Site policies on Trump support

[phill4paul]

I didn't start this - I'm merely taking it to its logical conclusion and attempting to impose some measure of consistency, using a weapon created in malice for the just end of smiting the creators thereof themselves.

Good luck with that, oh white knight. Damn, you're seriously full of yourself.

 

[Smitty]

What makes it hard for them is that they don't WANT to get it.

A combination of cult worship, pathological denial, deep and profound ignorance, and lack of maturity is at play here.

If Rand Paul signed up here and advocated for these things that Rand Paul has actually done, the Howler Monkey Squad would roast him to bits, all the while proclaiming the glory of his name.

Reminds me of the type of "Christian" who would string up Jesus by noon if he showed up in the town square in the morning.

I'm beginning to think that it's something completely different than that.

There's been quite a bit of "discussion" directed towards anyone who voices dissatisfaction with either Hillary or Obama lately.

 

[cajuncocoa]

hankrichter,

That is not an answer to my question.

...incidentally, you cannot answer the question, as you weren't here in 07-08.

I'm asking the 07-08 veterans, now become Trump supporters, who are so deeply offended by this "censorship," whether promotion of equally unlibertarian candidates such as McCain or Obama back was or should have been tolerated back in 07-08.

There were people who admitted they would vote for Obama, and usually that was because they wanted the Democrat to win to hold the GOP spot open so Ron could run again in 2012 and Rand could run in 2016. But promoting Obama? No, I don't recall anyone promoting him....they would certainly have been ridiculed. As would anyone who would have promoted McCain and/or Romney. Some admitted to voting for McCain and/or Romney, too...but didn't promote them.

Adding on edit: there was a certain amount of promotion for Gary Johnson in 2012. You asked about unlibertarian candidates though, and GJ was the LP candidate. Still, it definitely was not appreciated by many people I recall. There were many arguments about that...but at least GJ was somewhat libertarian.

 

[thoughtomator]

Rand Paul: 'My Every Waking Hour Is to Try to Stop Donald'
Ron Paul: 'I couldn't support Donald Trump as nominee'
Rep. Justin Amash on Dumping Trump
Trump support in district alarming for Massie

So I'll mark you down under the "cult worship" list.

Also we can add this to the list of fallacies your group has strewn about so wantonly in recent weeks, as it is a call to authority fallacy.

You have also knowingly taken the quotes out of context in order to make a point the people quoted were not making, and applied it inappropriately to the statement you are arguing against, so that's another strawman fallacy and thus another violation of TOS.

Isn't having forum rules fun?

 

[thoughtomator]

Good luck with that, oh white knight. Damn, you're seriously full of yourself.

You started it.

I am going to finish it.

Lube up.

 

[Smitty]

read the thread "single issue voter"

 

[misterx]

I agree, we don't know, and that was pointed out in the OP.




Belief isn't part of this equation, it's an analysis and a statistical projection that can be made from that analysis. Other candidates can be evaluated as well.



We're not cutting off debate, in fact, we are encouraging it in multiple ways, including with our evaluation process. There is one on-going with Ted Cruz that anyone can contribute to:
http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?491718-Campaign-Evaluation-Ted-Cruz-(POTUS)



I agree.


I agree, and per the OP, I wish to be amicable with those I disagree with.



I agree, and the policy is not designed to discourage it.


Thank you very much for the reply.

Fair enough, Bryan. We're all on the same side here regardless of the strategic differences.

 

[ApathyCuredRP]

Over the last 8 years, I have lurked around this forum more hours than I care to keep track of. I have not come by since Rand threw in the towel. I found this post to be nostalgic and heartbreaking at the same time. Remember how wonderful this forum was? How it was a the torch of liberty? How it was the hope for reigning in our spending?

Now look at it. You can look at me as someone who is a reader of the forum rather than a poster. The reading has become so terrible and worthless this last year. I find myself just going to mises.org to gather thoughts and educate myself.

I guess I am just a jaded soul who misses the dream and hope we once had. Prepare yourself for the civil wars to come. Let this country burn - for only then can it rise out of the ashes. Hopefully the liberty Phoenix will arise. Peace out.

 

[phill4paul]

You should be aware that I un-hide your ignored posts specifically and only for the purposes of reporting them as TOS violations, as requested by the website owner.

Wait? Wut? You have my posts on ignore, but you un-hide them so that you can read them, so you can report them. That's some serious Machiavellian shit right there. Are you related to HVACtech?

 

[Jamesiv1]

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[hankrichter12]

I'm beginning to think that it's something completely different than that.

There's been quite a bit of "discussion" directed towards anyone who voices dissatisfaction with either Hillary or Obama lately.

Well, I hate to just throw around cliches, but I do think it has something to do with the "alpha male" stuff, I mean, every other candidate on that stage will do all Trump will do and worse, yet none of them gets the hate Donald has.

I have a theory if I met many of these people in real life they are probably that geek in high school who got shoved in lockers, followed around some girl like a lapdog doing her every bidding for years only to watch the guy who shoved him in the locker say two words to her and then have her in the back seat of his Mustang.

They see Trump, they see that bully, Look how often you see Trump called a "bully". Disagreeing with Trump is one thing, but watching people on these boards align themselves with Moveon.org, FOX News, MSNBC, CoC, CFR - pretty much every entity that tore Ron to shreds is amazing. In addition to that the way they do all the same lies and twisting that the media does, ignoring the NAP, property rights, speech rights, etc.

 

[thoughtomator]

Well, I hate to just throw around cliches, but I do think it has something to do with the "alpha male" stuff, I mean, every other candidate on that stage will do all Trump will do and worse, yet none of them gets the hate Donald has.

I have a theory if I met many of these people in real life they are probably that geek in high school who got shoved in lockers, followed around some girl like a lapdog doing her every bidding for years only to watch the guy who shoved him in the locker say two words to her and then have her in the back seat of his Mustang.

They see Trump, they see that bully, I mean look how often you see Trump called a "bully". Disagreeing with Trump is one thing, but watching people on these boards align themselves with Moveon.org, FOX News, MSNBC, CoC, CFR - pretty much every entity that tore Ron to shreds is amazing. In addition to that the way they do all the same lies and twisting that the media does, ignoring the NAP, property rights, speech rights, etc.

I agree. The behaviors we have seen are symptomatic of deeply-ingrained emotional training and programming, and underlying all of them is jealousy that Trump is successfully pulling off an anti-establishment coup where Rand lacked the skills to do so even given the massive advantage of a liberty movement numbering in the millions, a clear lead in the polling, and a year's head start on everyone else in the field.

This is why I keep bringing up the questions than Ron and Rand need to answer - I believe that the lack of satisfactory answers on those questions is the primary root cause of the division here.

 

[phill4paul]

Disagreeing with Trump is one thing, but watching people on these boards align themselves with Moveon.org, FOX News, MSNBC, CoC, CFR - pretty much every entity that tore Ron to shreds is amazing. In addition to that the way they do all the same lies and twisting that the media does, ignoring the NAP, property rights, speech rights, etc.

Dissent for Trump does not equal alignment with any of these entities in purpose. Your ad-hominems don't square.

 

[phill4paul]

This is why I keep bringing up the questions than Ron and Rand need to answer - I believe that the lack of satisfactory answers on those questions is the primary root cause of the division here.

Have you asked them your personal questions yet so that you may post a definitive thread regarding them? Or are you too busy with your forum jihad to bother?

 

[presence]

Bryan has made very clear to me personally that he does not want me to leave.

Now he has a cleanup problem THIS week and you are on the list.

Frankly I don't want you to leave either.
I want you to bring content here.
LIBERTY CONTENT.

I bring 100:1 the liberty content you bring to this site in new cited threads. And then after I bring it here... I wake up each morning and trumpaloopas have bumped 15 stupid "trump just said" threads to the top of liberty forest forum. My content drowned. Most of it never even gets seen. A sensational cop story breaks through and I'm accused of always posting cop stories. Yet my threads on economics never see the light of day. I posted a great primer on austrian economics the other day... buried. But 12 threads #trumpjustsaid rise to the top, because fuck you.


That was and is the issue. You were and continue to be a part of it.

Its very defeating to be drowned in a pool of "FUCK YOU" votes, and we all know that's all trump is to any of the rabid fanboys.

 

[thoughtomator]

Frankly I don't want you to leave either.
I want you to bring content here.
LIBERTY CONTENT.

I bring 100:1 the liberty content you bring to this site in new cited threads. And then after I bring it here... I wake up each morning and trumpaloopas have bumped 15 stupid "trump just said" threads to the top of liberty forest forum. My content drowned. Most of it never even gets seen. A sensational cop story breaks through and I'm accused of always posting cop stories. Yet my threads on economics never see the light of day. I posted a great primer on austrian economics the other day... buried. But 12 threads #trumpjustsaid rise to the top, because $#@! you.


That was and is the issue. You were and continue to be a part of it.

Its very defeating to be drowned in a pool of "$#@! YOU" votes, and we all know that's all trump is to any of the rabid fanboys.

Actually it is your own cohorts to blame for burying your content in false, sensationalist headlines about Trump and criticism-free regurgitation of MSM propaganda. Look at the names of those who started those posts - the primary culprits are phil4paul and CPUd. It's the fight that they started and they relentlessly pursue which has caused your problem.

With regards to myself, no you don't outcontribute me 100:1 even on that specific point. My own "Hillary Clinton is a Career Criminal" thread, posted just yesterday, got buried just as surely as your own threads, even though its content is absolutely mind-blowing even for those of us who have been following her criminal career all along.

I agree with your complaint and point you to the people truly to blame. You should direct your comments to them.

 

[LibertyEagle]

hankrichter,

That is not an answer to my question.

...incidentally, you cannot answer the question, as you weren't here in 07-08.

I'm asking the 07-08 veterans, now become Trump supporters, who are so deeply offended by this "censorship," whether promotion of equally unlibertarian candidates such as McCain or Obama back was or should have been tolerated back in 07-08.

You mean like Jesse Ventura? The guy who raises taxes when Governor? Because he was promoted on here. Gary Johnson too. And who was that Repub guy on the Libertarian ticket a couple of times ago? He was promoted here after Ron dropped out.

But none of this really matters. This is Bryan's forum and he can do with it what he pleases.

 

[r3volution 3.0]

You mean like Jesse Ventura? The guy who raises taxes when Governor? Because he was promoted on here. Gary Johnson too. And who was that Repub guy on the Libertarian ticket a couple of times ago? He was promoted here after Ron dropped out.

Had anyone been promoting McCain/Obama/Romney in 08/12 to the extent that Trump is being promoted now, would you have objected?

 

[phill4paul]

Had anyone been promoting McCain/Obama/Romney in 08/12 to the extent that Trump is being promoted now, would you have objected?

No, because LE would have already banned them.

 

[cajuncocoa]

Wait? Wut? You have my posts on ignore, but you un-hide them so that you can read them, so you can report them. That's some serious Machiavellian shit right there. Are you related to HVACtech?

I'm giggling so hard at what I read there....it's Trump logic, I guess.