So I just discovered this about Islam

[pessimist]

In Islam, crow is one of the five animals for which there is no blame on the one who kills them


BOOOOOOOOO

 

[Dr.3D]

So to them, killing crows is kosher?

 

[RJB]

Are crows allowed to be banned from internet forums?

http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showth...ds-cool-here&p=5683314&viewfull=1#post5683314

 

[RJB]

So to them, killing crows is kosher?

Halal?

 

[Deborah K]

What about eating crow?

 

[presence]

Crows are famously clever creatures — so much so that the birds' intelligence was recognized in ancient lore. In the story of "The Crow and the Pitcher" from Aesop's Fables, a thirsty crow drops stones into narrow jar to raise the low level of water inside so he can take a drink.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/31/crow-intelligence-solve-puzzles_n_5062314.html

Hungry birds have always been a problem for farmers. Sometimes the birds ate so much corn or wheat that a farmer and his family would not have enough food to last through the winter. So, for more than 3,000 years, farmers have been making scarecrows.

http://home.comcast.net/~minelson/history_of_scarecrows.htm

 

[Dr.3D]

Halal?

I'm fine, thank you.

 

[William Tell]

In Islam, crow is one of the five animals for which there is no blame on the one who kills them


BOOOOOOOOO

What, you don't wanna go to Valhalla yet?

 

[RJB]

I've read that crows can count (No Counting Crows puns please). For example if they see four hunters enter an area, they are still on guard if three leave with the awareness that 1 is still lurking somewhere.

 

[Miss Annie]

What about eating crow?

In my experience, when you have to eat crow...... it is best served warm! LOL

 

[Deborah K]

In my experience, when you have to eat crow...... it is best served warm! LOL

And usually with sour grapes!!

 

[Dr.3D]

I've heard, if prepared properly, it can taste just like chicken.

 

[anaconda]

So, what is the nature of the "blame" for killing animals outside the five animal non-protected exemptions?

 

[presence]

So, what is the nature of the "blame" for killing animals outside the five animal non-protected exemptions?

It would be "sinful" to kill any other animal without "cause" or the intent to eat it

Killing Crows, Kites, Mice, Scorpions and Dogs

Narrated Hafsa: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful (of a Muhrim) to kill five kinds of animals, namely: the crow, the kite, the mouse, the scorpion and the rabid dog."
Sahih Bukhari 3:29:54

Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "Five kinds of animals are harmful and could be killed in the Haram (Sanctuary). These are: the crow, the kite, the scorpion, the mouse and the rabid dog."
Sahih Bukhari 3:29:55

Narrated 'Aisha: The Prophet said, "Five kinds of animals are mischief-doers and can be killed even in the Sanctuary: They are the rat the scorpion, the kite, the crow and the rabid dog."
Sahih Bukhari 4:54:531

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "It is not sinful of a person in the state of Ihram to kill any of these five animals: The scorpion, the rat, the rabid dog, the crow and the kite."
Sahih Bukhari 4:54:532

A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying: Five are the harmful things which should be killed in the state of Ihram or otherwise: snake, speckled crow. rat. voracious dog, and kite.
Sahih Muslim 7:2718

A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Five are the vicious beasts which should be killed even in the state of Ihram: scorpion, rat, kite, crow and voracious dog.
Sahih Muslim 7:2719

Salim reported on the authority of his father (Allah be pleased with them) that the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Five are the (beasts) which if one kills them in the precincts of the Ka'ba or in the state of lhram entail no sin: rat, scorpion, crow, kite and voracious dog. In another version the words are:" as a Muhrim and in the state of lhram".
Sahih Muslim 7:2724

Hafsa, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him), reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said this: There are five beasts, all of them are vicious and harmful and there is no sin for one who kills them (and these are): scorpion, crow, kite, rat and voracious dog.
Sahih Muslim 7:2725

Zaid b. Jubair reported: A person asked Ibn Umar which beast a Muhrim could kill. Thereupon he said: One of the wives of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) told me: He (the Holy Prophet) commanded to kill rat, scorpion, kite, voracious dog and crow.
Sahih Muslim 7:2726

Zaid b. Jubair reported: A person asked Ibn 'Umar which beast a Mubrim could kill, whereupon he said: One of the wives of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) told me: He (the Holy Prophet) commanded to kill voracious dog, rat, scorpion, kite, crow, and snake (and this is allowed) likewise in prayer.
Sahih Muslim 7:2727

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nafi from Abdullah ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "There are five kinds of animal which it is not wrong for some one in ihram to kill: crows, kites, scorpions, rats and mice, and wild dogs."
Al-Muwatta 20 26.89

Yahya related to me from Malik from Abdullah ibn Dinar from Abdullah ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace,said,"There are five (kinds of) animal which it is not wrong for some one in ihram to kill: scorpions, rats and mice, crows, kites and wild dogs. "
Al-Muwatta 20 26.90

Yahya related to me from Malik from Hisham ibn Urwa from his father that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "There are five trespassers that can be killed in the Haram: rats and mice, scorpions, crows, kites and wild dogs."
Al-Muwatta 20 26.91

Yahya related to me from Malik from Ibn Shihab that Umar ibn al-Khattab told people to kill snakes in the Haram. Malik said, about the "wild dogs" which people were told to kill in the Haram, that any animals that wounded, attacked, or terrorised men, such as lions, leopards, Iynxes and wolves, were counted as"wild dogs." However, someone who was in ihram should not kill beasts of prey that did not attack (people), such as hyenas, foxes, cats and anything else like them, and if he did then he had to pay a forfeit for it. Similarly, someone in ihram should not kill any predatory birds except the kinds that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, specified, namely crows and kites. If someone in ihram killed any other kind of bird he had to pay a forfeit for it.
Al-Muwatta 20 26.92

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Animals#Killing_Animals

more on kites:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kite_(bird)

 

[Dr.3D]

Oh oh.... look out, dogs are on the list.

Alright, who told the cops?

 

[Miss Annie]

I guess that's why ISIS's tweets are all full of those cute little kitties. But, oh wait, I forgot - ISIS isn't Islamic.

 

[Dr.3D]

I guess that's why ISIS's tweets are all full of those cute little kitties. But, oh wait, I forgot - ISIS isn't Islamic.

Yeah, the name must be to fool people into becoming Islamophobic.

 

[TN_VOL]

Some of them also apparently believe that Muhammad split the moon in two then I guess he put it back together.

 

[Muwahid]

The general principle is that vermin which pester you, may spread disease or harm you, may be killed without sin.

The flipside, is the general principle in regard to animals in general according to the prophet: دخلَت امرأة النار في هرة حبستها ، لا هي أطعمتها إذ هي حبستها ، ولا هي تركتها تأكل من خَشَاشِ الأرض (A woman entered hell-fire for caging a cat, and starving it, and she did not let it free to eat the vermin)

Questions? Comments? Concerns?

 

[TER]

Concerns?

I guess the biggest one I have is that in Islam, killing vermin is of no sin or consequence, yet killing an infidel (read: a human being made in the image of God) promises great riches and rewards. Seem like humans are not only included in the list of living beings as 'acceptable kills', but in a sick and twisted way is in a category all by itself.