So now what?

[FSP-Rebel]

My apologies. Yes, Romney has hired his own Nevada team to do his campaigning, but we control the official state party. That means we can nominate candidates for state level and congressional positions, endorse candidates and has access to the largest lists of republicans of any list. We also nominate 2 representatives to the RNC.

Most of the affects of which will be noticed going forward not the instant gratification needed by some around here.

 

[gte811i]

You have more strength than me brother!

Me... I'm thinking land, with a stream, in mountains, in TN.
No state income tax on wages or pensions, property taxed at 4% of assessed value with a low mil rate.
I'm going to find my apathy and live out my days where I wont be bothered by the collapse of society that is coming.

I hear you man. All I've ever wanted is just to live my life in peace and tranquility with my family. Buy a place and make my stand.

Unfortunately, economics and politics pervades everything. With no liberty lovers fighting for it how long until TN has state income taxes or how long until property taxes go up?

 

[coffeewithchess]

We only gained 10,000% over our delegate totals from 2008. To any unbiased observer those are off the chart gains made by our movement, not including all the other gains we've made that were already pointed out at the local, state, House, and Senate level. Why throw it all away and do nothing, none of the naysayers have provided any viable alternative. If we grow our delegation by a simple 200% we're a major player, 300% and we're in the drivers seat in 2016.

If the rational argument doesn't work, there's always the moral one. This is what Ron Paul wanted us to do.

Actually, I have provided alternatives, and even provided an example of how Rand Paul could/should have endorsed Mitt Romney without lying and dragging RP supporters into it. I provided an example of how to change one simple lines in a video, would make the message better targeted at the Republican base.
One issue when some of us around here provide examples, we are simply called things like "armchair qbs", or something similar.

As for percentage of votes gained from 2008 to 2012, Ron Paul gained fewer popular votes than Mitt Romney, and if you want to compare it to dollars spent, Ron Paul was the worst for dollars/vote I would imagine...considering he had less than Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich.

Ron Paul had 1,160,403 total votes in 2008. Ron Paul had 2,063,043 total votes in 2012. He didn't even double the number of votes. Romney received more votes in 2008, than Ron Paul did in 2008 and 2012 combined.

As for the delegates percentages how exactly did all their time/work payoff, and how did not attacking Romney, and Rand's endorsement of Romney help get Ron Paul's name into the nomination for the convention?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Excuse me, but what gives you more authority then Ron Paul to decide what our movement is about? You do realize that the OFFICIAL Ron Paul rally is centered around the idea of taking back the GOP, right? You do realize that HE has directed all of the changes that have been made by the campaign to better our GOP standing, right? If Bastiat is an outsider then Ron Paul is an outsider. Unfortunately, I think that is EXACTLY the mentality of many of these ancap/kokesh types who continue to decry the movement.

"You must spread some reputation."

 

[coffeewithchess]

Why did he endorse Bentivolio, Massie, or Amash?

The same reason he endorsed a third party presidential candidate in 2008? He agreed with their views more than the others?

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

Ron Paul endorsed a third party candidate in 2008, that is the history lesson.

Only after Barr blew him off did he side with Baldwin. He originally intended an endorsement of a protest vote of whatever third party flavor you liked best. Barr had an outside chance of capturing Ron's exclusive endorsement, but he blew it, which isn't surprising; Barr is a horrible candidate and person.

 

[Sematary]

You have more strength than me brother!

Me... I'm thinking land, with a stream, in mountains, in TN.
No state income tax on wages or pensions, property taxed at 4% of assessed value with a low mil rate.
I'm going to find my apathy and live out my days where I wont be bothered by the collapse of society that is coming.

That's as good a plan as any. Personally, I'm working on my survival skills, just in case they become necessary.

 

[paulbot24]

This video is worth watching as regards to this issue. Just play it. It's worth taking the six minutes. Especially when you're just doing meaningless updates on facebook anyway.

 

[Carlybee]

Most of the affects of which will be noticed going forward not the instant gratification needed by some around here.

It's insulting to the grassroots who gave time and money as well as the delegates to chalk up the events of the past few months as something that some only wish instant gratification for. No one expected it to be easy. But no one expected the campaign to virtually throw in the towel while the delegates were not only fighting for their lives but racking up positions and in some cases majorities in primaries and caucuses in various states. No one expected the email that Jessie Benton sent out effectively shutting down everyone's hopes of fighting to the finish, and no one expected the delegates to be cut off completely from being to nominate Ron from the floor or at the very least from being able to help secure him a speaking position. No one expected fingers to be broken, hips to be dislodged and here at the last minute, the RNC to change rules that would bring any hopes of having a national platform for the liberty message to a screeching halt. It has been made very clear that it does not matter if we control the official state parties, unless we control the national party, we are getting tossed under the bus. Unless our candidates are capable of supporting the movement 100% (yes I am referring to Rand and anyone else who endorsed or plans to endorse Romney) then they are totally at the whim of their masters...once you acquiesce, you have immediately given up your power and placed it in the hand of your opponent. It is one thing to form coalitions with regard to certain or specific bills in Congress in order to get support, it is quite another to make deals with the enemy in the middle of a campaign. THAT is not a liberty position and it is not the way to conduct a revolution in either action nor ideal. So next time you start branding everyone trolls who may see things a bit differently, maybe you should stop and think about why they see things differently and maybe those who are questioning the turn of events should ask themselves if there is a trail of power or money that needs to be investigated before they blindly attach themselves to a movement. Ask yourselves who is the one benefitting from a certain set of actions, now and going forward and how does that affect the original intention of the movement.

 

[Bastiat's The Law]

I love your enthusiasm and unbridled optimism

Thanks Sematary. I was at the place where you are now back in January. I started to get excited again seeing the new crop of liberty candidates emerge.

 

[coffeewithchess]

Only after Barr blew him off did he side with Baldwin. He originally intended an endorsement of a protest vote of whatever third party flavor you liked best. Barr had an outside chance of capturing Ron's exclusive endorsement, but he blew it, which isn't surprising; Barr is a horrible candidate and person.

Based on what? The fact Barr was on the Libertarian ticket? What "outside chance" did he have, other than being the Libertarian candidate, which RP was once himself as well? At least Baldwin was a very active RP supporter in 2008...
I'm not sure what I'm missing, other than the fact we are trying to dismiss Ron Paul endorsing a third party candidate? The fact is if RP had endorsed Bob Barr in 2008, that still would not have been John McCain............

 

[angelatc]

It's insulting to the grassroots who gave time and money as well as the delegates to chalk up the events of the past few months as something that some only wish instant gratification for. No one expected it to be easy. But no one expected the campaign to virtually throw in the towel while the delegates were not only fighting for their lives but racking up positions and in some cases majorities in primaries and caucuses in various states. No one expected the email that Jessie Benton sent out effectively shutting down everyone's hopes of fighting to the finish, and no one expected the delegates to be cut off completely from being to nominate Ron from the floor or at the very least from being able to help secure him a speaking position. No one expected fingers to be broken, hips to be dislodged and here at the last minute, the RNC to change rules that would bring any hopes of having a national platform for the liberty message to a screeching halt. It has been made very clear that it does not matter if we control the official state parties, unless we control the national party, we are getting tossed under the bus. Unless our candidates are capable of supporting the movement 100% (yes I am referring to Rand and anyone else who endorsed or plans to endorse Romney) then they are totally at the whim of their masters...once you acquiesce, you have immediately given up your power and placed it in the hand of your opponent. It is one thing to form coalitions with regard to certain or specific bills in Congress in order to get support, it is quite another to make deals with the enemy in the middle of a campaign. THAT is not a liberty position and it is not the way to conduct a revolution in either action nor ideal. So next time you start branding everyone trolls who may see things a bit differently, maybe you should stop and think about why they see things differently and maybe those who are questioning the turn of events should ask themselves if there is a trail of power or money that needs to be investigated before they blindly attach themselves to a movement. Ask yourselves who is the one benefitting from a certain set of actions, now and going forward and how does that affect the original intention of the movement.

We get it already. You're done. Bye.

 

[coffeewithchess]

We get it already. You're done. Bye.

So, what exactly did you disagree with that was said?

 

[Carlybee]

We get it already. You're done. Bye.

Fortunately that's hardly for you to decide. Your comment has been duly noted.

 

[angelatc]

So, what exactly did you disagree with that was said?

At this point, just about everything she says is just bitter. But to start with, she said that "nobody" expected any of those things, which isn't true in the least. Those of us who were here in 2007 saw them ignore the people who did just what they were supposed to last time, too.

I'm too tired to spend the evening rehashing the failings of the campaign, but I'd like to point out that if they had actually campaigned in Maine, Ron Paul probably would have won. And if he had won, his delegates would be seated. But he didn't go there, they didn't run any commercials....and when the grassroots did everything the campaign wanted them to do, they were sold out. Because this happened in LA and NV in 2007, there was no reason NOT to expect it would happen again.

Like I said earlier, I'm absolutely thrilled at the fact that there are several people in office now that I could see myself supporting all the way to the top, something that I have never experienced previously in my adult life. But I knew 5 years ago that the Ron Paul campaign wasn't the group that would lead us to victory.

 

[angelatc]

Fortunately that's hardly for you to decide. Your comment has been duly noted.

So you're not done? You're still going to support liberty candidates, and work in the GOP to advance the movement of our candidates there?

 

[cajuncocoa]

At this point, just about everything she says is just bitter.

And you're Little Miss Sunshine, aren't ya?

 

[cajuncocoa]

So you're not done? You're still going to support liberty candidates, and work in the GOP to advance the movement of our candidates there?

When are the three of you (you, Bastiat, and FSP) going to get it? How many times must you be told that it is not necessary to work in the GOP to advance the liberty movement?? Are you that obtuse? Are just someone who likes to harass other people?

 

[Michigan11]

And you're Little Miss Sunshine, aren't ya?

come one cajuncocoa, you have been posting depressed posts for weeks now, you're better than that. no long faces?

 

[Carlybee]

At this point, just about everything she says is just bitter.



But I knew 5 years ago that the Ron Paul campaign wasn't the group that would lead us to victory.