[Snow Murder] So much fail. On every individuals part.....

phill4paul

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VIDEO OF DOUBLE HOMICIDE, SUICIDE, UNDERSCORES FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE

Perhaps you have seen the surveillance video of a double murder that has been making its way around social media. The video shows a verbal confrontation between neighbors in the middle of the street. It culminates with one neighbor shooting the other neighbor and his wife several times. The two victims would die on the scene, and as police approached the shooters home, he cowardly killed himself.

But lest we look at the video, throw up our hands saying 'people are just crazy,' it would serve us well to learn from this tragic incident. And yes, there is a huge lesson to be taken from this incident.

While there are certainly incidents where the victim just happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, this is not one of them. So first, let's back up to the events that occurred before the shooting. Let's start before the video even began.

There are some reports that the neighbors had a history of bad blood between them. We don't know what caused these neighbors to hate one another. But let's even submit that whatever the grievances were, that they were completely legitimate and rational. The victims and the neighbor could not or did not attempt to live in peace with their neighbor. It is a simple concept that we all would do good to put into practice.

If your mind read the last point and took it as us recommending that you become passive and let people harm you, you, and your family, you need to heed the message contained in the tragic incident captured in the video. Peaceably living doesn't mean you give up your right to defend yourself. It doesn't mean you can't talk to your neighbor about a problem you have with them. It means is that whenever possible, you should try to do it in a reasonable and self-controlled manner.

Sadly, no one in this video acted reasonably or exercised any self-control. If these two groups of adults were two of your children, you likely would have intervened and put an end to their foolish behavior.

News reports stated that what instigated the incident on that day was the husband and wife shoveling snow from their property onto his. In no way does this behavior warrant execution, but it certainly is petulant and unnecessary. Based on the shooter's words, it isn't likely why he shot them, but no doubt stoked the fire.

Both groups yell obscenities and make verbal threats of physical harm against each other. If you wanted a 'how-to' lesson on escalating a problem into a bigger one, this video is all you need. Hopefully, by the time you left high school, the novelty of curse words and name-calling wore off. Maturity facilitates a desire to de-escalate rather than proving who is tougher.

And this is a tactical consideration for every concealed carrier watching this video. Think of why you carry a firearm. It is to protect life right? We are defensive shooters as is required by law as well as a basic moral principle. This means the protection of our lives as well as our loved ones. The sad thing is in order to be the bigger man, the husband failed to fulfill this role as a husband and protect his wife. To be fair, she engaged in name-calling and bad-behavior as well. However, we must become extra vigilant and sober in our decisions with our loved ones present. What we do or don't do has a direct impact on their chance of surviving.

We mentioned pre-assault indicators earlier. These are cues that someone is about to commit violence. Did notice what happened when the shooter came out of his house with the handgun? He walked down the driveway pointing the gun at the husband and wife. Pretty hard to miss that cue right? Well, ego and anger cloud our judgment and it happened in this case. Both the husband and wife actually walked toward the shooter and dared him to shoot them!

Once the husband was shot, he ran away leaving his wife defenseless in the middle of the road. For all the idiotic things the people yelled at each other, at that moment it has become deadly serious. Are you as a concealed carrier prepared to defend yourself if your attacker gets the first hits? Are you willing to fight to the death for your life or the life of your loved ones? Compliance is sometimes the answer, in this incident, it was obvious it wasn't going to work. Would this have ended differently? Who knows, but our mindset should not be to give up.

We see an indication of extreme violence by the fact that the shooter took several point-blank shots on both victims. This shows a propensity for a level of violence that may shock those with a moral conscience. Not only did he shoot both neighbors at point-blank range, but because they were still alive, and he presumably was out of ammunition, he retrieved a long gun from his home and re-engaged both neighbors at near contact distance again.

Perhaps the most chilling part of the video is what the shooter says as he shoots the woman in the head with a rifle at a distance of inches. We can hear him say "you should have kept your f*&ing mouth shut!" Two people were murdered, and another one was killed by his own hand. Why? Escalation of words and threats. No robbery, no gang shooting, not even a mistake of fact. Nope, just words.

We have the right to say what we want, even if those words offend or are a minority view. But don't mistake the right to free speech with the necessity...no obligation to act responsibly. Even more so if you are carrying a firearm. Those who have been in combat, been a victim of violent crime, or seen the evils of man rarely want to engage in needless violence. For when we truly experience violence, we seek all other options before resorting to it.

So please seek to live peaceably with others whenever possible. Always attempt to de-escalate volatile situations if at all possible. Yes, there is a time and place for violence. When it becomes necessary we hope you have trained, know your abilities and respond appropriately with the will to survive.

But whatever you do, don't seek conflict. There are too many people who are willing to take you up on your offer.



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PA - ASP's John Correia analyzes triple murder/suicide

Ugly scene all around.

Comments?

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Ugly scene all around.

Comments?

[video]https://www.nsfwyoutube.com/watchmore?v=Id9pd8zfQcs[/video]
 
Ugly scene all around.

Comments?

[video]https://www.nsfwyoutube.com/watchmore?v=Id9pd8zfQcs[/video]

It sounded like the husband saw that the guy had a gun and continued to yell and threaten. The wife did the same, as they called him names and dared him to shoot. Darwin Award for the couple.

No marksman awards for the shooter. Sounded like he didn't get a hit until the seventh shot. If he had a revolver, he would have been out of ammo.
 
Can you imagine John Correia doing a video on this? I think he would just watch the video and have no words. It's like every lesson he has ever taught was just thrown out the window.

I talked down a road rage incident a few weeks back using the lessons learned at ASP.
 
Women should keep their mouth shut, he is right about that

Not to make a gross generalization, but you have a point. There is a dynamic at play when you throw her into the mix. When the husband saw the gun, he did say something like “put the gun away”, and if the wife had not been there escalating the entire time, it’s possible the shooting still could have been avoided. As someone I know who is into self defense would say, his wife was writing checks that her husband couldn't cash.

Never bring a loud mouth to a gun fight.
 
Not that there is anything funny about the situation, but the husband’s voice when he yelled “call the cops” reminded me of someone. He sounded like Bill Paxton in Aliens.
 
Not to make a gross generalization, but you have a point. There is a dynamic at play when you throw her into the mix. When the husband saw the gun, he did say something like “put the gun away”, and if the wife had not been there escalating the entire time, it’s possible the shooting still could have been avoided. As someone I know who is into self defense would say, his wife was writing checks that her husband couldn't cash.

Never bring a loud mouth to a gun fight.

"you should have kept your fucking mouth shut!"

A very valid point...this is the realization of the implied threat in the statement: "an armed society is polite society".

Keep a civil tongue in your head, pull the stick out of your ass, knock the chip off your shoulder and, if not friendly, at least try to be polite, especially if you don't carry the cash to back up the checks your big mouth is writing.

The real world is not Farcebook or Twatter.

Pull a stunt like these two did, especially when you do it day after day as it seems to be the case, and sooner or later you're going to run across the "guy you should not have fucked with".

Or worse yet, turn your long suffering neighbor into that guy one cold snowy morning, and before you know what's happening, you're dying in the mud and slush and your own shit.
 
I talked down a road rage incident a few weeks back using the lessons learned at ASP.

John and ASP is great. He is here local to me. I am going to have to meet him someday.

I watch his videos regularly and constantly think in terms of protecting myself at all times. One of the best tings about AZ is constitutional carry.

The fools in the video didn't even try to run from a man with a gun coming for them. Their stupidity cost them.
 
This. I am still just gobsmacked at the stupidity of EVERYONE involved.

Agreed, but my small amount of sympathy here is now trending toward the shooter.

Seems this has been a long running feud between Jefferey Spaide (the shooter) and Lisa and James Goy (the first victims).

Maybe further details will show a long chain of abuse, torment and petty feuding from the Goy's.

Maybe Spaide just picked today to "Fall Down".
 
John and ASP is great. He is here local to me. I am going to have to meet him someday.

I watch his videos regularly and constantly think in terms of protecting myself at all times. One of the best tings about AZ is constitutional carry.

The fools in the video didn't even try to run from a man with a gun coming for them. Their stupidity cost them.

Given how poorly Spaide shot, they may have easily escaped.

And yeah, been a big fan for years now...even when I find myself disagreeing, after more calmly looking things over, I'll find myself re-considering.

I mentioned earlier, I actually put the lessons to use and talked down a road rage incident I had a few weeks back.

It worked.

John C. holds all sorts of in person training sessions for minimal cost, I'd think you'd be able to get signed up no problem
 
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