So now that Obamacare has passed, what next on the socialist agenda?

[newbitech]

This bill is regulation. When the insurance giants are turned into non-profits and nationalized then feel free to call it socialized healthcare insurance, or when all the medical service providers are run by and owned by the state, you can call that socialized healthcare.

All we have now is a slightly different version of the same welfare state we have had for generations. To think that more than a handful of people in Congress, much less a majority, actually want the state to own and control the industry is laughable. They're all about the state-business partnership. Our government is nothing more than the executive committee of the corporate establishment - they are the agents of economic power.

I think what you are talking about is the difference between idealistic socialism and socialism in practice. Socialism has never worked in practice as far as my understanding goes. It always ends up with what you described as state-business partnership. Facism, Nazism, Communism, Democratic Socialism etc etc..

I believe its the ideology of pure socialism that is being pandered to and accepted by Americans that is on the agenda of voters and representatives of democratic wing of the ruling class.

I think socialism is the ideology being foisted upon us, we'd be lucky to have socialism if the country stays on this path.

 

[cjm]

War.

Bingo.

 

[Deborah K]

Bingo.

You guys need to knock it off! They are anticipating this mentality and are prepared to take us down. We are NOT organized for a revolution - yet. "Revolution takes organization, militia, leadership, a plan for governmental overthrow and replacement, and a tremendous level of dedication to the cause to the point of a willingness to pay the ultimate sacrifice." We're not even close.

 

[Dr.3D]

War.

Bingo.

You guys need to knock it off! They are anticipating this mentality and are prepared to take us down. We are NOT organized for a revolution - yet. "Revolution takes organization, militia, leadership, a plan for governmental overthrow and replacement, and a tremendous level of dedication to the cause to the point of a willingness to pay the ultimate sacrifice." We're not even close.

Perhaps he meant, war with Iran. Just a little something to distract us from what our own government is doing.

 

[Brian4Liberty]

I think what you are talking about is the difference between idealistic socialism and socialism in practice. Socialism has never worked in practice as far as my understanding goes. It always ends up with what you described as state-business partnership.

That is similar to my understanding too. Socialism arose in opposition to Communism. Socialism was created by the elite as a way for them to hold onto power (and even gain more), while fooling the vast majority of the people... sounds familiar.

 

[Deborah K]

Perhaps he meant, war with Iran. Just a little something to distract us from what our own government is doing.

Thanks for pointing this out. You're right. I think they meant that. Sorry guys. Been hearing a LOT of people talking violent revolution lately.

 

[Deborah K]

That is similar to my understanding too. Socialism arose in opposition to Communism. Socialism was created by the elite as a way for them to hold onto power (and even gain more), while fooling the vast majority of the people... sounds familiar.

I thought socialism was the prerequisite to communism et al. Kinda like crawling is to walking.

 

[pcosmar]

I thought socialism was the prerequisite to communism et al. Kinda like crawling is to walking.

They are so closely related that I see very little difference in practice.
Socialism give the impression of a little more freedom, as long as you play their game.

 

[constituent]

jack shit.

free healthcare was their flagship, and you see how well that went over.

they'll be too afraid to move until 2012.

expect increased federalization of police, militarization of the border, increased limits on cash one can take out of the country, all those hardcore commie kinda things.

none of that will require them to pass much of, if, anything.

 

[Vessol]

Cyber Security Bill no doubt.

Also I hav eto point out that this is far worse then a Socialist agenda.

I'd say this is completely Fascist. At least in a socialist system there would at least be "spreading of the wealth" or w/e garbage, there is none of that in this agenda nor in the latest piece of garbage bill.

This is about centering economic and social power under the Federal government. This is a Corporatist/Fascist agenda by far.

I'm sorry, but whenever I hear someone uttering 'socialism' lately I automatically assume they are one of the Fox-swilling egg-heads whom saw nothing wrong with Bush, but dag-nabbit they sure hate that socialist Obama.

Socialism feeds corruption and the markets. It's bad, but this is far from how bad socialism is. This is downright Corporatism.

In the following year as we lead up to the 2010 elections, don't be swayed as the neocon Republicans utter socialism as if they have a uncontrollable tick, that they can't say anything else. These clowns will just do the exact same thing that the fascist Democrats are doing now.

 

[FrankRep]

What's our next move?

 

[constituent]

More importantly, what's your next move?

 

[Vessol]

What's our next move?

It'll be a tricky one. We have to get more of our people in, in 2010.

The NeoCons are going to take a huge advantage of this and are going to chant 'socialism' over and over again.

The enraged right will vote for anyone with an 'R', completely ignorant of the past.

We have to try to capitalize on this somehow and get an 'R' behind the names of our real pro-liberty candidates.

 

[silentshout]

You mean the corporatists, right? Leftist corporatists. I'd say national ID and the amnesty bill. How better to serve their corporate masters by providing even more cheap labor to them..

 

[penguin]

They need Illegal amnesty next to soften the losses in November. Then a gun grab and it is game over.

 

[AuH20]

What's our next move?

We need to curry the favor of the smaller businesses who are being intentionally railroaded by the Fascists running our government. Especially those insurance companies of the smaller variety who will be inevitably wiped out and consolidated by the insurance monopoly.

 

[torchbearer]

do you realize, that with mandated coverage. if you don't get coverage and you go to the emergency room with no insurance, you will be fined/arrested.

 

[newbitech]

do you realize, that with mandated coverage. if you don't get coverage and you go to the emergency room with no insurance, you will be fined/arrested.

no no, apparently you won't need coverage until you are on your way too the emergency room.

/sarcasm (i think:o)

 

[torchbearer]

no no, apparently you won't need coverage until you are on your way too the emergency room.

/sarcasm (i think:o)

well, you can get it after they take the tire iron out of your head, but they will still bust you at the ER for not having any insurance.

 

[MelissaWV]

well, you can get it after they take the tire iron out of your head, but they will still bust you at the ER for not having any insurance.

Let me see... let me channel some of my old Government knowledge...

Ah! First, your information will be turned over to the IRS. In case you are incapacitated, this will include the paramedics/police going through your things in order to find your proper identification. This search will be deemed as "for the patient's good" because it would also turn up any cards declaring disease, disability, or allergy. If something illegal turns up during this search, it will be admissible as being in plain sense with regards to your identification, which will be declared Government property. In otherwords, that pot in your pocket is now going to get you in trouble when they search it for your ID.

Once your information is obtained, you will be (of course) fined. If a certain amount of time has passed, or you are a repeat offender on this front, you will be transported to jail (once you are released from the hospital, of course). You will also be assigned an insurance agent who will cheerfully help you find a health insurance plan that services your "high risk" category. Having just been released from the hospital, your every frailty will be up for debate and scrutiny, increasing your premiums to the point you can't really afford them. Being, however, that the Government has determined you make too much money to get their assistance, you will continue to pay taxes, pay your fine, AND commence paying sky-high insurance premiums or face more fines, and potentially jail at some point.

This, of course, is going to do wonders for your health.