So now what?

[Bastiat's The Law]

What do you disagree with in their posts? They seem to be stating legitimate concerns/disagreements with the campaign, and the way events have unfolded. If I don't agree with something, that doesn't mean it's negative, or complaining, it may mean we interpret the results differently.

As for a mod telling people to not call others names, I found that personally hilarious based on my own history around here...having comments/threads moved (and deleted) and being cursed at/name-called by other forum users...which the very same moderator left their comments in the thread while moving my comments out which did not attack other RPF members.

Kind of interesting how things change...

Because its blatantly obvious its not genuine. They just want to stir the pot of dissent. Call them plants, call them trolls, call them saboteurs. I'll be damned if I see a legitimate forum member like Sematary used as their foil and beaten into disillusionment. They've been doing this for months, not just the past few days like they claim.

You should be asking them why they're still here if they hate Ron Paul's plan so much and already voiced their opinions on the matter. What keeps them here besides wanting to sow the seeds of dissent and disillusionment?

 

[Michigan11]

Sorry I respect your opinion, but it will take me a while to get over Rand endorsing Romney the way he did. I feel protective toward his dad even if he doesn't himself. Ultimately Rand is in bed with the devil. Maybe he feels that he can handle it, I don't know but the GOP is owned by the MIC and the Banking industry (amongst others). As long as that is the case, liberty will not win a place in the GOP. I agree that there should be more liberty minded people in office in both parties but really I wish both parties at this point would just crash and burn. I want nothing to do with either of them. I think they are going to screw Rand over too just because of who his dad is. I really wish I didn't feel this way but I do and I am generally right when I get these kind of vibes.

Don't take my word or anyone's word for it. Just watch and listen for yourself. Too many back then were thinking Ron was a dummy, he is not. Ron knows politics, and knew he had to talk the talk, but Rand is much more sophisticated and has the means to actually win and put into effect what Ron wanted to. If you think Ron needs protecting from his own son, you need to think about that. Rand is more advanced looking and calculating, because his father burned the path for him.

 

[Carlybee]

That is why the LP and the CP need to join and form the Liberty party...

It's a thought. The reason the Dems think Romney is going to win is because they think the election was stolen from Gore by Bush and they are envisioning those hanging chads. No one really trusts the vote counting system. There was a whole website devoted to the black boxes as I recall.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Be careful - cc's been on my ignore list for about as long as it's been a member, and I'm putting its twin, CB, on that list too. Some people aren't worth the effort.

I considered that, but I enjoy taking out the garbage.

 

[sailingaway]

You commented within the very same thread, you saw it, and if I were to post it up here...it would be moved.

I don't read every post when I post in a thread, either. Often I go to the end, or start where someone reported something. But honestly, sometimes I feel you were out of line, particularly when others were trying to get things done, and then the repetition will cause me to act on what may not be the worst post.

I did make allowances for the fact that I consider you sincere and knew you were upset. We WANT people to be passionate about this -- at least, I do.

 

[LibertyRevolution]

So Sematary, did you think this thread was gonna hit 500 posts within 24 hours when you started it?

Good job! This thread is a great time killer.

+1post

 

[Carlybee]

Because its blatantly obvious its not genuine. They just want to stir the pot of dissent. Call them plants, call them trolls, call them saboteurs. I'll be damned if I see a legitimate forum member like Sematary used as their foil and beaten into disillusionment. They've been doing this for months, not just the past few days like they claim.

You should be asking them why they're still here if they hate Ron Paul's plan so much and already voiced their opinions on the matter. What keeps them here besides wanting to sow the seeds of dissent and disillusionment?

What kind of sheep do you think your fellow members here are that they would be SO influenced by a few dissenting voices on a message forum. Piss off.

 

[coffeewithchess]

There is nothing wrong with pushing Ron's own son Rand in Ron's forum. Those of us around in 2010 called and donated alot to get him elected, and hoped he would succeed as he has, and he has learned from Ron. Contrary to what you may read, Rand is more politically savvy, because Ron paved the way for people like Rand to get into office, when there were no liberty candidates in congress besides Ron.

Ron wants more Rands in office.

I'm sorry, but there is more that I have seen that shows Rand Paul is not politically savvy, than that he is...
He needs a new PR person ASAP, or just common political sense.

 

[sailingaway]

I considered that, but I enjoy taking out the garbage.

comments like that will get you a vacation.

 

[Carlybee]

Don't take my word or anyone's word for it. Just watch and listen for yourself. Too many back then were thinking Ron was a dummy, he is not. Ron knows politics, and knew he had to talk the talk, but Rand is much more sophisticated and has the means to actually win and put into effect what Ron wanted to. If you think Ron needs protecting from his own son, you need to think about that. Rand is more advanced looking and calculating, because his father burned the path for him.

We may have to agree to disagree. I do not think Rand is his dad and enough said about that. He may be better at playing the political game but no one will ever be Ron Paul. And sorry but yes I do think Ron needed to be protected from his own campaign, or factions within it that may have led to Rand endorsing his dad's own opponent. I'm trying to be polite here.

 

[Michigan11]

I'm sorry, but there is more that I have seen that shows Rand Paul is not politically savvy, than that he is...
He needs a new PR person ASAP, or just common political sense.

Then you should try looking at him with different glasses, or a new perspective. If you want to hear Rand or other liberty candidates talk like Ron then you are missing the picture. You may want to look into other avenues...

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Then why spend so much time and insults over the posts of two people who won't do anything significant according to you and your ilk? Go watch a movie or something and chill.

We never actually confirmed you're two people. You could be Kokesh's subconscious for all we know

 

[sailingaway]

Because its blatantly obvious its not genuine. They just want to stir the pot of dissent. Call them plants, call them trolls, call them saboteurs. I'll be damned if I see a legitimate forum member like Sematary used as their foil and beaten into disillusionment. They've been doing this for months, not just the past few days like they claim.

You should be asking them why they're still here if they hate Ron Paul's plan so much and already voiced their opinions on the matter. What keeps them here besides wanting to sow the seeds of dissent and disillusionment?

Ron Paul doesn't have just one plan and you really shouldn't pretend he does. He doesn't order people around like you do.

 

[sailingaway]

Then you should try looking at him with different glasses, or a new perspective. If you want to hear Rand or other liberty candidates talk like Ron then you are missing the picture. You may want to look into other avenues...

he can also have his opinion which is different from yours. That is fine, too.

 

[Peace&Freedom]

That's fine. But it's absurd to let them pretend that anything significant is going to come from those efforts. The system is stacked, hard, for the two major parties. The LP is the most successful third party around today, and the best they've ever done is about 1%, and that was the year they ran a Koch brother on the ticket. Spinning wheels on those venues gets us nothing but burned out. Spinning wheels in the GOP gets us elected.

Yet many have come to realize the absurdity of nothing significant coming from within-the-GOP efforts LEGISLATIVELY, as the policy of more government, more foreign intervention and more debt has continued without a break for decades. Winning elections is a moot victory if nothing ever changes. That is also wheel spinning, that has burned out many of us as well. So it's a wash, but at least we agree a lot of wheel spinning is going on.

 

[Carlybee]

We never actually confirmed you're two people. You could be Kokesh's subconscious for all we know

You are just baiting at this point.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Then you should try looking at him with different glasses, or a new perspective. If you want to hear Rand or other liberty candidates talk like Ron then you are missing the picture. You may want to look into other avenues...

I don't want them to talk like Ron, perhaps you missed my thread started to help RP with one-liners? Rand's endorsement of Mitt Romney is probably the best example of why he is not politically savvy.

 

[angelatc]

Money is the key. If we had a Ross Perot, it could rock things like crazy. That's the big issue most here seem to be missing though.

Agree 100%. A candidate with a strong personality and deep pockets could indeed have shaken things up this year. But the GOP & DNC tightened up the rules after Perot almost embarrassed them. At this point, I just don't think a candidate could even get in the debates, much less develop effective strategies and recruit staff in time.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

If you think Ron and Rand never communicate, or that Ron is politically insufficient, and he would rather have everyone do as he does, you aren't seeing the play going on. Politics, is a 3 dimensional chess board, and Ron knows damn well what Rand is doing and vice versa. This isn't anything new. Both are fully for freedom and liberty

In less colorful language...there's more than one way to skin a cat!

 

[angelatc]

I don't want them to talk like Ron, perhaps you missed my thread started to help RP with one-liners? Rand's endorsement of Mitt Romney is probably the best example of why he is not politically savvy.

Meh - the campaign has never really had much use for us. It's not really surprising that they never stopped to consider our thoughts on the matter.