So are we done ignoring the Evangelicals?

[G-Wohl]

Ron Paul IS NOT in support of gay marriage. He just thinks the federal government should not decide it. There is a major difference there.


And yeah, you guys should seriously learn to not bash Christians. Some Christians make bad decisions just like other people.

Ron Paul answered, "Sure" to the question asked of him on an ABC interview: "Should gays be allowed to marry?".

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hPiDvB2Tcqw

Paul himself may disagree with homosexuality and gay marriage, but he is absolutely opposed to a federal ban on it. The candidates that Evangelicals support (such as Huckabee) aren't able to make the distinction between religious values and political ideologies. Many "conservative" candidates wish to outlaw gay marriage, and define marriage on the federal level as the union between a man and a woman. Ron Paul has the sense to not ever support such a thing.

EDIT: I should say that none of my comments are meant to be personal attacks - they are my opinion, and the fact that we have such wide-ranging individuals all supporting one candidate just speaks towards Ron Paul's undeniable strength as an ideologically-powerful candidate.

 

[Highstreet]

i would rather leave ron paul forums for good than edit any of my posts. its what i think and im not gonna water it down. christians are not stupid. evangelicals are the fundumentalist extremists of christianity. and i DO have something against them.

Then stop pissing off 1/3 of the base.

This is a big tent effort, and that is Paul's only chance of winning.

He has to bring in a sizable portion of each faction of Repubs and Independents.

 

[Jon S]

I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. All the cussing certainly is not necessary. I'm a Christian. I go to church and I try to live out my life. I try to encourage and help people. I believe in the Bible. If you still think I'm an idiot, fine.

Tone down the harshness toward Christians that are not Ron Paul supporters though or you'll be hurting Ron Paul.

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD I DO NOT HATE CHRISTIANS!!! I HATE EVANGELICALS!!! i barely ever curse but when it comes to evangelicals i hate them. NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE EVANGELICALS!!

 

[DeadtoSin]

Too bad you won't leave the forums then. All you are doing is hatemongering and it is hurting the discussion on the forums. I'll be checking up on you in all of your topics and trying to check the damage you do if you won't tone it down.

I know it isn't going to deter you, but you could just calm it down and we could discuss this rationally.

 

[Grandson of Liberty]

Don't be silly - I (and most with my same beliefs) "generalize and bash" all religious groups equally. Most people who are anti-Christanity are usually anti-religion in general. Ron Paul would allow us to say these things, right?

You certainly have the right to say things that could cost Ron Paul votes, but why would you want to? With 8 posts to your name, I can only wonder.

 

[DeadtoSin]

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD I DO NOT HATE CHRISTIANS!!! I HATE EVANGELICALS!!! i barely ever curse but when it comes to evangelicals i hate them. NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE EVANGELICALS!!

Listen, you are talking about people that are still Christians. Other Christians, "evangelical" or not, see that as an attack on their faith. Get it through you head and get over it.

 

[idiom]

GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD I DO NOT HATE CHRISTIANS!!! I HATE EVANGELICALS!!! i barely ever curse but when it comes to evangelicals i hate them. NOT ALL CHRISTIANS ARE EVANGELICALS!!

This thread is about Evangelicals and not hating them. Love them, even though some of them seem to hate everyone.

 

[iella]

I disagree. Ron Paul is in support of gay marriage - this would go against the overwhelming majority of Evangelical supporters. Seriously, I don't think many RP supporters WANT that support to begin with; the Evangelicals have supported some of the worst political minds in the history of the United States. This would severely work against Paul's credibility.

Uh, what? My point was that Christians don't understand that limited government is in our best interests, they focus too much on specific issues like gay marriage. You will never convince a devout Christian that gay marriage is morally acceptable - you are much, MUCH more likely to convince them that the government shouldn't be trying to push "morality" on anyone. Everyone likes limited government because then we can live our lives the way we want to (as long as we don't interfere with other peoples' right to live the way they want to), and that includes Christians as well.

 

[Grandson of Liberty]

i would rather leave ron paul forums for good than edit any of my posts. its what i think and im not gonna water it down. christians are not stupid. evangelicals are the fundumentalist extremists of christianity. and i DO have something against them.

okie dokie, you've been reported. Just an FYI. Opinions are fine. Name calling is a violation.

 

[Jon S]

haha checking up on me. you do that. wanna know the first time i cursed in a post? it was about 3 posts ago. if you consider yourself a christian and you believe in the bible and you go to church i have nothing against you. if you are an evangelical (meaning you think all other religions are false religions, you hate gay people, you think traditional churches are dead churches, etc) then i DO have something against you

 

[DeadtoSin]

I do think all other religions are false religions. I don't hate gay people. If you hate gay people then you aren't living a Christian lifestyle.. I don't really think thats complicated. The Bible exhorts us to not hate ANYONE.

How could I not think that other religions are wrong? All religions contradict each other. One of them HAS to have truth, and they can't all be true because truth is not mutually exclusive.

Look, thats not a complicated issue.

*Edit*

I should say ALL BELIEF SYSTEMS (including atheism) contradict each other.

 

[Jon S]

okay im leaving the forums. i have nothing against the majority of you. but evangelicals are crazy nuts who have skewed christianity beyond recognition. i will never apologize for hating them. and 4 posts with me telling my opinion on them (which includes me thinking they are fucking morons) has pissed off enough people that im done with these forums. i'll still support ron paul and tell everyone to vote for him. but i'll never apologize for anything i've said.

goodbye forums

 

[DeadtoSin]

Bye now!

 

[hard@work]

goodbye forums

The forums wish you well on your journey through life. May peace find you, puppies adore you, and butterflies all know your name.

 

[JenHarris]

This kind of hatred and fighting over subjects like this really don't belong on a forum to get Ron Paul elected. If you want to hate evangelicals go to somewhere else and hate on them there. Hell if you want to spread hatred against anyone take that somewhere else and leave the forums for working on the goal we all share which is getting Ron elected. With freedom comes responsibility, and we need to be responsible enough to know that sometimes what we want to say will cause more harm to our cause than good.

 

[UziSprayTF]

Im reposting this because it fits in much better here than where I first posted it.

We need to be more focused on the church goers.

It is very simple to win over the religious right. First look up all the churches in your area and get the names of the pastor, youth pastor and deacons (titles will change depending on denomination) then look up their address using the Internets. (Serious Business)

Second visit the pastor, youth pastor and deacons and explain these simple talking points:
- Ron Paul has been faithfully married to his wife for 50 years
- Ron Paul is a deep Christian
- Ron Paul has NEVER voted against his principles
- Ron Paul is against abortion and has actually voted that way
- Ron Paul is against gay marriage

That is all you need to tell them. I have convinced so many Christians to vote for him just by saying those lines. IF, and only IF, they ask about either Huckabee or lack of MSM presence you explain that:
- Huckabee has been investigated on ethics commissions many many times
- Huckabee has pardoned criminals who later went on to brake the law again
- That Huckabee is probably trying to do what he thinks is best, but you cant ethically see yourself voting for him

on MSM presence you need to frame it as the *SECULAR* media that does not want Ron Paul to be heard, even though he has raised the most amount of money.

But really, all you should need is the talking points above. What happens after that is the pastor will talk to his deacons about the election and the deacons to their wives and the wives to the other church members and it spirals from there. Karl Rove is not stupid when he went after that section of the GOP for Bush, we NEED them if we are going to win.

 

[tboss]

Let's push this hard. This is def a top subject. I was surprised at the Huckabee support. Ron Paul is a WAY better Christian than that fool.

 

[familydog]

okay im leaving the forums. i have nothing against the majority of you. but evangelicals are crazy nuts who have skewed christianity beyond recognition. i will never apologize for hating them. and 4 posts with me telling my opinion on them (which includes me thinking they are fucking morons) has pissed off enough people that im done with these forums. i'll still support ron paul and tell everyone to vote for him. but i'll never apologize for anything i've said.

goodbye forums

 

[Duckman]

I DO NOT HATE CHRISTIANS!!! I HATE EVANGELICALS!!!

You shouldn't be hating them either.

 

[Vox Populi]

I agree that the Christian aspect of Dr. Ron Paul should have been displayed in Iowa. I knew that Iowa was an evangelical and Christian state, so I knew that Huckabee would do well, but I was suprised to see that Ron Paul did not do better than he did. I'm not in Iowa, so I didn't see the local news there or get a feel of what the Christians there thought, but I assumed that Ron Paul's Christian aspect would be displayed in Iowa. Was it? If not, it should have been, and I hope that the campaign makes note of that going into some of the Bible Belt states.

Ron Paul is a good Christian man.

EDIT: I understand that over-stating Paul's Christianity/religious beliefs is not a good idea, but it's still important that people understand what his beliefs are.