Should we Deport Her? College student never "broke the law" until now.

Should they deport her?

  • Yes

    Votes: 50 33.3%
  • No

    Votes: 100 66.7%

  • Total voters
    150
riseagainst = globalist

Because it's not? Where to you fail to see that what you're advocating is national socialism?



Incorrect. The body claiming a monopoly on violence has drawn imaginary lines to identify the region of it's professed monopoly, and by decree declaring all those within those lines to be it's subjects, and all those outside it's borders nominally interesting inasmuch as they can be viewed as possible future subjects.



Okay. The earth was flat, established for a 'long time'. Please don't be so naive as to claim time is an argument.



Completely agreed. The erosion of individual sovereignty is utterly destroyed by the state, as evidenced by this very thread.



Quite. As are nations and Nations (or nationstates). As are government and The State.



We need to preserve what nation? We need to preserve the geographic land mass? I was unaware that our landmass was being stolen and taken elsewhere. Need to preserve the monopoly on violence? For what? I have no need to oppress my fellow man against his will.



Stop with the "Der Fatherland" crap and just admit that you really really hate anyone who is different from you.



I can't understand how any rational, liberty minded human being could ever advocate for the destruction of individual liberty in the name of a piece of cloth and some dye.



'Murrica, FUCK YEAH! Being a rational self-owner, observant of natural rights and individual sovereignty hold no nationality.



Do you songwrite for Toby Keith? Your bloodlust and nationalistic thuggery literally make me want to vomit.

Your analysis of our need for laws and government is very distorted. There is a need for government, as much as you hate it. You would have no protection of your natural rights without government. I hate the government, but without it we would have no mechanism for protecting our rights. Stop referring to it as, "The body 'claiming a monopoly on violence'." What world are you living in? A society without laws is no society at all. The law is the collective organization of one's right to justice and due process. The law is established, as are borders. If you don't agree with our border, renounce your citizenship and go to mexico and fight for them. When nation states and laws are formed, they are recognized within certain boundaries and are enforced accordingly. Under your scenario, you would dissipate all borders along with all of the laws within them. There are borders both at the north and at the south of this country, which define people that live different lifestyles and under different bodies of laws. Laws and culture do not transcend borders, and they never have. When you cross the border of a neighboring country without being invited, you are an INVADER. When you cross onto your neighbors property, you are trespassing. This is no different. I'm not advocating any type of socialism or collectivized control over the means of production, so stop with the demagoguery.

There is nothing wrong with nationalism. If you don't like it, get out. What is a nation? A nation is an organic mixture of culture, lifestyle, social habits, faith, language, BORDERS, BLOOD, SOIL, and history. Blood spilled in the past which has allowed you to speak here on this forum without fear of persecution is the destination to which your loyalty is surely owed. If you don't like that, move out. Liberty does not transcend borders, and is earned by those who have spilled blood in the fight against tyranny. Resistance to tyranny is obedience to god. These are principles which are engrained into our declaration and constitution. This is what we are preserving; under your logic, we would ignore all history and aloofly expect people to cooperate non violently. You're living in fantasy land, and the rights which you claim are tied to "individual sovereignty" would be stolen from you without the laws, history and tradition that I seek to preserve. The constitution is the most sublime governing document ever contrived by human intelligence, and without it, and under some anarcho-capitalist utopia with no laws, you have no recourse to justice in the event of harm or malfeasance.
 
For 3+ years on our dimes.

I'm from Southern California. I see INS driving around my town all the time. Every chance I get I yell at them....hey drive up to Thriftys there are 40 of them up there. Drive up there and the ones that run are probably illegal. No, our agents spend their time down at the beach waiting for the stealth illegals paddling ashore at night even though we are 80 miles from the Mexican border. Our entire policy is insane. They do not even do interior enforcement in my area other than the San Onofre check point which is 70 miles from the Mexican border. So basically once they make it North of the San Onofre check point they are scott free and will never be asked to prove citizenship unless they are arrested.

Yes she was arrested but I am glad ICE even knew who she was. Our emergency rooms here are filled at all times with illegals and their brood of kids in tow uselessly using and never paying for hospital services here. They bring their kids to the emergency rooms for nothing more than a cold. It is sickening to watch. My daughter turned her ankle when she was 15. Thinking it was broken I took her to the ER. We waited six hours behind a bunch of Mexicans and for a 20 minute visit I was charged $1800 dollars which I paid. These people do not even have to give their real names and they just walk away from the bills. I later learned this brand new hospital ended up going BK and closed it's doors. These facilities just pass the cost of the mandated service for the illegals onto us and the insurance companies. We pay more if we are a cash customer and the insurance companies just charge you more in premiums. I was a cash customer so I negotiated my hospital bill down to the amount the contracted insurance rates. I paid the radiologist and the ER doctor their full rate.
 
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The definition of transnationalism:

Transnationalism is a social phenomenon and scholarly research agenda grown out of the heightened interconnectivity between people and the receding economic and social significance of boundaries among nation states.

The term was coined in the early 20th century by writer Randolph Bourne to describe a new way of thinking about relationships between cultures.

Transnationalism as an economic process involves the global reorganization of the production process, in which various stages of the production of any product can occur in various countries, typically with the aim of minimizing costs. Economic transnationalism, commonly known as Globalization was spurred in the latter half of the 20th century by the development of the internet and wireless communication, as well as the reduction in global transportation costs caused by containerization. Multinational corporations could be seen as a form of transnationalism, in that they seek to minimize costs, and hence maximize profits, by organizing their operations in the most efficient means possible irrespective of political boundaries.

Proponents of transnationalism seek to facilitate the flow of people, ideas, and goods among regions. They believe that it has increasing relevance with the rapid growth of globalization. They contend that it does not make sense to link specific nation-state boundaries with for instance migratory workforces, globalized corporations, global money flow, global information flow, and global scientific cooperation.

Transnationalism also refers to a recent shift in migration patterns since the 1980s (see transmigrant). Migration used to be a rather directed movement with a point of departure and a point of arrival. It is nowadays increasingly turning into an ongoing movement between two or more social spaces or locations. Facilitated by increased global transportation and telecommunication technologies, more and more migrants have developed strong transnational ties to more than one home country, blurring the congruence of social space and geographic space.

Diasporas, such as the overseas Chinese, are a historical precursor to modern transnationalism. However, unlike people with transnationalist lives, most diasporas have not been voluntary. The field of diaspora politics does consider modern diasporas as having the potential to be transnational political actors.

Examples of internationalism include United Nations, international treaties, international customs and tariffs regulations[clarification needed]. Examples of transnationalism include NGOs such as Greenpeace or Médecins sans Frontières, global financial activities, global science research, and global environmental concerns[clarification needed].


cabal, I have seen so many of you pro-open borders people on this forum and your hypocrisy is so disgusting it makes me want to cringe. You are a watered down version of a globalist and a 2nd rate clown. Please stop rationalizing your desire for open borders with irrational statements like this. You have been seductively cloaking your globalism under the guise of liberty for too long. k thx

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Your analysis of our need for laws and government is very distorted. There is a need for government, as much as you hate it. You would have no protection of your natural rights without government. I hate the government, but without it we would have no mechanism for protecting our rights. Stop referring to it as, "The body 'claiming a monopoly on violence'." What world are you living in? A society without laws is no society at all. The law is the collective organization of one's right to justice and due process. The law is established, as are borders. If you don't agree with our border, renounce your citizenship and go to mexico and fight for them. When nation states and laws are formed, they are recognized within certain boundaries and are enforced accordingly. Under your scenario, you would dissipate all borders along with all of the laws within them. There are borders both at the north and at the south of this country, which define people that live different lifestyles and under different bodies of laws. Laws and culture do not transcend borders, and they never have. When you cross the border of a neighboring country without being invited, you are an INVADER. When you cross onto your neighbors property, you are trespassing. This is no different. I'm not advocating any type of socialism or collectivized control over the means of production, so stop with the demagoguery.

There is nothing wrong with nationalism. If you don't like it, get out. What is a nation? A nation is an organic mixture of culture, lifestyle, social habits, faith, language, BORDERS, BLOOD, SOIL, and history. Blood spilled in the past which has allowed you to speak here on this forum without fear of persecution is the destination to which your loyalty is surely owed. If you don't like that, move out. Liberty does not transcend borders, and is earned by those who have spilled blood in the fight against tyranny. Resistance to tyranny is obedience to god. These are principles which are engrained into our declaration and constitution. This is what we are preserving; under your logic, we would ignore all history and aloofly expect people to cooperate non violently. You're living in fantasy land, and the rights which you claim are tied to "individual sovereignty" would be stolen from you without the laws, history and tradition that I seek to preserve. The constitution is the most sublime governing document ever contrived by human intelligence, and without it, and under some anarcho-capitalist utopia with no laws, you have no recourse to justice in the event of harm or malfeasance.

This has to be the biggest whoop I have ever seen on the forums.

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I'm from Southern California. I see INS driving around my town all the time. Every chance I get I yell at them....hey drive up to Thriftys there are 40 of them up there. Drive up there and the ones that run are probably illegal. No, our agents spend their time down at the beach waiting for the stealth illegals paddling ashore at night even though we are 80 miles from the Mexican border. Our entire policy is insane. They do not even do interior enforcement in my area other than the San Onofre check point which is 70 miles from the Mexican border. So basically once they make it North of the San Onofre check point they are scott free and will never be asked to prove citizenship unless they are arrested.

Yes she was arrested but I am glad ICE even knew who she was. Our emergency rooms here are filled at all times with illegals and their brood of kids in tow uselessly using and never paying for hospital services here. They bring their kids to the emergency rooms for nothing more than a cold. It is sickening to watch. My daughter turned her ankle when she was 15. Thinking it was broken I took her to the ER. We waited six hours behind a bunch of Mexicans and for a 20 minute visit I was charged $1800 dollars which I paid. These people do not even have to give their real names and they just walk away from the bills. I later learned this brand new hospital ended up going BK and closed it's doors. These facilities just pass the cost of the mandated service for the illegals onto us and the insurance companies. We pay more if we are a cash customer and the insurance companies just charge you more in premiums. I was a cash customer so I negotiated my hospital bill down to the amount the contracted insurance rates. I paid the radiologist and the ER doctor their full rate.
YEP, you know the stories ... The Phoenix area, as an example has closed 3 hospitals due to government mandates that could not be economically met.
Treating the illegal popupation is more harmful than most wish to admit, and in many more ways than just a few closed hospitals.

Schools are forced to cater to this group ... It's sad to see hand written spanish signs taped over manufactured signs, just so they sysytem can say we are accomidating them, rather than teaching them to read and write English.

So yea, yell at them ... It does no good, and it really doesn no good to have the Federal government revoking agreements and training they provided to local LE who want to help enforce the laws the Fed's say they are overwhelmed by.

SAD that some do not understand what National Sovergnity is.
 
Your analysis of our need for laws and government is very distorted. There is a need for government, as much as you hate it. You would have no protection of your natural rights without government. I hate the government, but without it we would have no mechanism for protecting our rights. Stop referring to it as, "The body 'claiming a monopoly on violence'." What world are you living in? A society without laws is no society at all. The law is the collective organization of one's right to justice and due process. The law is established, as are borders. If you don't agree with our border, renounce your citizenship and go to mexico and fight for them. When nation states and laws are formed, they are recognized within certain boundaries and are enforced accordingly. Under your scenario, you would dissipate all borders along with all of the laws within them. There are borders both at the north and at the south of this country, which define people that live different lifestyles and under different bodies of laws. Laws and culture do not transcend borders, and they never have. When you cross the border of a neighboring country without being invited, you are an INVADER. When you cross onto your neighbors property, you are trespassing. This is no different. I'm not advocating any type of socialism or collectivized control over the means of production, so stop with the demagoguery.

There is nothing wrong with nationalism. If you don't like it, get out. What is a nation? A nation is an organic mixture of culture, lifestyle, social habits, faith, language, BORDERS, BLOOD, SOIL, and history. Blood spilled in the past which has allowed you to speak here on this forum without fear of persecution is the destination to which your loyalty is surely owed. If you don't like that, move out. Liberty does not transcend borders, and is earned by those who have spilled blood in the fight against tyranny. Resistance to tyranny is obedience to god. These are principles which are engrained into our declaration and constitution. This is what we are preserving; under your logic, we would ignore all history and aloofly expect people to cooperate non violently. You're living in fantasy land, and the rights which you claim are tied to "individual sovereignty" would be stolen from you without the laws, history and tradition that I seek to preserve. The constitution is the most sublime governing document ever contrived by human intelligence, and without it, and under some anarcho-capitalist utopia with no laws, you have no recourse to justice in the event of harm or malfeasance.
I'm giving you REP for this also ... IMO, Transnationalism is liberal speak for a misguided attack on National Sovergnity, and makes people like William Ayers proud.
 
Glad you can use Google.

Do you support Ron's idea of bringing the troops home, and putting them on our border to protect this nations sovergnity, or are you done with him because he supports a strong defensive posture, and wants people to get in line and use our current system of laws ?
Just curious how selective you are with the system of laws ... I await your answer.
 
All the fawning by the lonely hearts aside, I have two questions:

Did she break the law? Yes - she got a DUI.

Based upon HER status as a citizen, is that enough to deport her? Yes again.

This is an unfortunate situation all round, but if we, as a movement, demand that the government and our leaders in government respect the rule of law, then we must similarly respect the rule of law in these situations, even if they are completely fucked up. This is the reason we get liberty candidates into positions within the government, so that these laws can be reviewed, changed, and even abolished if necessary. But in order to be viewed authentic, we must bear authenticity.
 
Deport the likes of Obama... then we'll figure out what to do with sane immigrants.
 
All the fawning by the lonely hearts aside, I have two questions:

Did she break the law? Yes - she got a DUI.

Based upon HER status as a citizen, is that enough to deport her? Yes again.

This is an unfortunate situation all round, but if we, as a movement, demand that the government and our leaders in government respect the rule of law, then we must similarly respect the rule of law in these situations, even if they are completely fucked up. This is the reason we get liberty candidates into positions within the government, so that these laws can be reviewed, changed, and even abolished if necessary. But in order to be viewed authentic, we must bear authenticity.
Very true, and glaringly obvious who actually understand and supports the rule of law, and who just wants a few things to swing in their favor.
 
And that would mean booting this girls butt to the back of the line ... YES ?

Do you enjoy seeing people suffer?

What harm is she doing you or anybody else by being here?

Ron Paul wants to take away the incentives for people to come leech off the system. If we didn't have a system to leech off of, then anybody who came here would be here to work and they would provide benefits to the economy. In fact, there are plenty of studies that show that illegal immigrants pay more taxes than they collect in benefits and that they provide an overall benefit to the economy. I'd prefer to play in a more fair system with the correct incentives, but I have no desire to see other people suffer, especially when they were playing by the rules.
 
Do you enjoy seeing people suffer?

What harm is she doing you or anybody else by being here?

Ron Paul wants to take away the incentives for people to come leech off the system. If we didn't have a system to leech off of, then anybody who came here would be here to work and they would provide benefits to the economy. In fact, there are plenty of studies that show that illegal immigrants pay more taxes than they collect in benefits and that they provide an overall benefit to the economy. I'd prefer to play in a more fair system with the correct incentives, but I have no desire to see other people suffer, especially when they were playing by the rules.
She overstayed a visitor VISA to the tune of +3 years.

Ignore the law at your own peril ... The key items of contention are designed to protect your personal sovergnity and the Sovergnity of this nation.

If you want to give that up, go right ahead ... But it does make me wonder about you and your intentions.

She did not follow the rules.
 
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I'll say what I always say: when someone can show me where in the US constitution the federal government is given the power to define citizenship or the power to deport people, I'll agree to it.
Also, an explanation as to how this isn't singling out a class of people for special punishment would be nice.

Oh yeah, she is hot.

Section 5 of the 14th Amendment authorizes the Federal government to pass legislation to uphold Section 1 of the same amendment, which defines a citizen. I don't think its to hard to argue that Section 5 alone gives the government power to enforce who does and doesn't become a citizen and what that punishment is to be for those who are here and not citizens. The question is does exportation fit the idea of "appropriate legislation". I would say its more appropriate than fines or jail time. I'd rather be free from jail in Mexico then sitting in a US jail cell for 20 years.
 
Do you enjoy seeing people suffer?

What harm is she doing you or anybody else by being here?

Ron Paul wants to take away the incentives for people to come leech off the system. If we didn't have a system to leech off of, then anybody who came here would be here to work and they would provide benefits to the economy. In fact, there are plenty of studies that show that illegal immigrants pay more taxes than they collect in benefits and that they provide an overall benefit to the economy. I'd prefer to play in a more fair system with the correct incentives, but I have no desire to see other people suffer, especially when they were playing by the rules.

But if she over stayed her visa then she isn't "playing by the rules." And no, of course no one WANTS people to suffer. But it happens sometimes when you get punished for breaking the law.
 
Section 5 of the 14th Amendment authorizes the Federal government to pass legislation to uphold Section 1 of the same amendment, which defines a citizen. I don't think its to hard to argue that Section 5 alone gives the government power to enforce who does and doesn't become a citizen and what that punishment is to be for those who are here and not citizens. The question is does exportation fit the idea of "appropriate legislation". I would say its more appropriate than fines or jail time. I'd rather be free from jail in Mexico then sitting in a US jail cell for 20 years.
And I'd rather pay for that ticket to somewhere else, than pay for 20 years of jail time.
 
She escaped from her master and caused him economic harm.

Ignore the law at your own peril ... The key items of contention are designed to protect your personal sovergnity and the Sovergnity of this nation.

If you want to give that up, go right ahead ... But it does make me wonder about you and your intentions.

She did not follow the rules.

Yeah dude! Way to hold up the rule of men and describe it as the rule of law!

Also, Ron opposes putting troops on the border. He said it in multiple debates, and stated multiple times this cycle that open borders is the ideal that we should work towards.
 
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