are and many in here are. I understand completely. I hope you know many of us are still moving forward locally, and donating nationally, I know you don't want to discourage that. Either way, I am patient and understand completely and am definitely thankful for everything you have done. Don't think any of us forget what you have done. You're a patriot.

I think you're on to something there. I was devastated in 2007, when the first primary results came in and we got....essentially nothing. But two years ago we did better, and this year we did even better again.

 

[sailingaway]

Ron Paul told advised us to work within the GOP.

This is Ron Paul forums.

This is not the "It's not necessary to work in the GOP" forums.

He said why HE worked within the GOP, he advised people to work in all parties, and in education etc.

I suspect working in the GOP is going to make up most of the grass roots projects, because this is a largely political forum, however, go to the list of subforums. It is NOT ONLY about working in the GOP and some forum members may not want to, yet may add quite a bit to the forums.

Right now people who had their hearts in Ron's campaign as you have NOT, are feeling badly and it is a bad time to hound them, which frankly, I think you shouldn't do. Persuade, yes, bully, no.

They shouldn't just take pot shots at your efforts but they absolutely are allowed to have discussions about where they personally want to work for liberty without agreeing with your direction.

 

[angelatc]

"...we need to double our efforts."
I disagree. "we" just needed a candidate/campaign that was serious about winning, unfortunately, we didn't have that. If anything, the grassroots could probably use a good break, pitch ideas around, and figure out how to come together in a different method to "advance the message".

I'm not interested in education anybody. I want to be involved with electoral politics, because that's how elections are won. At least, that's what Ron Paul told me.

 

[angelatc]

He said why HE worked within the GOP, he advised people to work in all parties, and in education etc.

I suspect working in the GOP is going to make up most of the grass roots projects, because this is a largely political forum, however, go to the list of subforums. It is NOT ONLY about working in the GOP and some forum members may not want to, yet may add quite a bit to the forums.

Right now people who had their hearts in Ron's campaign as you have NOT, are feeling badly and it is a bad time to hound them, which frankly, I think you shouldn't do. Persuade, yes, bully, no.

Ron Paul said that third parties are a waste of time and money.

 

[coffeewithchess]

I'm not interested in education anybody. I want to be involved with electoral politics, because that's how elections are won. At least, that's what Ron Paul told me.

Can you provide the Ron Paul quote you are talking about? And yes, winning is the goal, which wasn't the goal for the Ron Paul campaign unfortunately...

 

[LibertyRevolution]

Ron Paul said that third parties are a waste of time and money.

And that is why he endorsed one in 2008?...

This is what Ron Paul told us:


So STOP putting words in his mouth!

 

[sailingaway]

Ron Paul said that third parties are a waste of time and money.

I don't know everything he said but he endorsed someone in a third party last time, and he said these ideas had to be in all parties. I'm not pitching for a third party as things stand, we'd have to change the process to make it work first, if we went that route. However, that is MY opinion, and no one died to make me God and decide how everyone else should work for liberty.

In different contexts he has said different things, but he has generally said OTHERS should do what they want. He has said that over and over, speaking of journalists, teachers, and working in all parties. He has opinions on what he will do, of course. And a lot of people who feel no urge to work in the GOP will feel significant urge to help Ron Paul with his projects. Give people room and time to come to their own conclusions, is all.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

And the moderator has already called him out on it, yet he persists.

FYI Bastiat...this is a privately owned forum. It is not owned by Ron Paul, but inspired by Ron Paul.
We are ALL part of the grassroots. Most ALL of us have contributed time and money toward Ron Paul's run. And this forum was intended for the Ron Paul campaign..not the Rand Paul campaign, or any other candidate campaign. There are separate forums for those. We are posting in the correct forum, being members of the grassroots, and we have every right to discuss, bitch about or whatever about the recent turn of events affecting the Ron Paul for President campaign.

I think everyone can agree that "bitching" should go to The Vent subforum. The vast majority of your posts and cocoa's belong there.

 

[angelatc]

Can you provide the Ron Paul quote you are talking about? .

No, because it's something Ron Paul literally told me in a handshake line in Chicago 5 years ago.

 

[angelatc]

I don't know everything he said but he endorsed someone in a third party last time, and he said these ideas had to be in all parties. I'm not pitching for a third party as things stand, we'd have to change the process to make it work first, if we went that route. However, that is MY opinion, and no one died to make me God and decide how everyone else should work for liberty.

In different contexts he has said different things, but he has generally said OTHERS should do what they want. He has said that over and over, speaking of journalists, teachers, and working in all parties. He has opinions on what he will do, of course. And a lot of people who feel no urge to work in the GOP will feel significant urge to help Ron Paul with his projects. Give people room and time to come to their own conclusions, is all.

That's fine. But it's absurd to let them pretend that anything significant is going to come from those efforts. The system is stacked, hard, for the two major parties. The LP is the most successful third party around today, and the best they've ever done is about 1%, and that was the year they ran a Koch brother on the ticket. Spinning wheels on those venues gets us nothing but burned out. Spinning wheels in the GOP gets us elected.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

So work for it, no one is stopping you. But just like a typical GOP operative, you cannot stand dissent...you intend to squash it instead.

I already am. I take you to the woodshed every time you attack Ron Paul's plan. The members here are much more in line with Ron Paul's plan than your none no-plan.

 

[coffeewithchess]

I think everyone can agree that "bitching" should go to The Vent subforum. The vast majority of your posts and cocoa's belong there.

What do you disagree with in their posts? They seem to be stating legitimate concerns/disagreements with the campaign, and the way events have unfolded. If I don't agree with something, that doesn't mean it's negative, or complaining, it may mean we interpret the results differently.

As for a mod telling people to not call others names, I found that personally hilarious based on my own history around here...having comments/threads moved (and deleted) and being cursed at/name-called by other forum users...which the very same moderator left their comments in the thread while moving my comments out which did not attack other RPF members.

Kind of interesting how things change...

 

[Carlybee]

I don't recall him ever saying that about a third party. I know he didn't want to run third party because he has spent so much of his life in the GOP. And that is understandable, plus the fact that when he began this run he was still serving his congressional seat concurrently. Yes he wants to reform the GOP, bring it back to what he believes it's roots are and it is/was an admirable cause. Unfortunately the GOP has proven that they will stop at nothing to prevent that from happening, even resorting to violence and frankly I believe they wouldn't hesitate to use military force if it came down to any sort of threat they felt they could not handle through their noral M.O. of lying and cheating. Now if that makes me sound bitter or negative, sorry. If someone can tell me that none of those events actually happened, and that the delegates that were won were not totally disenfranchised making his nomination a complete impossibility, then speak up now and tell me how I am wrong and how things are going to be so much better going forward.

 

[cajuncocoa]

I don't know everything he said but he endorsed someone in a third party last time, and he said these ideas had to be in all parties. I'm not pitching for a third party as things stand, we'd have to change the process to make it work first, if we went that route. However, that is MY opinion, and no one died to make me God and decide how everyone else should work for liberty.

In different contexts he has said different things, but he has generally said OTHERS should do what they want. He has said that over and over, speaking of journalists, teachers, and working in all parties. He has opinions on what he will do, of course. And a lot of people who feel no urge to work in the GOP will feel significant urge to help Ron Paul with his projects. Give people room and time to come to their own conclusions, is all.

Well stated, and 100% true.

 

[Carlybee]

I think everyone can agree that "bitching" should go to The Vent subforum. The vast majority of your posts and cocoa's belong there.

And the vast majority of yours belong in the Rand Paul sub-forum.

 

[angelatc]

I already am. I take you to the woodshed every time you attack Ron Paul's plan. The members here are much more in line with Ron Paul's plan than your none no-plan.

Be careful - cc's been on my ignore list for about as long as it's been a member, and I'm putting its twin, CB, on that list too. Some people aren't worth the effort.

 

[Michigan11]

And the vast majority of yours belong in the Rand Paul sub-forum.

Cause Rand is? a neo-con?

Ron's own son? Did you even help elect Rand? If not where do you come from in your argument?

 

[Carlybee]

Spinning wheels in the GOP gets us elected.

Apparently gets the delegates disenfranchised as well.