So are we done ignoring the Evangelicals?

[noztnac]

http://www.newsweek.com/id/78241

Evangelicals need to read this article and see this picture.

 

[tfelice]

Huckabee will eventually implode when his statist positions become more critically examined. Limbaugh had done that some, and will continue to do so. Limbaugh gets a lot of listeners from the Evangelical base.

Evangelicals will be looking for a Christian candidate and Paul can be that candidate since there are no others in the field. But, and this is a huge but, Evangelicals as a whole will not rally around a candidate that has no chance to win. So it is imperative that Paul has wins & seconds between now and Super Tuesday. If he keeps coming in with 10% or so then he won't even be on the radar screen of those looking for another choice.

 

[Triton]

Speaking as a non-Zionist evangelical, we are a rare breed, one which Hucksterbee will never appeal to. We will also never appeal to them (Zionists) on a broad scale.

Huckabee preached at a Christian Zionist church not long ago. They want someone who, plain and simple, will spill American blood for israel. Paul won't do that, and that's one of the main reasons I will vote for him, and why many evangelicals won't.

 

[jrich4rpaul]

This is the wrong place to be saying this, even though it's right. We need to get the religious voters.

But we had a poll up here that showed about 2/3 of this forum's members are athiest. How many of them will be willing to talk about faith effectively?

 

[Guymontag]

Speaking as a non-Zionist evangelical, we are a rare breed, one which Hucksterbee will never appeal to. We will also never appeal to them (Zionists) on a broad scale.

Huckabee preached at a Christian Zionist church not long ago. They want someone who, plain and simple, will spill American blood for israel. Paul won't do that, and that's one of the main reasons I will vote for him, and why many evangelicals won't.

Maybe the baptists and such have such imperialistic goals, but walk into a charismatic church and you'll find a whole group of Christians who would be willing to support peace. So if you guys are interested in stealing some of the evangelical base, start at the charismatics! They may seem like a bunch of tongue speaking wierdos but they have REAL Christian convictions. I was once told by a charismatic that we should forgive the terrorists instead of bomb them, flying over the al qaeda training camps dropping flyers that said "we love you" and "we forgive you".

Seriously folks I have already made head way with local charismatics that want an anti war and anti abortion candidate. This is a legit group that we can steal from Huck. If you really want to progress here I will do my best to help you guys find charismatic churches in your area.

 

[constituent]

Unfortunately, everyone here cringes when he brings up abortion, and wants him to hide the fact that he' s a Christian.

what? enough of the collectivism this morning .... fer rills.


way too many, "everyone here" and way too much "we" this morning.

probably the best way to sway the inculcated christian masses to our side is
to examine why the unawares aren't "aware that he is a christian" simply
because he doesn't flaunt it.

it's an ideology thing... and you will have to fight to break that ideological
hold, otherwise "they" will just shift around based on which way the wind
blows (that particularly) sunday. you can't fight preacher men who
are nothing more than wolves in sheep's clothing, using their bibles
as guiji boards to justify their crimes and the crimes of their leaders...

and their followers are just that, followers. you will have to take it upon
yourself to seize back the initiative of spiritual guidance w/in your community,
and you might have to step on some toes...

but you'll get nowhere otherwise. people who will blindly follow the same snakes
that've led them astray this long will not be easily woken from their slumber....


and i don't think the internet is going to help in this regard...


just some thoughts, one texan to another!

 

[fj45lvr]

Speaking as a non-Zionist evangelical, we are a rare breed, one which Hucksterbee will never appeal to. We will also never appeal to them (Zionists) on a broad scale.

Huckabee preached at a Christian Zionist church not long ago. They want someone who, plain and simple, will spill American blood for israel. Paul won't do that, and that's one of the main reasons I will vote for him, and why many evangelicals won't.

welcome to the frustration of the Arab world and the Palestinian nightmare....its only been 60 years now.

Religious wars are insanity......pass out Mark Twains " the war prayer"...this really drives it home.

http://www.warprayer.org/

Maybe these folks should pay closer attention to Jesus calling out the Jewish Pharisees as "the children of Satan" to rectify their delusional support for UNGODLY people no matter what creed or race they claim for themselves.

 

[constituent]

for ease and convenience from the war prayer:

"Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth into battle -- be Thou near them! With them -- in spirit -- we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved firesides to smite the foe. O Lord our God, help us tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells; help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead; help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain; help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire; help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with their little children to wander unfriended in the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst, sports of the sun flames in summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it --

For our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimmage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet!

We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.

(After a pause.) "Ye have prayed it; if ye still desire it, speak! The messenger of the Most High waits."

 

[Ron Galt]

The Children of the Corn have spoken <insert speaking in tounges here>. You can't reason with these people. They are not worth wasting time on.

 

[Macon GA]

My husband is a pastor in a Reformed Presbyterian church. Just for the record, in our denomination, most church parking lots look like a Ron Paul rally due to all of the bumperstickers and magnets.

Don't count out the evangelical vote....

I read somewhere that Judge Roy Moore just endorsed Ron Paul. Is this true? If so, it could have a major impact on the evangelical vote.

Those of us who take time to read, think and actually vote see right through Mike Huckabee. His constant pandering to the Christian vote disgusts me.

 

[Guymontag]

The Children of the Corn have spoken <insert speaking in tounges here>. You can't reason with these people. They are not worth wasting time on.

I pretty much just gave you guys a lead that I've been having success with. Try charismatics and pentacostals. I fall into that category and most of them I know like Pat Buchanan alot, and we know Pat is down with Paul for the most part. Maybe just start out with hey do you like Pat Buchanan? Oh then you'll love Ron Paul.

Don't give up on these guys, they decide elections.

 

[Guymontag]

My husband is a pastor in a Reformed Presbyterian church. Just for the record, in our denomination, most church parking lots look like a Ron Paul rally due to all of the bumperstickers and magnets.

Don't count out the evangelical vote....

I read somewhere that Judge Roy Moore just endorsed Ron Paul. Is this true? If so, it could have a major impact on the evangelical vote.

Those of us who take time to read, think and actually vote see right through Mike Huckabee. His constant pandering to the Christian vote disgusts me.

Macon, GA? Saint Marys, GA reporting in!

 

[fj45lvr]

Those of us who take time to read, think and actually vote see right through Mike Huckabee. His constant pandering to the Christian vote disgusts me.

no kidding. Paul talks about this in a interview done on the "americanview" whereas Jesus instructed that people should pray in solitude instead of out in public so everyone can see them. Not to mention his driving the money changers out of the temple which most definetly shows his anger for using GOD for "profits" even if that means "political profits".

 

[StateofTrance]

Although we can reach out to them, EvanJihadis are a bunch of brainwashed folks. They can't be "re-programmed" to the message of peace & liberty.

 

[Guymontag]

Although we can reach out to them, EvanJihadis are a bunch of brainwashed folks. They can't be "re-programmed" to the message of peace & liberty.

I remember bashing lesbians and feminists saying that they wont touch a pro life candidate (see The View clip on youtube) and the entire board jumped on me for it. But now were having trouble reaching out to Christians? Ron Paul has Christian values, there is no reason that Christians WOULDNT vote for Ron Paul. Dont be such a defeatist. Take my advice and go see some Charismatics and Pentecoastals. And we wont win a nomination without them... mark my words.

 

[fj45lvr]

Although we can reach out to them, EvanJihadis are a bunch of brainwashed folks. They can't be "re-programmed" to the message of peace & liberty.

WRONG. Who do you think thought up the US constitution??? Educate yourself buddy.

Why would they be different than half the population that are socialists??

Liberty is GOD's principle. Peace is most definetly of GOD.

be frustrated at DECEPTION and "false teaching".

Yes, there is a "stereotype" that holds some generalizations but NOT in relation to what you are stating.

 

[StateofTrance]

Guymontag & fj45lvr -

You see, there's a difference between Christians and EvanJihadis - It's only the semantics that brings them together.

Don't get confused. Christians in general can be won over. EvenJihadis? Well, hard time, unless we get endorsements from their jihadi leaders.

 

[noztnac]

It's not that we are ignoring the evangelicals. It's that we are tip toeing around the war issue. Check out this link:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=74702

 

[fj45lvr]

It's not that we are ignoring the evangelicals. It's that we are tip toeing around the war issue. Check out this link:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=74702

very true there.

we're most likely reaping the consequences (recieving blowback from) having people here become "desensitized" by way of our perverse "entertainment" in films and TV....I never watched it but I heard about a film series called "faces of death") people are esentially totally detached from the reality (and I hear this from friends that live in Israel too who only live miles away from the west bank and they are in a completely different "bubble" of a world detached from the reality of those "on the wrong side of the check points".

 

[LibertyEagle]

But now were having trouble reaching out to Christians? Ron Paul has Christian values, there is no reason that Christians WOULDNT vote for Ron Paul. Dont be such a defeatist. Take my advice and go see some Charismatics and Pentecoastals. And we wont win a nomination without them... mark my words.

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